Shinsuusenju is the farthest from the camera, with the mountain coming after, with the the trees coming after that.
Inconsistency goes against what's most commonly depicted. More often than not, Kurama is depicted as being roughly the size of Shinsuusenju's hand, hence why it can be picked up.
Irrelevant as the entire scan has been proven to be invalid unless of course you want to just come out and admit that those mountains are extremely small or are you still trying to push this non-sense? Still doesn't change the fact that a few pages earlier it was as big as it's arm. You want to go on and on about size inconsistency yet act like your oblivious to see them in your own arguments.
The Mokujin and therefore Perfect Susano'o is the size of Shinsuusenju's head. The Mokujin being the same size as Shinsuusenju's head isn't an inconsistency.
I don't know why you don't use the same logic for Madara's CT considering that they only look comparable to single mountains depending on the panel.
How is PS the size of SS head when in cannon we can clearly see Ps blades alone being bigger than that. Also guess what Ps has shown to be bigger than it's own blade so yea. In no scan is Madara Meteors comparable to a single mountain when chucks of the CT were dwarfing mountain range plus Madara CT never showed any inconsistent size so your claim is completely moot here.
So the Mokujin matches Kurama in size yet is smaller than the blade?
Kurama>Susano'o blade>Mokujin=Kurama. That's what your argument has to claim or are you going to claim that Madara's blade shrunk for some unknown reason?
Ill quote you on this because the exact same thing can be said for your shitty argument but i think that me and you both know SS isn't anywhere near the size of Madara CT. Hell SS isn't anywhere near the size of the Juubi either. We've seen a Bijuu the size of Juubi finger[
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My point was that unstabilized Perfect Susano'o was the same size as the stabilized Perfect Susano'o. Then again, you've proven to be illiterate, so I can't say that I'm surprised.
Not like it isn't true seeing as to what you're forced to claim to save your trainwreck of an argument.
No you were saying that the Ps next to Kurama was as big as the PS displayed during Madara vs 5kage battle which i completely shitted on and dubunked don't try to change your arguments now.
You're forced to claim that the Mokujin on Shinsuusenju's head is somehow different than the one that Hashirama used against Edo Madara, even though the manga makes no effort to even hint at this. The reach coming from your end is extremely desperate.
How come when Ps blades are bigger than the Mokujin used on Hashirama's buddha's head. Doesn't matter though because Ps blades were shown to be bigger than the Bijuudama they carried and the Bijuudama carried on ps blade was shown to be just a big as Mokujin while Ps was shown to be bigger than it's own blade so it really doesn't matter in the end when scans proves that PS size> flying Ps blades size>>>>The Bijuudama's they carrie size which>Mokujin.
The meteors being visible when the Earth's curvature is visible is irrelevant. So is the Shinju's stump, which has already been proven to be smaller than Shinsuusenju.
That's what the manga showed. He has not shown the ability to just turn someone into a CT core whenever he wants, so you have to prove that he can. It's that simple. You have to actually provide evidence. I know this is a foreign concept to you.
Then again it is actually fallacies that are a foreign concept to you.
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Argument from Ignorance
(argumentum ad ignorantiam)
Definition:
Arguments of this form assume that since something has not been proven false, it is therefore true. Conversely, such an argument may assume that since something has not been proven true, it is therefore false. (This is a special case of a false dilemma, since it assumes that all propositions must either be known to be true or known to be false.)
Regardless of how much you like to exaggerate, Sasuke slash went through a mountain range worth of rock and nothing more. The rock heading towards him is irrelevant to it's durability or how far his shockwave travels and it isn't any more durable than a mountain pound for pound.
What actually is to be proven is Madara's Shockwaves going through an equal or greater mass of rock as accomplished by Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, something you've have yet to prove to me since here [
Shinsuusenju is bigger since the Mokujin fits on it's head, therefore Shinsuusenju always gets scaled to a size where Perfect Susano'o is greater than or equal to the size of it's head.
One can't claim that Biju are bigger than people since nothing is drawn to scale, correct?
That's irrelevant when the opposition can apply that same logic to justify why Sasuke doesn't require Genjutsu to utilize that form of Chibaku Tensei. It's just as Waltz said, the logic you're applying is a form of a logical fallacy.
