[VS] Rinnegan Sasuke vs. EMS Madara & SM Hashirama

NarutoX28

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 13, 2015
Messages
6,624
Reaction score
378
Kurama is already under Madara's control and Sasuke's genjutsu is simply the Sharingan's genjutsu being used through the Rinnegan. There isn't anything indicating that Sasuke would just be able to rip away Madara's control.

Madara's Majestic Attire possesses firepower on another level to Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o on it's lonesome.

It'd be more accurate and less dishonest to claim that it was Sharingan Genjutsu augmented considerably by his own Rinnegan considering his Rinnegan eye isn't even his dominant eye in regards to Genjutsu. Having perfect synergy as Kaguya did through combined usage of an Indra Transmigrant's Eternal Mangekyo and a Rinnegan received directly from Half of Rikudou's Power would logically yield far greater results than utilizing only one of his powers.
 
Last edited:

sixpaths15

Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2016
Messages
203
Reaction score
10
Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o possesses the same physical strength as every other Perfect Susano'o featwise and he doesn't have half of Hagoromo's chakra.

Hagoromo's chakra was exhausted from the Six Paths Power of Shadow during Six Paths CT and the seal went back to Hagoromo afterwards.

Sasuke wouldn't even be able to create a Susano'o from Hagoromo's Sage chakra anyway. Susano'o can only be created from the Uchiha's chakra.

if your saying sasuke lost the chakra the sage gave him after him and naruto used ct on kaguya then theres no point in even debating with you. sasuke and naruto still have the sages chakra. if your saying sasuke's ps that punched rsm naruto's kurama avatar's fist in vote 2 is only equal in physical strength to madara's ps when he fought sm hashirama then your on drugs.
 
Last edited:

Tantalus Thief

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 15, 2014
Messages
9,095
Reaction score
755
Kurama is already under Madara's control and Sasuke's genjutsu is simply the Sharingan's genjutsu being used through the Rinnegan. There isn't anything indicating that Sasuke would just be able to rip away Madara's control.

Madara's Majestic Attire possesses firepower on another level to Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o on it's lonesome.

>what's stopping him from dispelling an Uchiha genjutsu with his own? It's much easier to dispel genjutsu then it is to actually cast one. Hence why Naruto knew how to counter genjutsu even though he had no knowledge of how to make or cast one.

>Sasuke's genjutsu Rinnegan based. He never switches to a sharingan unlike Madara and the Rinnegan appears on his target's eyes like how people caught in IT have rinnegans in their eyes. Since Rinnegan>Sharingan in eye power it should be stronger or at least equal.

He doesn't have to take over Kurama all he needs to do is dispel Kurama from Madara's genjutsu and then he beats Madara.
 

TheSages456

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Aug 23, 2011
Messages
6,551
Reaction score
302
if your saying sasuke lost the chakra the sage gave him after him and naruto used ct on kaguya then theres no point in even debating with you. sasuke and naruto still have sages chakra.
That chakra doesn't have any influence on the outcome of this match regardless.

No, they don't have Hagoromo's chakra anymore. Sasuke is shown drawing on the Six Paths Power of Shadow for his Sage chakra boosted Chidori.

Naruto no longer possesses Hagoromo's Six Paths Sage mode that was granted by the Six Paths Power of Light. All he has now is the Six Paths Senjutsu chakra cloak that he can manifest due to the Biju.

>what's stopping him from dispelling an Uchiha genjutsu with his own? It's much easier to dispel genjutsu then it is to actually cast one. Hence why Naruto knew how to counter genjutsu even though he had no knowledge of how to make or cast one.

>Sasuke's genjutsu Rinnegan based. He never switches to a sharingan unlike Madara and the Rinnegan appears on his target's eyes like how people caught in IT have rinnegans in their eyes. Since Rinnegan>Sharingan in eye power it should be stronger or at least equal.

He doesn't have to take over Kurama all he needs to do is dispel Kurama from Madara's genjutsu and then he beats Madara.
Sasuke doesn't need to switch to his Sharingan since his Rinnegan possesses the Sharingan's power, hence Amaterasu.

His genjutsu isn't Rinnegan based. It's Sharingan based since the Rinnegan by itself does not have the ability to cast genjutsu. His Rinnegan design appearing in the targets eye is mere aesthetics since the targets eye will be a reflection of the casters.

