waltz, tre mercer and thesags456 putting in that work how long do you think kg will get banned for this time lol.
on a related note that SS scan really shows Kishi f**ks up with scaling.
So when the author makes out Bijudama destroying mountains to be a big deal, you think he choses to use the smallest mountains possible? You think he chooses the smallest mountains when he makes a big deal out of Perfect Susano'o chopping mountains?
Sure mokujin is the same size of PS, no one is arguing against that. However the panel which shows Kurama and SS before they attack each other shows their respective sizes as the focus of that panel is Kurama and SS, not Mokujin and SS.
That isn't relevant since my edit was scaled to the panel I brought it on.
Unless you give me a reason why it doesn't gain double its height from standing up, then there's no reason to believe that Mokujin wouldn't gain double its height from standing up just like humans gain double their height from standing up. The average human has a sitting height of slightly more than half of their standing height. What reason do you have that mokujin would be any different?
Kurama and the Mokujin are the same size yet Kurama can fit in Shinsuusenju's hand, which is about the same size as it's head. The Mokujin obviously gains height, but not enough for it to look significantly different if it were to stand up on Shinsuusenju's head.
In some scans, the wings add 1/4 of PS's height, in other scans,
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In the particular scan in question, PS's wings make up close to a third of its height as the point where the wings meet in the middle (which would be PS's head) is
This is the most consistent depiction of the wings.
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Though it doesn't matter since in my edit, the body of Perfect Susano'o is slightly bigger than Shinsuusenju's head, let alone the wing height.
My scan clearly shows the meteors are much longer than the shinjuu stump but i guess we could assume the one that sasuke cut in half wasn't a big one.
Your scans show the meteor as more than 2 times the width of the shinjuu stump. The shinjuu stump is
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so that would make the meteor as long as the BD crater. Your scan of the shinjuu doesn't mean anything since it doesn't show where the shinjuu was cut which cannot be ignored since the width of the tree changes based on how far up you are.
When we see the stump compared to the crater up close, it is nowhere near even half the width of the crater.
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The trunk was cut at the bottom and no the width doesn't vary in that area.
It didn't since we see that there are hardly any rocks in between KN6 and the meteor while the explosion occurs, yet when KN6 reaches the meteor, it's on a flat surface which wouldn't be true if the meteor just lost a mountain-sized amount of rock in that area.
It merely pulled in more debris before kn6 got there. Moot point since the surface clearly isn't flat when we see Bijudama explode.
Why does the fight have to be shown in the manga? If madara's swings are generating enough power to cleave meteors that are even half the size of the crater and the width of the shinjuu in half, there's no way that no resulting destruction could possibly not be shown. Not only that, we do see parts of the fight, such as the dust and shockwaves that are produced from the fight, yet none of it gets even close to reaching the edge of the crater. The animation means nothing since it's filler if not in the manga.
No destruction was shown because the author didn't show their fight. No you don't see any shockwaves because you don't see Perfect Susano'o swinging it's sword.
Saying that Perfect Susano'o can't reach the edge of the crater from the spot that it was in when it's slash went through an entire mountain range is nonsense. All you're doing is denying it's already shown feats based on pointless reaching.
Madara's feat during the battle with the Gokage is enough to say that his slash would traverse the vast majority of that crater.
PS blades don't hold the power of the slashes, PS swinging the blades is what causes it. The blades swing with such little force when they are attached to bijuudamas that they don't even generate shockwaves in the slightest. So this is absolutely not bias, if Madara's PS is as strong as Sasuke's, then he'd be weakening the forces of his strikes so much that his blades wouldn't even be making shockwaves which would make them attached to bijuudamas far less powerful than him swinging them as a bijuudama merely vaporizes mountain while Sasuke's blades cut through multimountainrange meteors of condensed rock.
This is a complete reach. That would be like me claiming that Madara's Susano'o produces no shockwave since one didn't form when Hashirama caught his blade, even though he completed a full swing.
The Bladed Bijudama aren't moving with less force. The motion they're making simply doesn't suffice to produce a shockwave. They are spinning at a significantly greater speed than Susano'o can swing.
Madara's shockwave being able to replicate Sasuke's feat doesn't mean that it can cut through Shinsuusenju, so this is moot.
You seem to be using the logic of "the amount of slashes it takes is proportional to the size of what's being hit" even though that doesn't take the objects durability into account and is directly contradicted by Kurama taking Sasuke's slashes.