That's irrelevant when the opposition can apply that same logic to justify why Sasuke doesn't require Genjutsu to utilize that form of Chibaku Tensei. It's just as Waltz said, the logic you're applying is a form of a logical fallacy.
Irrelevant as the entire scan has been proven to be invalid unless of course you want to just come out and admit that those mountains are extremely small or are you still trying to push this non-sense? Still doesn't change the fact that a few pages earlier it was as big as it's arm. You want to go on and on about size inconsistency yet act like your oblivious to see them in your own arguments.
Concession accepted. You haven't invalidated any of my arguments nor Shinsuusenju's portrayal of mountains only reaching it's knees while sitting down, which is consistent based on portrayals of the Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o being mountain sized, yet only as big as it's head.
Kurama is more consistently portrayed as big as Shinsuusenju's hand, yet you're still claiming that it's as big as it's entire arm based on 1 panel.
How is PS the size of SS head when in cannon we can clearly see Ps blades alone being bigger than that. Also guess what Ps has shown to be bigger than it's own blade so yea. In no scan is Madara Meteors comparable to a single mountain when chucks of the CT were dwarfing mountain range plus Madara CT never showed any inconsistent size so your claim is completely moot here.
A Susano'o blade isn't bigger than the Mokujin since both constructs are equal in size.
Yes, that is a single mountain, from one side of it's base to the other. Since that's the case, I'll automatically lose all of my common sense and claim that the CT are only equal to 1 mountain in width.
Yes the Mokujin is smaller than the PS blade in this scan[
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The Bijudama and the blade are also smaller than Kurama, which was equal to the Mokujin in size, so I guess that Kurama>blade>Mokujin=Kurama. Yup, that makes perfect sense. Let's ignore depictions that show the Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o to blatantly be the same size.
Ill quote you on this because the exact same thing can be said for your shitty argument but i think that me and you both know SS isn't anywhere near the size of Madara CT. Hell SS isn't anywhere near the size of the Juubi either. We've seen a Bijuu the size of Juubi finger[
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Shinsuusenju>>>>>Mokujin=Perfect Susano'o. Claiming otherwise would be fanfiction.
If the Ten Tails fits in that black circle, then it's nowhere near the size of Shinsuusenju since it isn't significantly bigger than Perfect Susano'o, the same construct that's only as big as Shinsuusenju's head.
No you were saying that the Ps next to Kurama was as big as the PS displayed during Madara vs 5kage battle which i completely shitted on and dubunked don't try to change your arguments now.
No, that's not what I said, but as I said before, your comprehension is laughable. I said that unstabilized Perfect Susano'o was the same size as the stabilized version. The half of unstabilized Perfect Susano wouldn't be any smaller than the half body of a stabilized Perfect Susano'o. The same goes for the standing versions of both constructs.
How come when Ps blades are bigger than the Mokujin used on Hashirama's buddha's head. Doesn't matter though because Ps blades were shown to be bigger than the Bijuudama they carried and the Bijuudama carried on ps blade was shown to be just a big as Mokujin while Ps was shown to be bigger than it's own blade so it really doesn't matter in the end when scans proves that PS size> flying Ps blades size>>>>The Bijuudama's they carrie size which>Mokujin.
Concession accepted.
You haven't addressed my point. Kurama>blade>Mokujin=Kurama. That is what you have to claim.
If you do, then you have to claim that Madara's blade shrunk for some unknown reason, otherwise it would be bigger than Kurama, which is the same size as the Mokujin.
Proven to be smaller than SS? Just because you dropped a pic of SS in a scan does not make it proof it just goes to show how retarded you really are.
Me claiming that the Mokujin & Perfect Susano'o are the size of Shinsuusenju's head makes me a retard? :lol
Trying to insult me isn't going to give your garbage argument merit. Just accept that you don't have an argument and stop wasting my time.
This "debate" has pretty much run it's course. You basically have to jump through hoops to claim that the Mokujin on Shinsuusenju's head is smaller, even though nothing implies this.
