[VS] MS Kakashi vs Obito

[KidGamer65]

I also love how you are basing Kakashi shitting on Obito in CQC on a fight where:

-Kakashi had just gotten Kurama's chakra, so he was rejuvenated
-Obito had used a buttload of his chakra during this war on Katon, and mainly controlling the Jinchuuriki and then fights against Naruto's crew with no break.
-They were in the Kamui dimension.
-And most of all, Obito's main goal was to have the seal destroyed so he could become the Jin. The VIZ translation is irrelevant and doesn't disprove this point as Obito's goal is still made clear. Obito wanted the seal destroyed so he could become the Jin. If he fought with the intention of defeating Kakashi that'd go against his main goal. So Obito let Kakashi win.

As TRE MERCER said, Obito still has Mokuton to an extent, Giant Shuriken for CQC and that can be propelled out of his eye fast enough to cut B's tentacles, and Giant Kunai, and Juubi Sized Katon which can be used at a distance, or from far away, or he can use Kamui with it to extend the range and make it more wide in a spiral form.

:lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I also love how you are basing Kakashi shitting on Obito in CQC on a fight where:

-Kakashi had just gotten Kurama's chakra, so he was rejuvenated
-Obito had used a buttload of his chakra during this war on Katon, and mainly controlling the Jinchuuriki and then fights against Naruto's crew with no break.
-They were in the Kamui dimension.
-And most of all, Obito's main goal was to have the seal destroyed so he could become the Jin. The VIZ translation is irrelevant and doesn't disprove this point as Obito's goal is still made clear. Obito wanted the seal destroyed so he could become the Jin. If he fought with the intention of defeating Kakashi that'd go against his main goal. So Obito let Kakashi win.

As TRE MERCER said, Obito still has Mokuton to an extent, Giant Shuriken for CQC and that can be propelled out of his eye fast enough to cut B's tentacles, and Giant Kunai, and Juubi Sized Katon which can be used at a distance, or from far away, or he can use Kamui with it to extend the range and make it more wide in a spiral form.

:lol

im pretty sure the plan required kamui to start after the wall went up. It was to block madara's los so he wouldn't interrupt.

 

[EZQ]

Lol KG you actually said in another thread no more than 5 days ago that Kakashi trashes Obito in base skills. I'm not even going to keep arguing this since your argument is pure garbage, and you keep changing your view on things to prove your point, you even reached to quote Mercer's posts, that's pure garbage

 

[Unorthodox]

Y'all funny lol this tread to funny

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol KG you actually said in another thread no more than 5 days ago that Kakashi trashes Obito in base skills. I'm not even going to keep arguing this since your argument is pure garbage, and you keep changing your view on things to prove your point, you even reached to quote Mercer's posts, that's pure garbage

Pure garbage? You just got owned admit defeat and move on.

 

[EZQ]

Pure garbage? You just got owned admit defeat and move on.

I literally don't want to quote it back because it's really, really bad

 

[TRE MERCER]

I literally don't want to quote it back because it's really, really bad

Yet you liked my post saying how badly i shitted on your arguments? What so bad is that Kakashi beats Obito just because. I noticed you also didn't respond back to KG was his post that bad? Lol it wasn't you just got owned very badly and instead of just straight up admitting that your going with the im not going to reply because your post is so bad strategy. If you have nothing to contribute to the actual debate stop posting.

 

[KidGamer65]

im pretty sure the plan required kamui to start after the wall went up. It was to block madara's los so he wouldn't interrupt.

Wrong thread man. :lol

Lol KG you actually said in another thread no more than 5 days ago that Kakashi trashes Obito in base skills. I'm not even going to keep arguing this since your argument is pure garbage, and you keep changing your view on things to prove your point, you even reached to quote Mercer's posts, that's pure garbage

Base skills=/=Ninjutsu, Kamui, etc.

:lol This isn't a hand to hand fight buddy, so cut the crap.

The only garbage argument here is yours. You keep *****ing about me changing my argument when it comes to this topic in reality I haven't. You are just salty that I don't agree with your nonsense and that I've called it out. Pretty much what multiple people in your position have cried about before. A

Even if I did change my argument, the fact that you can't invalidate it doesn't change so stop crying already. And TRE MERCER's post is a million times more solid than anything you've posted in this thread tbh. But what did I expect? You've been a Kakashi fanboy from the jump so I can't expect you to debate logically when it comes to him.

 

[EZQ]

Wrong thread man. :lol



Base skills=/=Ninjutsu, Kamui, etc.