Your scan doesn't show Madara's shockwaves going through the same mass of material, try again. Yes it has to be specifically shown because if you're going to claim his shockwaves are as strong as Sasuke you're going to have to prove that they equal are via feats or you have no argument.
This is Arguing from ignorance.
Madara's shockwaves don't need to be shown going through the same mass. He has already shown to produce the same energy with his swing, so we know that he would be able to do it.
So because he's only turned controlled targets into cores, he therefore cannot turn an uncontrolled target into a core because it's never been shown? Here, read it again:
Fallacy: Argument from Ignorance
(argumentum ad ignorantiam)
Definition 2:
Conversely, such an argument may assume that since something has not been proven true, it is therefore false. (This is a special case of a false dilemma, since it assumes that all propositions must either be known to be true or known to be false.)
Pretending that my argument is composed of fallacies doesn't give merit to your own.
It is a fact that Sasuke has only turned controlled targets into cores. If you're saying that he can do this to anybody at anytime, I would like proof.
That isn't Arguing from ignorance. You're making the claim, you can't back it up as usual, now your spewing your usual nonsense.
I never mentioned the Mokujin or it's depiction. These are the original scans that are shown in the Manga and they're inconsistent because they're not drawn to a scale.
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Kurama can't be the same size of Shin-Shuusenju's main body and yet be small enough to fit in it's palm at the same time.
No, Kurama isn't the same size as it's body. It's obvious that the panel of Shinsuusenju and Kurama isn't drawn to scale, otherwise Kurama wouldn't be able to fit in it's hand.
Kurama being the size of Shinsuusenju's hand is more consistently depicted than Kurama being nearly as big as Shinsuusenju's body.
this is silly. he amenod and ps went with him because its a jutsu from his rinnegan thus the chakra to knead it would always come from him and his chakra and not any bijjus chakra that is in soosano not sasuke himself. there is no connection between the two.
this is silly. he amenod and ps went with him because its a jutsu from his rinnegan thus the chakra to knead it would always come from him and his chakra and not any bijjus chakra that is in soosano not sasuke himself. there is no connection between the two.
Lol Sasuke didn't use ameno on PS like he did with Madara .he used ameno through PS .different thing .just like how PS uses chidori and BM avatar uses Rasengan .
No, Sasuke used PS as the medium for Chidori simply because Chidori benefited from the extra amount of striking power that his Perfect Susano'o provided as well as the benefit from being able to apply more chakra through PS, but it doesn't utilize Susano'o chakra.
Since he is using is Rinnegan jutsu via Rinnegan that requires his chakra.It is always going to be used by user not susanoo itself
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and even going by ur post if he spams both it actually means he can use ameno with PS since he used chidori with though less potent than BPS[if he used chakra of bijuus which he nvr absorbed :lol]
Susano is an eye power .it is connected to his eyes including Rinnegan .he doesn't need to consume chakra himself if he making susano use a rinnegan ability ,only the chakra required to control PS .
Him spamming both jutsu doesn't mean they cost equal amount of chakra .he uses it as much or more because it is more effective .he only used fireball once so by your logic it costs more chakra than PS :lol
this is silly. he amenod and ps went with him because its a jutsu from his rinnegan thus the chakra to knead it would always come from him and his chakra and not any bijjus chakra that is in soosano not sasuke himself. there is no connection between the two.
The range says it all .ameno range from PS presective is much wider than Sasuke's range becuz susano is much bigger .susano is an eye power and it is connected to his eyes .
No, Sasuke used PS as the medium for Chidori simply because Chidori benefited from the extra amount of striking power that his Perfect Susano'o provided as well as the benefit from being able to apply more chakra through PS, but it doesn't utilize Susano'o chakra.
That is one possible explanation .the other is Sasuke using susano chakra .if there is more than one option ,then I guess we should stick with feats until shown otherwise .
Lol if I am stupid then you must be dumb ass retard to call me stupid for stating the obvious .the bigger the object is ,the more chakra it requires to warp .that was shown with both kamui and FTG .
This is Arguing from ignorance.
Madara's shockwaves don't need to be shown going through the same mass. He has already shown to produce the same energy with his swing, so we know that he would be able to do it.
I'm not arguing from ignorance because I never said Madara not showing the feat of his shockwaves going through the same mass must mean he can't. I said for a third time: I have proof that Sasuke's sword swipes have gone through a greater mass of material than Madara's, you however who are the one claiming that Madara's swipes can do the same have presented nothing more than biased speculation. Where is your proof that he can do the same? If you don't have any proof, then you don't have any argument and you can't prove your claim that Madara is capable of doing the same to be true.