You're not going to admit that isn't the case since you know what that would mean and your bias towards anything related to Sasuke or other similar characters prevents an objective conclusion.
You haven't posted any evidence this entire time. I accept your concession, don't expect another reply.
The again it is actually fallacies that are a foreign concept to you.
What actually is to be proven is Madara's Shockwaves going through an equal or greater mass of rock as accomplished by Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, something you've have yet to prove to me since here [
Madara has shown the ability to create the same shockwaves that Sasuke has. That's evidence enough. I not sure how what you're doing here isn't Arguing from ignorance according to your logic. You don't have to prove your ridiculous claims, you're telling me to prove my claim using the same logic I'm using.
Your trying to throw around these fallacies to claim whatever you want without evidence. That's the problem.
The idea that Sasuke can turn anyone into a CT core whenever he wants, there is no basis within the manga that would ever imply this to be possible.
Mhm? Thus, based on this scan
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Kurama must be up-scaled equally to Shin-Shuusenju to keep the scan's consistency, making:
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The kyuubi roughly 10 times larger than Madara's Perfect Susano'o.
Actually one can claim people are larger than or almost as large as the Bijuu due to nothing being drawn to scale because according to
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Onooki is larger than Kurama's head. Hopefully, you'll now realize why what you've done is inconsistent and erroneous.
Shinsuusenju>>>>Mokujin=Perfect Susano'o is a consistent depiction. Kurama being as big as you're trying to claim is not. It was more consistently shown to be the size of Shinsuusenju's hand.
That's irrelevant when the opposition can apply that same logic to justify why Sasuke doesn't require Genjutsu to utilize that form of Chibaku Tensei. It's just as Waltz said, the logic you're applying is a form of a logical fallacy.
No, that isn't a fallacy. If you're saying that Sasuke can do this, then the burden of proof is on you to prove that he can.
Me saying that Sasuke hasn't turned anything not under his control into a core is fact, not a fallacy.
Madara has shown the ability to create the same shockwaves that Sasuke has. That's evidence enough. I not sure how what you're doing here isn't Arguing from ignorance according to your logic. You don't have to prove your ridiculous claims, you're telling me to prove my claim using the same logic I'm using.
Your trying to throw around these fallacies to claim whatever you want without evidence. That's the problem.
The idea that Sasuke can turn anyone into a CT core whenever he wants, there is no basis within the manga that would ever imply this to be possible.
You can't say the shockwaves are the same when the force of Madara's has no backing feats that its force could go through the same mass and density of rock Sasuke's went through. I have proof that Sasuke's sword swipes have gone through a greater mass of material than Madara's, you however have presented nothing more than biased speculation.
It does have basis for those of us who've actually read the Manga. The Manga showed Sasuke performing Chibaku tensei as a jutsu independently.
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As he clasps his hands and performs the Jutsu, the target becomes the gravitational core. Now where is your cannonical proof implying, or stating that he needs some other prerequisite to perform the Jutsu?
Shinsuusenju>>>>Mokujin=Perfect Susano'o is a consistent depiction. Kurama being as big as you're trying to claim is not. It was more consistently shown to be the size of Shinsuusenju's hand.
What isn't consistent and is erroneous, is cutting elements from one scan segment and dragging them to another then resizing it to meet a depiction of another scan segment because nothing is drawn to scale.
That's not true for multiple reasons:
1) The kyuubi isn't 8-10 times larger than PS, it's the same size, and it should be used as the object of reference since the scan is about the kyuubi and shinsuusenjuu, not about mokujin and shinsuusenjuu. So the focus is on the kyuubi and therefore the scaling of the kyuubi to SS take precedence over mokujin to SS.
2) Mokujin is sitting down on SS's head. If it stood up, it would be twice the height of itself sitting down.
3) Mokujin is only as tall as PS's body, not body+wings.
So even if we ignore the fact that the scan was about kyuusanoo and SS, and therefore that scaling should take preference, when you take into account that Mokujin was both sitting down and is only as tall as PS's body, this is how big the statue is compared to the crater:
The width of the meteors are irrelevant if Sasuke is cutting them lengthwise which we clearly saw in the scan you posted. Lengthwise, they are about as long as the bijuudama crater:
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So sasuke's slash cuts through super condensed rock the size of the BD crater.