Sure, Sasuke could dispel Madara's genjutsu over Kurama, but this happening in the midst of combat sounds unreasonable. As ridiculous as it may sound, Madara could just make Kurama close it's eyes.

Though none of this refutes my point being that Madara with Majestic Attire possesses far more firepower than Sasuke's Susano'o.
 

Unorthodox

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Feb 11, 2012
Messages
16,325
Reaction score
693
Why do people argue with the sage? What stops Sasuke from warping Madara in the sky and raping him up there? Anyways Sasuke stomps the latter.
 

TheSages456

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Aug 23, 2011
Messages
6,551
Reaction score
302
Why do people argue with the sage? What stops Sasuke from warping Madara in the sky and raping him up there? Anyways Sasuke stomps the latter.
Conversely, I don't know why anyone wasted their time refuting your arguments since they never make sense in the first place. There wasn't anything to counter and you have proven time and time again to be a hopeless case when it comes to anything involving Sasuke.

Teleporting Madara in the air with Amenotejikara accomplishes nothing. Madara would fall back to the ground and the fight would resume.
 

shelke

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
22,716
Reaction score
2,495
Why do people argue with the sage? What stops Sasuke from warping Madara in the sky and raping him up there? Anyways Sasuke stomps the latter.

Teleportation cannot separate Susanoo from the user.
 

TRE MERCER

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
May 13, 2014
Messages
13,251
Reaction score
487
Both Shinsuusenju and Majestic Attire have greater destructive feats than Perfect Susano'o on it's lonesome by tiers. Sasuke would be obliterated by either Hashirama or Madara at full power.

How when Sasuke ripped apart two of Madara CT within a 1min. If that CT were to fall down on Hashirama or Madara SS would be done for and so would Ps.
 

TRE MERCER

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
May 13, 2014
Messages
13,251
Reaction score
487
People need to realize that regular PS can't teleport or has no feats of doing so .
This makes no sense at all. Asorbing the Bijuu chakra did not grant him Ameno so what your saying doesn't even make sense.
 

NarutoX28

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 13, 2015
Messages
6,624
Reaction score
378
How when Sasuke ripped apart two of Madara CT within a 1min. If that CT were to fall down on Hashirama or Madara SS would be done for and so would Ps.

Unfortunately, TheSages456 believes that Sasuke lost Half of Hagoromo's chakra that bolstered his capabilities in the first place.
 

shelke

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
22,716
Reaction score
2,495
This makes no sense at all. Asorbing the Bijuu chakra did not grant him Ameno so what your saying doesn't even make sense.

He never absorbed Bijuu chakra. He didn't even merge it with his PS like he did with V3 and Jugo's Senjutsu. He reshaped his PS into a Mezo and used it as a container. I do agree with your main point, though.
 

TheSages456

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Aug 23, 2011
Messages
6,551
Reaction score
302
How when Sasuke ripped apart two of Madara CT within a 1min. If that CT were to fall down on Hashirama or Madara SS would be done for and so would Ps.
Sasuke's shockwaves don't travel any farther than Madara's. Both cover the distance of a mountain range.
Both have shown slashes that have covered more physical distance than the meteors.

If Hashirama & Madara faced CT, then Chojo Kebetsu and multiple Perfect Susano'o slashes would suffice in breaking them up.
 

shelke

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
22,716
Reaction score
2,495
What would shockwaves do in such a situation when they themselves are the cores? Nothing at all.
 

TheSages456

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Aug 23, 2011
Messages
6,551
Reaction score
302
What would shockwaves do in such a situation when they themselves are the cores? Nothing at all.
Why would they become the core? Sasuke has only been shown to make CT cores out of something that is under the control of his Rinnegan.

There isn't any possible debate here. If Sasuke uses CT, Shinsuusenju merely uses 9 out of it's 1000 arms to grab them and reduce them to dust.
Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o would then get smashed by the remaining 991 arms since it can't match the construct in firepower, just like Madara's can't.
 

shelke

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
22,716
Reaction score
2,495
Why would they become the core? Sasuke has only been shown to make CT cores out of something that is under the control of his Rinnegan.

There isn't any possible debate here. If Sasuke uses CT, Shinsuusenju merely uses 9 out of it's 1000 arms to grab them and reduce them to dust.
Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o would then gets smashed by the remaining 991 arms since it can't match the construct in firepower, just like Madara's can't.

