[VS] MS Kakashi vs Obito

[EZQ]

What are you talking about? Why the hell would he need to do it from different dimensions when Naruto's clone in the other dimension only needs to sense Obito when he shows up in that dimension?

If Obito phases far away from that point, Naruto sensing him o not is irrelevant, since the "phasing" end and Naruto was too far away to actually land a hit before Obito returns to the real dimension. That's why they need to force Obito to phase near the location Naruto was warped.

If what you were saying was possible, instead of wasting time timing their attacks, Kakashi simply would've warped Naruto's clone to the other side, and when Obito's body parts show up in the other dimension Naruto senses his chakra and then attacks him. The only thing different about what you are saying here is that Kakashi will be the one going instead of Naruto. That doesn't erase the issue. Your post doesn't address the issue. :lol

The level of reading comprehension is high. I'm talking about Kakashi knowing where Obito is from a different dimension. So if the warping happened, Kakashi would be in that same relative position, but on the other dimension, so there's no need for Kakashi to make Obito phase where he warped the previous clone, since the clone can move around in the other dimension following Obito's movements on the real dimension.

The one who doesn't make sense is you. Naruto not being able to do it ---> Because he doesn't know where Obito is gonna appear, hence he needs Obito to phase close to where he is, so he can attack him.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Obito phases far away from that point, Naruto sensing him o not is irrelevant, since the "phasing" end and Naruto was too far away to actually land a hit before Obito returns to the real dimension. That's why they need to force Obito to phase near the location Naruto was warped.

Terrible argument because this kind of distance was never ever a factor in Naruto and Kakashi's fight against Obito. The only time they were over 10-15m away from each other during that entire fight was before the fight started and right before Obito activated the process for the Mazo to become the Juubi.

And "before he returns"? :lol He doesn't return until the assault from the real world ends. :lol Stop grasping at straws. You sound ridiculous.

The level of reading comprehension is high. I'm talking about Kakashi knowing where Obito is from a different dimension. So if the warping happened, Kakashi would be in that same relative position, but on the other dimension, so there's no need for Kakashi to make Obito phase where he warped the previous clone, since the clone can move around in the other dimension following Obito's movements on the real dimension.

I know exactly what you are talking about and it's 100% irrelevant for reasons stated above and in my previous posts.

The one who doesn't make sense is you. Naruto not being able to do it ---> Because he doesn't know where Obito is gonna appear, hence he needs Obito to phase close to where he is, so he can attack him.

Addressed. Stop with this nonsense now pal. You don't make sense nor will you ever make sense with this point.

 

[EZQ]

Terrible argument because this kind of distance was never ever a factor in Naruto and Kakashi's fight against Obito. The only time they were over 10-15m away from each other during that entire fight was before the fight started and right before Obito activated the process for the Mazo to become the Juubi.

And "before he returns"? :lol He doesn't return until the assault from the real world ends. :lol Stop grasping at straws. You sound ridiculous.



I know exactly what you are talking about and it's 100% irrelevant for reasons stated above and in my previous posts.



Addressed. Stop with this nonsense now pal. You don't make sense nor will you ever make sense with this point.

Nope, i'm 100% convinced that you are not understanding, since you've already conceded on this point. I'll erase everything i said and start new and summarized. I'll "stop" as you ask after this.

1- Kakashi knows where Obito is if they're in different dimmensions. Naruto doesn't.

If you agree with this, then don't even answer this point.

2- Kakashi had to warp Naruto, and then make Obito phase close to that location, so their relative positions on the other dimension are close, so Naruto can land an attack

If you agree with this point then dont answer

3- The reason of this is because Naruto, while warped, stops knowing about Obito's location, so then if they force Obito to phase in whatever place, his relative position on the pocket dimension is not now in Naruto's reach. So for this tactic, the warping must be in the same place or close to the point where Obito is forced to phase.

If you agree with that then lets move on.

Now i don't know if i catch what you're saying. You're saying that because they used that tactic, it means that the tactic of Kakashi's clone is impossible?

Kakashi's clone would know where Obito is in the real dimension, so he'd move accordingly to where Obito is moving, so in whatever point Obito is forced to phase, Kakashi will be there right next to Obito in the pocket dimension.

If your only argument is that "lol they didn't use it so it's impossible" then you're mistaken, since they're a lot of answers like, plot, kakashi didn't think of it, kakashi couldn't waste his chakra in splitting to a clone since he couldn't make the kamui after, kakashi couldn't go himself to the other dimension since he wouldn't be able to come back after, kakashi warping a clone or going himself to the other dimension would expose their plans in Obito's face...