Pain's CT was much more durable than rock considering KN6's mountian-vaporizing bijuudama did next to nothing to it.
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Madara's PS slashes were so weak that despite using multiple slashes against Mokujin, it didn't even leave a mark on the ground, nor did the shockwaves of his slashes even reach the edge of the BD crater they fought in. His slashes were so weak that he decided to fight using bijuudamas which merely vaporize mountains to fight SS, which is penetrating and cutting power far below that of which is required to cut a meteor as large as the combined bijuudama crater in half.
Concession accepted. You haven't invalidated any of my arguments nor Shinsuusenju's portrayal of mountains only reaching it's knees while sitting down, which is consistent based on portrayals of the Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o being mountain sized, yet only as big as it's head.
Kurama is more consistently portrayed as big as Shinsuusenju's hand, yet you're still claiming that it's as big as it's entire arm based on 1 panel.
I already have invalidated all of your arguments multiple times actually. It's really not when SS knee level is already Tree level so stop the non-sense clown. I really don't care how big Kurama is when my main point was talking about PS in the first place why must you constantly bring up Kurama it's completely irrelevant here.
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A Susano'o blade isn't bigger than the Mokujin since both constructs are equal in size.
Yes, that is a single mountain, from one side of it's base to the other. Since that's the case, I'll automatically lose all of my common sense and claim that the CT are only equal to 1 mountain in width.
Why must you even post the scan when you literally just drag SS next to anything without scaling it correctly? You think that counts as Proof? No it doesn't so just stop please. Then your retarded even more retarded than everyone on the base already knew. That dash mark doesn't even compare accurately you clown.
The Bijudama and the blade are also smaller than Kurama, which was equal to the Mokujin in size, so I guess that Kurama>blade>Mokujin=Kurama. Yup, that makes perfect sense. Let's ignore depictions that show the Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o to blatantly be the same size.
Shinsuusenju>>>>>Mokujin=Perfect Susano'o. Claiming otherwise would be fanfiction.
If the Ten Tails fits in that black circle, then it's nowhere near the size of Shinsuusenju since it isn't significantly bigger than Perfect Susano'o, the same construct that's only as big as Shinsuusenju's head.
Still doesn't change the fact that Ps blade was bigger than Mokujin. Let me tell you it really doesn't matter how many times you scream to yourself it's not that size in reality it really is sorry to let you down. But Ps blade cannonly showed it was bigger than Mokujin and Ps is cannonly bigger than it's own blade. It's actually bigger than SS. The scan you posted how SS would look in that box is all the way wrong Waltz even proved that if we scale Kurama the way you scaled SS Kurama would be much bigger than Juubi which means that your already at a complete lost when Juubi finger was shown to be the size of Bijuu.
No, that's not what I said, but as I said before, your comprehension is laughable. I said that unstabilized Perfect Susano'o was the same size as the stabilized version. The half of unstabilized Perfect Susano wouldn't be any smaller than the half body of a stabilized Perfect Susano'o. The same goes for the standing versions of both constructs.
How does this help your argument at all when your admitting what i've been trying to tell you? Ps is much bigger than Kurama which means SS isn't picking Ps up with the hand.
Concession accepted.
You haven't addressed my point. Kurama>blade>Mokujin=Kurama. That is what you have to claim.
If you do, then you have to claim that Madara's blade shrunk for some unknown reason, otherwise it would be bigger than Kurama, which is the same size as the Mokujin.
Keep telling yourself that it won't change anything. No i don't have to claim that when i've already proven that the blade was bigger than Mokujin. Which means it's no exception for Kurama and once again why are you turning what i said about Ps and making it about Kurama the whole reason we even started this because you said Ps would be hand held when i completely debunked that now your basing everything off Kurama as if they makes any sense.
Me claiming that the Mokujin & Perfect Susano'o are the size of Shinsuusenju's head makes me a retard? :lol
Yes when we seen a Ps blade bigger than Mokujin on SS head while on the other hand we already know for a fact that Ps is bigger than it's own blade yet you keep going back to that shitty logic saying that Mokujin on SS head is equal to Ps in size. How are they equal in size when we've already seen Ps bigger than it's own blade and we've already seen it's blade being bigger than Mokujin. That's why im saying your retarded.