So, genjutsu is an absolute prerequisite to use the core? Care to post a scan for this?

His PS is powered by Sage's Chakra. It's isn't an ordinary PS. That statue has never held down anything that comes even close to its power.

Again, how, when it's a superior Ninjutsu because of the chakra boost? You mean just like he smashed Madara's PS to bits?
 
Last edited:

TheSages456

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Aug 23, 2011
Messages
6,551
Reaction score
302
So, genjutsu is a absolute prerequisite to use the core? Care to post a scan for this?
The only time he has shown this variant of CT is against the Biju whom were under the control of his Rinnegan. I'm not saying that genjutsu is a prerequisite, but the thing he is using has to be under the control of his Rinnegan.

His PS is powered by Sage's Chakra. It's isn't an ordinary PS. That statue has never held down anything that comes even close to its power.
It's an ordinary Perfect Susano'o. The only type that differs from the ordinary in the power of the Susano'o itself is Biju Perfect Susano'o.

Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o isn't powered by Hagoromo's Sage chakra. The only time he possessed Hagoromo's chakra was when he had his seal and it wasn't even powering his Susano'o then.
That isn't possible since Susano'o can only be created from Uchiha chakra, not any other type.

Again, how when it's a superior Ninjutsu because of the chakra boost? You mean just like he smashed Madara's PS to bits?
Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o isn't any stronger than Madara's featwise. Both have produced shockwaves that were shown to travel an equivalent distance.

Madara's shockwave has shown to traverse an entire mountain range and Sasuke's shockwave was shown to go through meteors that were as big as a mountain range.
 

shelke

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
22,716
Reaction score
2,495
The only time he has shown this variant of CT is against the Biju whom were under the control of his Rinnegan. I'm not saying that genjutsu is a prerequisite, but the thing he is using has to be under the control of his Rinnegan.

What difference would that control make to turn their bodies into cores?

It's an ordinary Perfect Susano'o. The only type that differs from the ordinary in the power of the Susano'o itself is Biju Perfect Susano'o.

Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o isn't powered by Hagoromo's Sage chakra. The only time he possessed Hagoromo's chakra was when he had his seal and it wasn't even powering his Susano'o then.
That isn't possible since Susano'o can only be created from Uchiha chakra, not any other type.

Ordinary? No Ninjutsu Sasuke used after gaining the chakra is ordinary. He took out a meteor with an ordinary Chidori use. See where am I going with this?

There is no such thing as Bijuu-PS, given that Sasuke never absorbed that Chakra nor did he merge it with his modified PS like he did with Stabilized V3 and Senjutsu.

Sasuke's PS isn't powered by Sage's Chakra? That is absolutely incorrect, given that it's a part of his chakra system now. Also, what do you mean by Uchiha Chakra when the Sage is the soruce of undiluted and extremely potent Uchiha chakra?

Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o isn't any stronger than Madara's featwise. Both have produced shockwaves that were shown to travel an equivalent distance.

Madara's shockwave has shown to traverse an entire mountain range and Sasuke's shockwave was shown to go through meteors that were as big as a mountain range.

Shockwaves have nothing to do with PS' over all strength as they work on a different mechanism. Furthermore, there is no point in comparing inconsistent scaling to declare that his shockwave went longer and his didn't. It's pointless.
 
Last edited:

TRE MERCER

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
May 13, 2014
Messages
13,251
Reaction score
487
Unfortunately, TheSages456 believes that Sasuke lost Half of Hagoromo's chakra that bolstered his capabilities in the first place.
Yes but this is vote Sasuke i know he believe's adult Sasuke lost his abilities.
Sasuke's shockwaves don't travel any farther than Madara's. Both cover the distance of a mountain range.
Both have shown slashes that have covered more physical distance than the meteors.

If Hashirama & Madara faced CT, then Chojo Kebetsu and multiple Perfect Susano'o slashes would suffice in breaking them up.
Sasuke shockwaves travel much farther than that we seen how big the cuts in Madara ct were[ ] We can even see a chunk of rock he cut off covering mountain range[ ].
Na the debris alone would be to much for them. SS couldn't even bust open Madara's ps completely it gets wrecked by His ct[ ].

Sasuke is completely ripped through with 2 slices. Madara Ps is simply overwhelmed and out powered.
 
Top