 

[KidGamer65]

Nope, i'm 100% convinced that you are not understanding, since you've already conceded on this point. I'll erase everything i said and start new and summarized. I'll "stop" as you ask after this.

No, it's pretty obvious whatever bias you have for Kakashi is preventing you from reading and comprehending what is being stated here properly and it's getting pretty annoying.

3- The reason of this is because Naruto, while warped, stops knowing about Obito's location, so then if they force Obito to phase in whatever place, his relative position on the pocket dimension is not now in Naruto's reach. So for this tactic, the warping must be in the same place or close to the point where Obito is forced to phase.

If you agree with that then lets move on.

WRONG. I just addressed this. Read it this time instead of repeating yourself.

Terrible argument because this kind of distance was never ever a factor in Naruto and Kakashi's fight against Obito. The only time they were over 10-15m away from each other during that entire fight was before the fight started and right before Obito activated the process for the Mazo to become the Juubi.

Unless Naruto becomes a cripple in the Kamui Dimension there is no reason why Obito would be out of his reach. It's you making stuff up again. Obito and Naruto were never over 10m away from each other in the final stages of the fight. Naruto can cover distances 5 times that in a second or two.

Now i don't know if i catch what you're saying. You're saying that because they used that tactic, it means that the tactic of Kakashi's clone is impossible?

Precisely.

Kakashi's clone would know where Obito is in the real dimension, so he'd move accordingly to where Obito is moving, so in whatever point Obito is forced to phase, Kakashi will be there right next to Obito in the pocket dimension.

Nope.

If your only argument is that "lol they didn't use it so it's impossible" then you're mistaken, since they're a lot of answers like, plot, kakashi didn't think of it, kakashi couldn't waste his chakra in splitting to a clone since he couldn't make the kamui after, kakashi couldn't go himself to the other dimension since he wouldn't be able to come back after, kakashi warping a clone or going himself to the other dimension would expose their plans in Obito's face...

If plot is your argument then you might as well stop arguing because you don't really have an argument in that scenario. "Kakashi not thinking of it" isn't an excuse. It's a weak attempt at one. Naruto and Kakashi could've done what you think they could've done yet what was shown in the Manga is that the attack needs to be timed perfectly so that it hits Obito in the same place they warped the clone to.

Saying "oh, well the clone can just find him and attack him" makes zero sense because Naruto's clone can do the same thing yet they needed this strategy. Saying "oh, well Naruto is too far" makes no sense because Naruto was never over 10m away from Obito during the final stages of their fight.

Instead of making excuses, you can just agree with what the Manga has depicted.

 

[EZQ]

No, it's pretty obvious whatever bias you have for Kakashi is preventing you from reading and comprehending what is being stated here properly and it's getting pretty annoying.






WRONG. I just addressed this. Read it this time instead of repeating yourself.



Unless Naruto becomes a cripple in the Kamui Dimension there is no reason why Obito would be out of his reach. It's you making stuff up again. Obito and Naruto were never over 10m away from each other in the final stages of the fight. Naruto can cover distances 5 times that in a second or two.



Precisely.



Nope.



If plot is your argument then you might as well stop arguing because you don't really have an argument in that scenario. "Kakashi not thinking of it" isn't an excuse. It's a weak attempt at one. Naruto and Kakashi could've done what you think they could've done yet what was shown in the Manga is that the attack needs to be timed perfectly so that it hits Obito in the same place they warped the clone to.

Saying "oh, well the clone can just find him and attack him" makes zero sense because Naruto's clone can do the same thing yet they needed this strategy. Saying "oh, well Naruto is too far" makes no sense because Naruto was never over 10m away from Obito during the final stages of their fight.

Instead of making excuses, you can just agree with what the Manga has depicted.

So your argument is literally they didn't use it so it's not possible. You don't care about finding an explanation. Don't say it's been adressed because it has not.

 

[KidGamer65]

So your argument is literally they didn't use it so it's not possible. You don't care about finding an explanation. Don't say it's been adressed because it has not.

No, there is an explanation. They went with that strategy because whatever nonsense you are proposing wouldn't help them. You just want an explanation that agrees with your foolish biased view of Kakashi's potential. It's been addressed. Stop quoting me if you are just going to repeat "they can do it, they can do it". Over and over and over again.

 

[EZQ]

No, there is an explanation. They went with that strategy because whatever nonsense you are proposing wouldn't help them. You just want an explanation that agrees with your foolish biased view of Kakashi's potential. It's been addressed. Stop quoting me if you are just going to repeat "they can do it, they can do it". Over and over and over again.