Trying to insult me isn't going to give your garbage argument merit. Just accept that you don't have an argument and stop wasting my time.
I don't have an argument? Says the man than thinks SS can pick Ps up in it's hands. Says the man the also think SS is the size of one of Madara's Chibaku tensei. Tssk just go to bed please bro.
This "debate" has pretty much run it's course. You basically have to jump through hoops to claim that the Mokujin on Shinsuusenju's head is smaller, even though nothing implies this.
You're not going to admit that isn't the case since you know what that would mean and your bias towards anything related to Sasuke or other similar characters prevents an objective conclusion.
You haven't posted any evidence this entire time. I accept your concession, don't expect another reply.
It didn't jump through any hoops all i did was prove that Ps blades were bigger than the Mokujin on SS head. Bias toward anything Sasuke related? Your sadly mistaken bro im not even a Sasuke fan at all i just know for a fact he'd rape vote Hashirama and Madara low difficulty. L0l and look who's talking the number 1 Hashirama and Madara fanboy of all time. I bet when you saw this team your had an orgasm both your favs on the same side you had to get in on this and post BS. This also still doesn't change the fact that Sasuke shit stomps these clowns in this thread.
The thing is if we go by that retarded edit of SS compared to the barrier, it'll make SS only a bit bigger than shinjuu's main body. Then the fact that Sasuke casually sliced up a meteor bigger than the shinjuu with one strike comes into the play. If we take all this remotely true, Sasuke needs 2-3 strokes to destroy SS, which he clearly can.
The thing is if we go by that retarded edit of SS compared to the barrier, it'll make SS only a bit bigger than shinjuu's main body. Then the fact that Sasuke casually sliced up a meteor bigger than the shinjuu with one strike comes into the play. If we take all this remotely true, Sasuke needs 2-3 strokes to destroy SS, which he clearly can.
Ok? The mountains that the author uses to emphasize size or destructive power do not.
That's not true for multiple reasons:
1) The kyuubi isn't 8-10 times larger than PS, it's the same size, and it should be used as the object of reference since the scan is about the kyuubi and shinsuusenjuu, not about mokujin and shinsuusenjuu. So the focus is on the kyuubi and therefore the scaling of the kyuubi to SS take precedence over mokujin to SS.
2) Mokujin is sitting down on SS's head. If it stood up, it would be twice the height of itself sitting down.
3) Mokujin is only as tall as PS's body, not body+wings.
So even if we ignore the fact that the scan was about kyuusanoo and SS, and therefore that scaling should take preference, when you take into account that Mokujin was both sitting down and is only as tall as PS's body, this is how big the statue is compared to the crater:
This doesn't even make sense. The focus of the panel I cut from being Kurama doesn't retract from the fact that the Mokujin is the same size as Perfect Susano'o.
No, the Mokujin doesn't gain double it's height just from standing up. If it stood up, it would still be roughly the size of Shinsuusenju's head.
It being the same size as Perfect Susano'o without wings is a pointless distinction as the wings barely give it any extra height and Perfect Susano'o is slightly bigger than Shinsuusenju's head in my scaling anyway.
The width of the meteors are irrelevant if Sasuke is cutting them lengthwise which we clearly saw in the scan you posted. Lengthwise, they are about as long as the bijuudama crater:
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So sasuke's slash cuts through super condensed rock the size of the BD crater.
No, they aren't. Side by side, it isn't even significantly longer than the width of the Shinju's stump, which is nowhere near the Bijudama crater in size.
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Pain's CT was much more durable than rock considering KN6's mountian-vaporizing bijuudama did next to nothing to it.
The explosion destroyed whatever part it hit. It did nothing because it was too big for kn6 to destroy at that point.
Madara's PS slashes were so weak that despite using multiple slashes against Mokujin, it didn't even leave a mark on the ground, nor did the shockwaves of his slashes even reach the edge of the BD crater they fought in. His slashes were so weak that he decided to fight using bijuudamas which merely vaporize mountains to fight SS, which is penetrating and cutting power far below that of which is required to cut a meteor as large as the combined bijuudama crater in half.