:lol This isn't a hand to hand fight buddy, so cut the crap.

The only garbage argument here is yours. You keep *****ing about me changing my argument when it comes to this topic in reality I haven't. You are just salty that I don't agree with your nonsense and that I've called it out. Pretty much what multiple people in your position have cried about before. A

Even if I did change my argument, the fact that you can't invalidate it doesn't change so stop crying already. And TRE MERCER's post is a million times more solid than anything you've posted in this thread tbh. But what did I expect? You've been a Kakashi fanboy from the jump so I can't expect you to debate logically when it comes to him.

Lmao, literally your only argument from the start is non existant, and at some point you ssaid something that "Kakashi knows where Obito is but Naruto can sense (as it would matter since he can't sense Obito if he's in the pocket dimension)" that's where i dropped this. Not being able to disprove? How? Lmao, you're literally only posting it didn't happen so it's not possible, me just giving up on trying to argue this with you doesn't mean not able to disprove, when you are the one with no explanation on why is not possible, since your only explanation is that they didn't do it.

Yet you liked my post saying how badly i shitted on your arguments? What so bad is that Kakashi beats Obito just because. I noticed you also didn't respond back to KG was his post that bad? Lol it wasn't you just got owned very badly and instead of just straight up admitting that your going with the im not going to reply because your post is so bad strategy. If you have nothing to contribute to the actual debate stop posting.

I stopped arguing with KG at some point because i already explained, and with you i didn't even want to start.. And what about me liking your post? I found it funny that you tought i was conceding so i liked it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao, literally your only argument from the start is non existant, and at some point you ssaid something that "Kakashi knows where Obito is but Naruto can sense (as it would matter since he can't sense Obito if he's in the pocket dimension)" that's where i dropped this. Not being able to disprove? How? Lmao, you're literally only posting it didn't happen so it's not possible, me just giving up on trying to argue this with you doesn't mean not able to disprove, when you are the one with no explanation on why is not possible, since your only explanation is that they didn't do it.

EZQ, just stop already. This is pathetic. Naruto and Kakashi needed an extra step to do what they did, so they can't do it without said step. End of story. You are wrong.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I stopped arguing with KG at some point because i already explained, and with you i didn't even want to start.. And what about me liking your post? I found it funny that you tought i was conceding so i liked it.

You are the one who replied to me just remember that. So don't give me that i think your post is terrible so im not replyng when you started do us both a favor next time and don't reply to me.

 

[EZQ]

EZQ, just stop already. This is pathetic. Naruto and Kakashi needed an extra step to do what they did, so they can't do it without said step. End of story. You are wrong.

Then, how, how does Kakashi

1-Knowing where Obito is gonna phase
2-Thus staying close to that location

Doesn't work? If you are only going to say that they didn't do it, cheers. If you are actually going to explain something go ahead.

Edit: I assume you already know Naruto can't sense Obito from separate dimensions, so he only realizes Obito's phasing position once he is already phasing, he can't predict it with sensing

 

[KidGamer65]

Then, how, how does Kakashi

1-Knowing where Obito is gonna phase
2-Thus staying close to that location

Doesn't work? If you are only going to say that they didn't do it, cheers. If you are actually going to explain something go ahead.

Edit: I assume you already know Naruto can't sense Obito from separate dimensions, so he only realizes Obito's phasing position once he is already phasing, he can't predict it with sensing

READ. THIS. BEFORE. YOU. REPLY.

1. Knowing where Obito is going to phase is IRRELEVANT. He can attack Obito AFTER he's phased.

2. Staying close? I'll repeat this one more time. The entire battle between Naruto and Obito and Kakashi was close range. If Naruto is in the other dimension, he sees Obito appear and then hits Obito at that moment.

What's funny is that this is my 3rd time now stating these two things, but of course you were too busy fanboying and complaining about me switching up lol) to read. Which is why you are under the foolish impression that my entire argument can be boiled down to "They didn't do it so it's not possible". :lol

 

[EZQ]

READ. THIS. BEFORE. YOU. REPLY.

1. Knowing where Obito is going to phase is IRRELEVANT. He can attack Obito AFTER he's phased.

2. Staying close? I'll repeat this one more time. The entire battle between Naruto and Obito and Kakashi was close range. If Naruto is in the other dimension, he sees Obito appear and then hits Obito at that moment.