Lmao. This has gotten riddiculous. Your only argument is "they didn't do it so it's not possible" when i already named several reasons of why they couldn't do it.

You have absolutely no argument of why Kakashi's clone can't stay close to the lcoation Obito will phase, since he knows it. They didn't do it so it's not possible? Lmao. Pathetic and lame exuce for YOUR bias of changing views over the same matchup over and over just to benefit your ridicculous argument

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao. This has gotten riddiculous. Your only argument is "they didn't do it so it's not possible" when i already named several reasons of why they couldn't do it.

You have absolutely no argument of why Kakashi's clone can't stay close to the lcoation Obito will phase, since he knows it. They didn't do it so it's not possible? Lmao. Pathetic and lame exuce for YOUR bias of changing views over the same matchup over and over just to benefit your ridicculous argument

EZQ, cut the bullshit already. They purposely went with that particular strategy, which is your strategy but with another added step. You sound hilariously stupid crying to me about "they can do it cause I said so" even though that extra step would not be necessary if they could do such.

At the end of the day, what was shown in the Manga is fact and that's my argument. Your argument is nothing but speculation that directly goes against what the Manga has shown. You moan the same moans of all the fanboys who hit a point where they can't argue with fact any further. All because you want to fanboy over a fictional character instead of taking what Kishimoto gives you at face value. Jesus Christ you people amaze me sometimes.

And no, you didn't name several reasons why Naruto himself wouldn't be able to do what you are saying. You named reasons why they didn't use another clone of Kakashi as if it matters and you made a bunch of other BS excuses.

 

[EZQ]

EZQ, cut the bullshit already. They purposely went with that particular strategy, which is your strategy but with another added step. You sound hilariously stupid crying to me about "they can do it cause I said so" even though that extra step would not be necessary if they could do such.

At the end of the day, what was shown in the Manga is fact and that's my argument. Your argument is nothing but speculation that directly goes against what the Manga has shown. You moan the same moans of all the fanboys who hit a point where they can't argue with fact any further. All because you want to fanboy over a fictional character instead of taking what Kishimoto gives you at face value. Jesus Christ you people amaze me sometimes.

And no, you didn't name several reasons why Naruto himself wouldn't be able to do what you are saying. You named reasons why they didn't use another clone of Kakashi as if it matters and you made a bunch of other BS excuses.

It's not an extra step. The whole concept of the plan changes when the one in the other dimension is Naruto's clone, and not Kakashi's clone who can know where Obito will phase, and not Naruto.

You cut the bullshit, since you have no other explanation than "they didn't do it" so it's not possible, when it's completely possible.

You are too much looking for excuses here, since there's not one single point that favours your claim. Naruto can't anticipate the place where Obito will phase so they needed to do that. If it was Kakashi, then it's not necessarely.

But, hey, let me guess your next post:

Some insults
Cut the crap
Your argument is bullshit
That's excuses
It didn't happen so it's impossible

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obito shits. Obito doesn't have to follow Kakashi to the Kamui land so therefor if Kakashi decides to warp himself and wait inside the kamui land he lose via Beyond BF Restrictions. If they fight in cannon Obito still wins. Superior katon low level mokuton and Izanagi will give Obito the advantage once they engage in cqc. Not to mention he can spit giant shuriken out his eyes once Kakashi and him get locked in with each other[

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Rinnegan wins even easier since he has Gunbai and path abilities.

 

[lelerskates]

Last I checked Kakashi won in canon. And kidgamer is banned. I hope he's reading so I can tell him to lick my nuts. Hue hue hue

 

[EZQ]

Obito shits. Obito doesn't have to follow Kakashi to the Kamui land so therefor if Kakashi decides to warp himself and wait inside the kamui land he lose via Beyond BF Restrictions. If they fight in cannon Obito still wins. Superior katon low level mokuton and Izanagi will give Obito the advantage once they engage in cqc. Not to mention he can spit giant shuriken out his eyes once Kakashi and him get locked in with each other[

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] He spits these out of his eyes[

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Rinnegan wins even easier since he has Gunbai and path abilities.

He doesn't need to go himself to the kamui dimension, he warps a clone to it. So there is a Kakashi in the real dimension and a clone in the pocket dimension that will strike as soon as obito phases.

Izanagi is restricted, Katon is countered by going underground, and lol Obito's Mokuton without zetsu is lame, Kakashi cuts it with raiden or uses Kamui itself on it. Then Kakashi trashes him in CQC.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He doesn't need to go himself to the kamui dimension, he warps a clone to it. So there is a Kakashi in the real dimension and a clone in the pocket dimension that will strike as soon as obito phases.