Yeah, this part reeks of bias. The fight isn't even shown in the manga and the animation shows the shockwave from Madara's first swing in the manga hitting the edge of the crater.
The bold is just a bias interpretation that you fabricated. Madara combining his blade with standard Bijudama doesn't put his blade below that. He needed more power. He used it.
You can't say the shockwaves are the same when the force of Madara's has no backing feats that its force could go through the same mass and density of rock Sasuke's went through. I have proof that Sasuke's sword swipes have gone through a greater mass of material than Madara's, you however have presented nothing more than biased speculation.
Your argument is the exact definition of Appealing to ignorance since you claim that Madara wouldn't be able to cut the meteors since he hasn't cut something that large.
There is backing to the claim though since Madara's shockwaves have already produced equivalent destruction to the ones that Sasuke have used, so the feat wouldn't be unique to Sasuke.
It does have basis for those of us who've actually read the Manga. The Manga showed Sasuke performing Chibaku tensei as a jutsu independently.
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As he clasps his hands and performs the Jutsu, the target becomes the gravitational core. Now where is your cannonical proof implying, or stating that he needs some other prerequisite to perform the Jutsu?
A target that he is in control of becomes the core, not any target. Stop ignoring the details to satiate your bias.
What isn't consistent and is erroneous, is cutting elements from one scan segment and dragging them to another then resizing it to meet a depiction of another scan segment because nothing is drawn to scale.
As long as it's consistent with the elements of the scan I dragged it to, there is no problem. My edit shows that Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o=Shinsuusenju's head in size, just like the manga does.
Your argument is the exact definition of Appealing to ignorance since you claim that Madara wouldn't be able to cut the meteors since he hasn't cut something that large. There is backing to the claim though since Madara's shockwaves have already produced equivalent destruction to the ones that Sasuke have used, so the feat wouldn't be unique to Sasuke.
I never claimed that. I restate my claim once more, read carefully: I have proof that Sasuke's sword swipes have gone through a greater mass of material than Madara's, you however have presented nothing more than biased speculation. Where is your proof that he can do the same?
@Bold: If so , then show me a scan or Databook Segment of Madara's Perfect Susano'o shockwaves going through the same mass of Material as Sasuke's?
Yes the targets were under control but again, show me where it was stated or implied that the state of the target must be under control or is a pre-requsuite for Sasuke to perform the Jutsu independently?
As long as it's consistent with the elements of the scan I dragged it to, there is no problem. My edit shows that Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o=Shinsuusenju's head in size, just like the manga does.
There is a problem, because what the Manga shows in the original scan:
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The Kyuubi is larger than Shin-Shuusenju's entire head. Roughly as large as it's entire torso because, and I'll reiterate it: Nothing is drawn to scale.
This doesn't even make sense. The focus of the panel I cut from being Kurama doesn't retract from the fact that the Mokujin is the same size as Perfect Susano'o.
Sure mokujin is the same size of PS, no one is arguing against that. However the panel which shows Kurama and SS before they attack each other shows their respective sizes as the focus of that panel is Kurama and SS, not Mokujin and SS.
Unless you give me a reason why it doesn't gain double its height from standing up, then there's no reason to believe that Mokujin wouldn't gain double its height from standing up just like humans gain double their height from standing up. The average human has a sitting height of slightly more than half of their standing height. What reason do you have that mokujin would be any different?
It being the same size as Perfect Susano'o without wings is a pointless distinction as the wings barely give it any extra height and Perfect Susano'o is slightly bigger than Shinsuusenju's head in my scaling anyway.
In some scans, the wings add 1/4 of PS's height, in other scans,
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In the particular scan in question, PS's wings make up close to a third of its height as the point where the wings meet in the middle (which would be PS's head) is
No, they aren't. Side by side, it isn't even significantly longer than the width of the Shinju's stump, which is nowhere near the Bijudama crater in size.
My scan clearly shows the meteors are much longer than the shinjuu stump but i guess we could assume the one that sasuke cut in half wasn't a big one.