What's funny is that this is my 3rd time now stating these two things, but of course you were too busy fanboying and complaining about me switching up lol) to read. Which is why you are under the foolish impression that my entire argument can be boiled down to "They didn't do it so it's not possible". :lol

The bold is entirely true, because this two things you stated just explain that Naruto not being able to sense Obito still works to actually hit him because the fight is close range, Obito phases close to where Naruto was warped.

But then i ask you, why couldn't Kakashi alone do the same? Let me guess your answer (they didn't do it so it's not possible, extra step, bla bla) despite having mentioned reasons already like Kakashi not being able to make a clone to save chakra, or the fact that BM Naruto >>>>>> Kakashi so sending Naruto was, oh hell, a lot more convenient.

"Extra step" sending a clone of Naruto instead a clone of Kakashi who's eye started to bleed and was almost passing out in the ground after they did it, but hey, i guess the only reason they didn't do it is because they can't

So, if there's actually an explanation, go ahead. Because not even Tre Mercer, the other guy who is arguing for Obito, mentioned this, he's just arguint that even without phasing Obito wins, which is a different argument

 

[KidGamer65]

The bold is entirely true, because this two things you stated just explain that Naruto not being able to sense Obito still works to actually hit him because the fight is close range, Obito phases close to where Naruto was warped.

But then i ask you, why couldn't Kakashi alone do the same? Let me guess your answer (they didn't do it so it's not possible, extra step, bla bla) despite having mentioned reasons already like Kakashi not being able to make a clone to save chakra, or the fact that BM Naruto >>>>>> Kakashi so sending Naruto was, oh hell, a lot more convenient.

"Extra step" sending a clone of Naruto instead a clone of Kakashi who's eye started to bleed and was almost passing out in the ground after they did it, but hey, i guess the only reason they didn't do it is because they can't

So, if there's actually an explanation, go ahead. Because not even Tre Mercer, the other guy who is arguing for Obito, mentioned this, he's just arguint that even without phasing Obito wins, which is a different argument

You really need to learn to accept what the Manga has shown at face value instead of making dum excuses like this. Nothing you mentioned in the bold is relevant to any claims being made here. No one said that Kakashi can't send himself to the other dimension like the bold is suggesting. The issue is that he needs to do it in the same area Obito phased in as shown in the Manga.


The second bold also shows that again, your fanboyism is preventing you from reading my posts. :lol Again, pathetic behavior coming from you. I'll repeat myself again. The extra step is making sure that they warp Naruto's clone in the same location they make Obito phase in. That is the extra step. Not this "sending naruto's clone instead of kakashi's clone" BS you are stating in this post.

Spoiler

Your fiction:

1. Kakashi makes clone.
2. Warps it to Kamui land.
3. Now no matter where Obito phases he gets killed.

Spoiler

What the Manga showed was necessary.

1. Kakashi or Naruto makes a clone.
2. Warps it to Kamui land.
3. Makes Obito phase in that same location (Extra Step)
4. Now they can hit Obito.

If Kakashi could warp Naruto or a clone of himself wherever he wanted and still be able to hit Obito then they wouldn't have needed to properly time Kamui when they obliterated Obito's mask. He would've been able to safely warp Naruto's clone away and then Naruto would've fired Bijuu Dama and then

Your argument is akin to me saying "Even though I need 4 gallons of water to sustain the life of my plan, 2.4 would work too" or "Even though it takes 4 days to something, someone else would be able to do it in 1 day because I said so".


:lol

 

[KidGamer65]

You are basically arguing that Naruto and Kakashi went through all that trouble for shits and giggles.

 

[EZQ]

-.

The extra step i put "sending Naruto's clone" was to show my idea of that step being needed because it's Naruto's clone and not Kakashi's. I knew what you meant with extra step.


So actually, the point where you disagree is, Kakashi's clone does not know where Obito wil spawn. Because, just answer this,

-Kakashi is in dimension A
-Kakashi's clone in dimension B

Kakashi makes Obito phase in whatever location you like, far away from where Kakashi warped his clone. Then, why doesn't Kakashi's clone kill him? His clone doesn't make it in time or..? I know your answer is that the manga shows otherwise, but i genuinelly (idk if it's speled like that) want to know if you have another answer, like really, this is a serious question.

You are basically arguing that Naruto and Kakashi went through all that trouble for shits and giggles.

No sherlock. Read what i said, that you bolded, but missreplied:

despite having mentioned reasons already like Kakashi not being able to make a clone to save chakra, or the fact that BM Naruto >>>>>> Kakashi so sending Naruto was, oh hell, a lot more convenient.