You posted a scan of the resulting force of Naruto's and Sasuke's Attacks canceling out, that is the shockwave; making explosions on the surface of water, that has nothing to do with Madara Uchiha or his capabilities. Don't even try to say that because the resultant force shockwaves caused by Naruto and Sasuke's attacks canceling out were around the height of the mountain's in the back ground means that Sasuke's individual attacks is only as strong as that shockwave and that because the water was depicted to be roughly the height of a mountain that it's the same as Madara's PS sword swings because not only would that show how incompetent you are where physics is concerned but that your reason and logic is really, garbage. None of that proves that Madara's slashes are the very same as Sasuke's so try again, Where is the proof?
Pretending that my argument is composed of fallacies doesn't give merit to your own.
It is a fact that Sasuke has only turned controlled targets into cores. If you're saying that he can do this to anybody at anytime, I would like proof.
That isn't Arguing from ignorance. You're making the claim, you can't back it up as usual, now your spewing your usual nonsense.
Your arguments are composed of Fallacies and are unsupported.
1) You claim Sasuke needs to have the target under control because he's only ever been shown to have CT'd a controlled object (an argument from ignorance), despite neither the Databook's description of how the Jutsu works denoting this nor the Manga stating or implying such a thing but contrarily showed Sasuke performing the Jutsu independently.
2) You claim Madara can perfom's Sasuke's level of feats based on a scan showing the resultant force of Naruto and Sasuke's attacks clashing and canceling out each other, forming explosion's on water roughly the height of a mountain with 0 proof that they were using their most powerful physical attacks and ignoring the fact that majority of the force form their individual physical attacks would have been satisfied by each other and thus the collision formed a shock wave and those of us who know anything about physics, the resultant force here is less than the actual force of each of the colliding forces.
No, Kurama isn't the same size as it's body. It's obvious that the panel of Shinsuusenju and Kurama isn't drawn to scale, otherwise Kurama wouldn't be able to fit in it's hand.
Kurama being the size of Shinsuusenju's hand is more consistently depicted than Kurama being nearly as big as Shinsuusenju's body.
I accept you submitting to my point that Kishimoto's drawings aren't consistently drawn to scale yet you're cutting and pasting and resizing portions of scan segments completely disregarding the angle of the image it's being pasted onto and scale inconsistencies as well as the inaccuracies brought forward by resizing in paint.exe and think you're correct because he resized it to compliment another scan of the kyuubi being in SS's palm because your horrendous edits = how Kishimoto would actually draw such a scan right? Because you know that's the consistency that would be maintained if Kishimoto actually drew the scan because you're Kishimoto, Right?
Guuuuuuuys, I'd like to remind you all that you're supposed to be arguing over how hard RG Sasuke rapes this duo, and not the size of meteors or how many Kuramas it takes to fill a SS sized glass.
Even though that would've made maths exams a thousand times more interesting.
Deducing the Size difference between Buddha's main body and Kuarma using the scan of Buddha holding Kuarma with its hand is much more accurate than any other scan .actually any other scan, that contradicts the scan of Buddha holding kuarma, isnt drawn to scale accurately and wasnt meant to be taken this way ,it was just to give us the impression that Budhha dwarfs Kuarma.Buddha's hand being big enough to hold Kuarma is inevitable fact .
I'm not arguing from ignorance because I never said Madara not showing the feat of his shockwaves going through the same mass must mean he can't. I said for a third time: I have proof that Sasuke's sword swipes have gone through a greater mass of material than Madara's, you however who are the one claiming that Madara's swipes can do the same have presented nothing more than biased speculation. Where is your proof that he can do the same? If you don't have any proof, then you don't have any argument and you can't prove your claim that Madara is capable of doing the same to be true.
You posted a scan of the resulting force of Naruto's and Sasuke's Attacks canceling out, that is the shockwave; making explosions on the surface of water, that has nothing to do with Madara Uchiha or his capabilities. Don't even try to say that because the resultant force shockwaves caused by Naruto and Sasuke's attacks canceling out were around the height of the mountain's in the back ground means that Sasuke's individual attacks is only as strong as that shockwave and that because the water was depicted to be roughly the height of a mountain that it's the same as Madara's PS sword swings because not only would that show how incompetent you are where physics is concerned but that your reason and logic is really, garbage. None of that proves that Madara's slashes are the very same as Sasuke's so try again, Where is the proof?