Your scans show the meteor as more than 2 times the width of the shinjuu stump. The shinjuu stump is
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so that would make the meteor as long as the BD crater. Your scan of the shinjuu doesn't mean anything since it doesn't show where the shinjuu was cut which cannot be ignored since the width of the tree changes based on how far up you are.
It didn't since we see that there are hardly any rocks in between KN6 and the meteor while the explosion occurs, yet when KN6 reaches the meteor, it's on a flat surface which wouldn't be true if the meteor just lost a mountain-sized amount of rock in that area.
Yeah, this part reeks of bias. The fight isn't even shown in the manga and the animation shows the shockwave from Madara's first swing in the manga hitting the edge of the crater.
Why does the fight have to be shown in the manga? If madara's swings are generating enough power to cleave meteors that are even half the size of the crater and the width of the shinjuu in half, there's no way that no resulting destruction could possibly not be shown. Not only that, we do see parts of the fight, such as the dust and shockwaves that are produced from the fight, yet none of it gets even close to reaching the edge of the crater. The animation means nothing since it's filler if not in the manga.
The bold is just a bias interpretation that you fabricated. Madara combining his blade with standard Bijudama doesn't put his blade below that. He needed more power. He used it.
PS blades don't hold the power of the slashes, PS swinging the blades is what causes it. The blades swing with such little force when they are attached to bijuudamas that they don't even generate shockwaves in the slightest. So this is absolutely not bias, if Madara's PS is as strong as Sasuke's, then he'd be weakening the forces of his strikes so much that his blades wouldn't even be making shockwaves which would make them attached to bijuudamas far less powerful than him swinging them as a bijuudama merely vaporizes mountain while Sasuke's blades cut through multimountainrange meteors of condensed rock.
I never claimed that. I restate my claim once more, read carefully: I have proof that Sasuke's sword swipes have gone through a greater mass of material than Madara's, you however have presented nothing more than biased speculation. Where is your proof that he can do the same?
@Bold: If so , then show me a scan or Databook Segment of Madara's Perfect Susano'o shockwaves going through the same mass of Material as Sasuke's?
Madara's slash doesn't have to specifically be shown going through a meteor.
Yes the targets were under control but again, show me where it was stated or implied that the state of the target must be under control or is a pre-requsuite for Sasuke to perform the Jutsu independently?
You're making excuses. This would only apply if we had reason to believe otherwise, but we don't. Sasuke's only shown demonstration is turning controlled targets into cores. There is nothing suggesting that he can turn anyone into a core whenever he wants.
There is a problem, because what the Manga shows in the original scan:
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The Kyuubi is larger than Shin-Shuusenju's entire head. Roughly as large as it's entire torso because, and I'll reiterate it: Nothing is drawn to scale.
Your scan doesn't show Madara's shockwaves going through the same mass of material, try again. Yes it has to be specifically shown because if you're going to claim his shockwaves are as strong as Sasuke you're going to have to prove that they equal are via feats or you have no argument.
You're making excuses. This would only apply if we had reason to believe otherwise, but we don't. Sasuke's only shown demonstration is turning controlled targets into cores. There is nothing suggesting that he can turn anyone into a core whenever he wants.
So because he's only turned controlled targets into cores, he therefore cannot turn an uncontrolled target into a core because it's never been shown? Here, read it again:
Fallacy: Argument from Ignorance
(argumentum ad ignorantiam)
Definition 2:
Conversely, such an argument may assume that since something has not been proven true, it is therefore false. (This is a special case of a false dilemma, since it assumes that all propositions must either be known to be true or known to be false.)
I never mentioned the Mokujin or it's depiction. These are the original scans that are shown in the Manga and they're inconsistent because they're not drawn to a scale.
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Kurama can't be the same size of Shin-Shuusenju's main body and yet be small enough to fit in it's palm at the same time.
Considering the range that PS covered by teleporting it is safe to say that Sasuke used ameno through PS .I mean sasuke didn't teleport and susano fellow him .it is the other way around susano teleported and sasuke who was camping inside it fellow it .Sasuke has no feats of using ameno through regular PS ,maybe it has something to do with the chakra required for PS to teleport .