Obito doesn't need to ever phase against Kakashi since he won't be getting blitzed by Kakashi.

Izanagi is restricted, Katon is countered by going underground, and lol Obito's Mokuton without zetsu is lame, Kakashi cuts it with raiden or uses Kamui itself on it. Then Kakashi trashes him in CQC.

Umm no. Obito would never use his katon at long range for the simple purpose of Kakashi being able to hide underground. Once Kakashi thinks he's going to cut Mokuton he's surprised by Giant kunai or Juubi sized Katon. Na he isn't warping anything when Obito can easily manipulate Kakashi warping process from a distance[

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Kakashi wrecks Obito in cqc based off what? oh right absolutely nothing.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Last I checked Kakashi won in canon. And kidgamer is banned. I hope he's reading so I can tell him to lick my nuts. Hue hue hue

Last time i checked all he did was kick Obito back[

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] in a fight that Obito wanted to lose so he could remove the seal Madara put over his heart[

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[EZQ]

Obito doesn't need to ever phase against Kakashi since he won't be getting blitzed by Kakashi.

Lol he doesn't need to get blitzed to be forced to phase. If Kakashi sends the clone to the other dimension without Obito noticing, then even better, Obito will phase since he's a kamui spammer, and gets ambushed from the other dimension. If Kakashi doesn't manage to send the clone while being hidden, then he just fights Obito who won't be able to phase, and it becomes a fight without kamui.

Umm no. Obito would never use his katon at long range for the simple purpose of Kakashi being able to hide underground.

Then if he uses it at short range, Kakashi simply dodges it as in canon, because using juubi sized katon for a close distance means more charge time, so a huge opening for kakashi to kill him. So, fire in close range gets dodged like in canon, fire in long range gets evaded by going underground.

Once Kakashi thinks he's going to cut Mokuton he's surprised by Giant kunai or Juubi sized Katon.

And what's this multitask bs? Obito uses Mokuton, then Kakashi cuts it if it's going at him. If Obito stops using the mokuton to change to one of the jutsus you mentioned, then Kakashi stops having the need of cutting it, lol

Na he isn't warping anything when Obito can easily manipulate Kakashi warping process from a distance[

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The only time Obito could avoid the warp was when Kakashi was warping the gedo mazo's head, it was such a big target that Obito had time to react to it and cancel it. Later against Naruto, Obito noticed that Kakashi was warping his rasengan, the kunai, the cclone itself... but against smaller targets the warp is faster and Obito is not on time to cancel it

What stops Obito from spitting the clone Kakashi set in the Kamui dimension out like this[

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That feat is inconsistent. He could do it to Danzo's subordinates who were unconcious and unable to move. He couldn't expell Kakashi when he was kicking his ass from the other dimension.

Kakashi wrecks Obito in cqc based off what? oh right absolutely nothing.

1- If we go by canon (the viz translation of that page is Obito saying "Kakashi destroyed it" and not ***********'s "i had kakashi destroy it". Nice try tho

2- If we go by feats where Obito absolutely has no feats and Kakashi has plenty of good feats. Ignore point 1 if you want, but now you are the one to prove Obito doesn't get wrecked without kamui.. smh

 

[BenjerminGaye]

EZQ, kakashi knew because he can see obito's location through obito's eye.

 

[TRE MERCER]

There was no reason for you to post this wall at all people try to when debates via attrition rather than actual facts.

Lol he doesn't need to get blitzed to be forced to phase. If Kakashi sends the clone to the other dimension without Obito noticing, then even better, Obito will phase since he's a kamui spammer, and gets ambushed from the other dimension. If Kakashi doesn't manage to send the clone while being hidden, then he just fights Obito who won't be able to phase, and it becomes a fight without kamui.

Yes and how is Kakashi going to do that when Obito can see through Kakashi eye? Yea he can't. In a fight without Kamui Obito still wins so him not being able to use Kamui doesn't hinder him at all.

Then if he uses it at short range, Kakashi simply dodges it as in canon, because using juubi sized katon for a close distance means more charge time, so a huge opening for kakashi to kill him. So, fire in close range gets dodged like in canon, fire in long range gets evaded by going underground.

Kakashi dodges what as in cannon? Not it doesn't it takes as normal time as a regular katon it was never stated or hinted that using Juubi size katon close range makes it slower your making up things now. @BOLD No this is nothing but your terrible attempt to slide your made up logic in here lol.