I already posted the panel of Sasuke's shockwaves producing mere mountain level damage. Your physics example is nonsense as usual.
The force of 2 equal objects hitting each other at the same speed is exactly the same as hitting a wall to a dead-stop. The resultant force is the exactly the same, not less.
You claim I know nothing about physics yet post this garbage. Stop with the pitiful reaching. You don't have an argument.
Your arguments are composed of Fallacies and are unsupported.
1) You claim Sasuke needs to have the target under control because he's only ever been shown to have CT'd a controlled object (an argument from ignorance), despite neither the Databook's description of how the Jutsu works denoting this nor the Manga stating or implying such a thing but contrarily showed Sasuke performing the Jutsu independently.
2) You claim Madara can perfom's Sasuke's level of feats based on a scan showing the resultant force of Naruto and Sasuke's attacks clashing and canceling out each other, forming explosion's on water roughly the height of a mountain with 0 proof that they were using their most powerful physical attacks and ignoring the fact that majority of the force form their individual physical attacks would have been satisfied by each other and thus the collision formed a shock wave and those of us who know anything about physics, the resultant force is less than the actual force of each of the colliding forces.
The databooks description doesn't state that Sasuke can turn anyone into a core at any time, so that's moot. The databook simply states that debris is attracted to the core. How Sasuke can turn entities into cores is what's being questioned, not the fact that he needs a core.
What the manga has shown is that anything that Sasuke is in control of can be turned into a CT core. You still have not provided evidence for Sasuke turning anyone into a core at anytime.
The sword of Perfect Susano'o is it's strongest physical attack and Kurama's tail is it's strongest physical attack. Their force is exactly the same and it that has nothing to do with the shockwave of Perfect Susano'o which is formed from the swing. Nothing at all.
You want to criticize the scaling that I presented while using a physics argument which is wrong anyway, knowing that the author doesn't follow such logic to the extent you suggest in the manga at all. He didn't write out and solve a forumla before drawing Perfect Susano'o and Kurama clashing, just like he doesn't calculate how much radiation Bijudama would produce every time one went off.
I accept you submitting to my point that Kishimoto's drawings aren't consistently drawn to scale yet you're cutting and pasting and resizing portions of scan segments completely disregarding the angle of the image it's being pasted onto and scale inconsistencies as well as the inaccuracies brought forward by resizing in paint.exe and think you're correct because he resized it to compliment another scan of the kyuubi being in SS's palm because your horrendous edits = how Kishimoto would actually draw such a scan right? Because you know that's the consistency that would be maintained if Kishimoto actually drew the scan because you're Kishimoto, Right?
I resized the scan to where Perfect Susano'o and the Mokujin are the size of Shinsuusenju's head as shown. Kurama is irrelevant to that.
The author consistently depicts the Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o to be the size of Shinsuusenju's head, so yes that is how he would depict it. There is no angle to the scan that would distort the scaling either, so moot point.
Lol if I am stupid then you must be dumb ass retard to call me stupid for stating the obvious .the bigger the object is ,the more chakra it requires to warp .that was shown with both kamui and FTG .
Except Sasuke doesn't warp anything he swap places with it. No you were saying Sasuke couldn't use Ameno without the Bijuu even if it did take more chakra to move something bigger he'd still be able to do the feat since he already did it in cannon Bijuu chakra didn't make Sasuke chakra pools any bigger.
Except Sasuke doesn't warp anything he swap places with it. No you were saying Sasuke couldn't use Ameno without the Bijuu even if it did take more chakra to move something bigger he'd still be able to do the feat since he already did it in cannon Bijuu chakra didn't make Sasuke chakra pools any bigger.
Sasuke doesnt always swap places .and when PS teleported it swaped places with nothing.and even when he swaps places with an object ,it would cost him more chakra to swap places with bigger objects because he doesnt only wrap himself to its place ,he also warp the object to his place ,unless you think he can swap places with something as big as the moon if he he is close enough :lol .sasuke didnt move susano .if he did ,susano would have merely moved some meters considering Sasuke's range .what happened is that sasuke used ameno through PS .I never claimed that Biju chakra increased sasuke's chakra pool .read my debate with Dean Winchester to get better idea about what I am saying .
how long do you think kg will get banned for this time lol.