Kakashi who's eye started to bleed and was almost passing out in the ground after they did it, but hey, i guess the only reason they didn't do it is because they can't

There are reasons for not having done it. Like not wanting to split his chakra since Kakashi could barely make one warp and that's it, game over, so he making a clone and then killing Obito on the other dimension is out of the question with his reserves, or just the simple fact that sending Naruto's clone was a lot more effective since Naruto >>>> Kakashi and Obito not having knowledge on the "plan" makes it easy to warp Naruto in the exact same location where Obito wil phase

 

[~Ethereal~]

Obito. XD

 

[KidGamer65]

The extra step i put "sending Naruto's clone" was to show my idea of that step being needed because it's Naruto's clone and not Kakashi's. I knew what you meant with extra step.


So actually, the point where you disagree is, Kakashi's clone does not know where Obito wil spawn. Because, just answer this,

-Kakashi is in dimension A
-Kakashi's clone in dimension B

Kakashi makes Obito phase in whatever location you like, far away from where Kakashi warped his clone. Then, why doesn't Kakashi's clone kill him? His clone doesn't make it in time or..? I know your answer is that the manga shows otherwise, but i genuinelly (idk if it's speled like that) want to know if you have another answer, like really, this is a serious question.

Then mentioning that is irrelevant. Smh. Anyway:

And I already answered this. If what you were saying is possible why did Kakashi and Naruto basically do this+An extra step. Makes no sense.


None of your reasons below even apply to the actual argument.

There are reasons for not having done it. Like not wanting to split his chakra since Kakashi could barely make one warp and that's it, game over, so he making a clone and then killing Obito on the other dimension is out of the question with his reserves,

Irrelevant. :lol Read my post. How is this relevant to anything I'm saying? Whether or not Kakashi can make a clone himself and do it isn't the question here so mentioning this was pointless.

or just the simple fact that sending Naruto's clone was a lot more effective since Naruto >>>> Kakashi and Obito not having knowledge on the "plan" makes it easy to warp Naruto in the exact same location where Obito wil phase

:lol This is how I know for a fact you aren't reading anything I'm typing.

If Kakashi could warp Naruto or a clone of himself wherever he wanted and still be able to hit Obito then they wouldn't have needed to properly time Kamui when they obliterated Obito's mask. He would've been able to safely warp Naruto's clone away and then Naruto would've fired Bijuu Dama and then

The extra step is making sure that they warp Naruto's clone in the same location they make Obito phase in. That is the extra step. Not this "sending naruto's clone instead of kakashi's clone" BS you are stating in this post.

Who is being sent is irrelevant to this argument. READ MY POST BEFORE YOU REPLY AGAIN. If you would stop typing and start reading this argument would've been over 3 posts ago, because you obviously haven't understood a word I'm saying up until now.

 

[EZQ]

Then mentioning that is irrelevant. Smh. Anyway:

And I already answered this. If what you were saying is possible why did Kakashi and Naruto basically do this+An extra step. Makes no sense.


None of your reasons below even apply to the actual argument.




Irrelevant. :lol Read my post. How is this relevant to anything I'm saying? Whether or not Kakashi can make a clone himself and do it isn't the question here so mentioning this was pointless.




:lol This is how I know for a fact you aren't reading anything I'm typing.






Who is being sent is irrelevant to this argument. READ MY POST BEFORE YOU REPLY AGAIN. If you would stop typing and start reading this argument would've been over 3 posts ago, because you obviously haven't understood a word I'm saying up until now.

welp.. that makes it for me, lmao.

I'm literally arguing, that Kakashi's clone doesn't need the "extra step" because he knows where Obito will spawn, while Naruto's clone does need it. Thats MY argument, and you are not countering it, you're saying it's irrelevant.

And the reason NARUTO DOES NEED IT and KAKASHI DOESN'T is because KAKASHI KNOWS WHERE OBITO WILL SPAWN. Why didn't they do it like that? Again: "There are reasons for not having done it. Like not wanting to split his chakra since Kakashi could barely make one warp and that's it, game over, so he making a clone and then killing Obito on the other dimension is out of the question with his reserves,......."

What i'm saying:

-Kakashi makes a clone, and sends it to the kamui dimention. They continue to fight and even if Obito phases far away from the location the clone was warped, Kakashi, knowing where Obito was from the other dimension, moved accordingly

-In the manga, Kakashi's chakra levels were low, so he couldn't make a clone+kamui+the clone use whathever jutsu to kill Obito


What you're saying:

-It's irrelevant whoever gets warped

-They didn't do it so it's impossible

-Read again

-Irrelevant