And what's this multitask bs? Obito uses Mokuton, then Kakashi cuts it if it's going at him. If Obito stops using the mokuton to change to one of the jutsus you mentioned, then Kakashi stops having the need of cutting it, lol

The only time Obito could avoid the warp was when Kakashi was warping the gedo mazo's head, it was such a big target that Obito had time to react to it and cancel it. Later against Naruto, Obito noticed that Kakashi was warping his rasengan, the kunai, the cclone itself... but against smaller targets the warp is faster and Obito is not on time to cancel it

Umm no Obito Mokuton doesn't need to multitask hence the reason i said Katon or giant kamui shurikens. He does this[

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]Kakashi uses his raition to cut it and he's hit by these giant shurikens[

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] at that close of range he isn't dodging anything. Obito cannonly told Kakashi that trying to warp his body was never going to work[

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]. Kamui is useless especially if used directly toward Obito.

That feat is inconsistent. He could do it to Danzo's subordinates who were unconcious and unable to move. He couldn't expell Kakashi when he was kicking his ass from the other dimension.

How would he ever have time to expel Kakashi when he had BM Naruto standing right in front of him. That would be completely suicide.

1- If we go by canon (the viz translation of that page is Obito saying "Kakashi destroyed it" and not ***********'s "i had kakashi destroy it". Nice try tho

2- If we go by feats where Obito absolutely has no feats and Kakashi has plenty of good feats. Ignore point 1 if you want, but now you are the one to prove Obito doesn't get wrecked without kamui.. smh

Obito doesn't get wrecked without Kamui why? Obito has reacted to Minato,V1 Ei blitz. BM Naruto and many more impressive feats Kakashi cqc skills aren't doing shit to Obito and post the viz scan while you at it.

 

[EZQ]

There was no reason for you to post this wall at all people try to when debates via attrition rather than actual facts.


Yes and how is Kakashi going to do that when Obito can see through Kakashi eye? Yea he can't. In a fight without Kamui Obito still wins so him not being able to use Kamui doesn't hinder him at all.



Kakashi dodges what as in cannon? Not it doesn't it takes as normal time as a regular katon it was never stated or hinted that using Juubi size katon close range makes it slower your making up things now. @BOLD No this is nothing but your terrible attempt to slide your made up logic in here lol.


Umm no Obito Mokuton doesn't need to multitask hence the reason i said Katon or giant kamui shurikens. He does this[

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]Kakashi uses his raition to cut it and he's hit by these giant shurikens[

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] at that close of range he isn't dodging anything. Obito cannonly told Kakashi that trying to warp his body was never going to work[

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]. Kamui is useless especially if used directly toward Obito.


How would he ever have time to expel Kakashi when he had BM Naruto standing right in front of him. That would be completely suicide.




Obito doesn't get wrecked without Kamui why? Obito has reacted to Minato,V1 Ei blitz. BM Naruto and many more impressive feats Kakashi cqc skills aren't doing shit to Obito and post the viz scan while you at it.

Lmao this post made my eyes bleed. I don't feel like arguint this now

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lmao this post made my eyes bleed. I don't feel like arguint this now

Good to know since all your main points were countered. Lol the fact that your main argument was that Kakashi was going to beat Obito in cqc just cause lol without any explanation concession accepted.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's not an extra step. The whole concept of the plan changes when the one in the other dimension is Naruto's clone, and not Kakashi's clone who can know where Obito will phase, and not Naruto.

You cut the bullshit, since you have no other explanation than "they didn't do it" so it's not possible, when it's completely possible.

You are too much looking for excuses here, since there's not one single point that favours your claim. Naruto can't anticipate the place where Obito will phase so they needed to do that. If it was Kakashi, then it's not necessarely.

But, hey, let me guess your next post:

Some insults
Cut the crap
Your argument is bullshit
That's excuses
It didn't happen so it's impossible

:lol You should be ashamed for this ridiculous display. Naruto and Kakashi can literally do everything Kakashi+a clone would be able to do for this plan yet they had to take extra steps in canon, thus your argument is wrong. No amount of whining isn't going to change that, because that's all you are doing at this point.

And no, if you had even an iota of common sense when it came to your beloved Kakashi you would know it's not the fact that it didn't happen, it's the fact that they had to do that+more in canon. So why the hell would anyone with common sense argue they could do less? :lol Just stop buddy. Quit making trash excuses like "Kakashi can see blah blah blah" even though Naruto can sense. I just addressed that. Then you started crying about distance. I addressed that too. I see no counter. That's how I know that you don't know what you are talking about.