[VS] MS Kakashi vs Obito

[EZQ]

Location: Minato vs Obito

Distance: 50m

Knowledge: Manga

Conditions: Scenario 1 it's MS Obito. Scenario 2 it's war arc Obito

Restrictions: Izanagi for Obito in S1. Izanagi and bijuus in S2.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito wins. If Kakashi wants to exploit Kamui's weakness he'll have to warp a clone and then make Obito phase in that same exact position. Obito simply moves away from that area altogether rendering that strategy completely useless. Kakashi doesn't even have the chakra to waste splitting it in half for clones on a strategy that won't succeed. Long range Kamui is useless.

Kakashi doesn't have a way to reliably hit Obito. So at the very worst Obito outlasts until he can't try and exploit the clone strategy anymore and then kills him. in the most likely scenario Obito simply overpowers and kills him while slipping through his techs.

 

[EZQ]

Obito wins. If Kakashi wants to exploit Kamui's weakness he'll have to warp a clone and then make Obito phase in that same exact position. Obito simply moves away from that area altogether rendering that strategy completely useless. Kakashi doesn't even have the chakra to waste splitting it in half for clones on a strategy that won't succeed. Long range Kamui is useless.

Kakashi doesn't have a way to reliably hit Obito. So at the very worst Obito outlasts until he can't try and exploit the clone strategy anymore and then kills him. in the most likely scenario Obito simply overpowers and kills him while slipping through his techs.

Kakashi knows where Obito is from the other dimension. He just follows him from the pocket dimension, and knows where he's going to phase.

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[KidGamer65]

Kakashi knows where Obito is from the other dimension. He just follows him from the pocket dimension, and knows where he's going to phase.

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If that's how it worked then Naruto and Kakashi wouldn't need to hit him at the exact spot he phased at, Naruto would just follow him from the pocket dimension and then hit him whenever he tried to phase.

 

[EZQ]

If that's how it worked then Naruto and Kakashi wouldn't need to hit him at the exact spot he phased at, Naruto would just follow him from the pocket dimension and then hit him whenever he tried to phase.

Dude, Kakashi's ad Obito's eyes are linked. Naruto is not linked to Obito

 

[Bogard]

Either Kakashi let himself warped by Obito, kills Obito in the dimension when he comes back to try to finish him off

Or

Kakashi warps his clone in the other dimension, pressures Obito in the real world who while phasing gets killed by the clone in the other dimension

 

[KidGamer65]

Dude, Kakashi's ad Obito's eyes are linked. Naruto is not linked to Obito

Lmao. No. Kakashi and Obito's eyes only have a link that activates randomly. Naruto is a sensor and that won't change in the other dimension. Your argument obviously doesn't hold here.

 

[EZQ]

Lmao. No. Kakashi and Obito's eyes only have a link that activates randomly. Naruto is a sensor and that won't change in the other dimension. Your argument obviously doesn't hold here.

And okey, how do you explain Kakashi knowing where to spawn to fall into Obito, from different dimmensions?

 

[KidGamer65]

And okey, how do you explain Kakashi knowing where to spawn to fall into Obito, from different dimmensions?

How does that matter? Being able to locate him doesn't matter. Naruto has the means to locate Obito yet they needed that special strategy to counter his intangibility.

 

[makosheva7]

How does that matter? Being able to locate him doesn't matter. Naruto has the means to locate Obito yet they needed that special strategy to counter his intangibility.

Obito never FULLY went into the Kamui dimension in that fight, so as far as Kakashi was concerned, Obito's chakra was both in front of him and in the Kamui dimension.
In the case where he warped out of the Kamui dimension to Obito, all of Obito's chakra is there, which is why Kakashi could warp there.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito never FULLY went into the Kamui dimension in that fight, so as far as Kakashi was concerned, Obito's chakra was both in front of him and in the Kamui dimension.
In the case where he warped out of the Kamui dimension to Obito, all of Obito's chakra is there, which is why Kakashi could warp there.

And what exactly is this supposed to prove? Obito was fully inside the Kamui dimension the time when Naruto smashed his mask yet this strategy was necessary.

 

[EZQ]

How does that matter? Being able to locate him doesn't matter. Naruto has the means to locate Obito yet they needed that special strategy to counter his intangibility.

Okay, let's put it into steps.

1- Kakashi in dimension A

2- Obito in dimension B

3- Kakashi locates where Obito is from a different dimension (unknown means) and goes to dimension B exactly at the spot Obito is

How? Hasn't ben shown. But Kakashi can do it.

And why did they use that tactic with Naruto? Well, Kakashi didn't know how to go himself to the other dimension and was so low on chakra that maybe he couldn't even come back. Naruto in the other dimension doesn't know where Obito will spawn so they needed to make Obito phase on that spot.

Answering the bold, if Kakashi's clone knows where Obito is from the other dimension, then Obito can be forced to phase on any part of the battlefield, it doesn't matter, the clone wil be on that same part on the other dimension.

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay, let's put it into steps.

1- Kakashi in dimension A

2- Obito in dimension B

3- Kakashi locates where Obito is from a different dimension (unknown means) and goes to dimension B exactly at the spot Obito is

How? Hasn't ben shown. But Kakashi can do it.

Naruto has the means to locate Obito yet they needed that special strategy to counter his intangibility.

:lol. We could do this all night. This is NOT possible. If it were possible they wouldn't need to strike him relative to his position in the real world by timing their attacks. Simply sending a clone over there would be enough. But it wasn't as the Manga showed us. So why are you trying to argue against the Manga?

And why did they use that tactic with Naruto? Well, Kakashi didn't know how to go himself to the other dimension and was so low on chakra that maybe he couldn't even come back. Naruto in the other dimension doesn't know where Obito will spawn so they needed to make Obito phase on that spot.

Answering the bold, if Kakashi's clone knows where Obito is from the other dimension, then Obito can be forced to phase on any part of the battlefield, it doesn't matter, the clone wil be on that same part on the other dimension.

That doesn't matter. Kakashi going there provides no extra advantage that Naruto didn't have.

And the bold is you repeating the same stuff you've yet to prove.

-Naruto has the means to locate Obito no matter where he shows up in the other dimension.
-Yet they needed that special strategy to counter him.

 

[lelerskates]

This is NOT possible.

in your opinion. but youre wrong.

 

[KidGamer65]

in your opinion. but youre wrong.

Nope. Fact. If it were possible then what Kakashi and Naruto did would've been unnecessary. But you seem to love crying about my "opinions" when my "opinions" are supported by fact from the Manga. :lol So carry on.

 

[EZQ]

Naruto has the means to locate Obito yet they needed that special strategy to counter his intangibility.

Naruto doesn't have the means to do it FROM DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS.

:lol. We could do this all night. This is NOT possible. If it were possible they wouldn't need to strike him relative to his position in the real world by timing their attacks. Simply sending a clone over there would be enough. But it wasn't as the Manga showed us. So why are you trying to argue against the Manga?

Keep repeting that "they needed that tactic" rubish.

How did Kakashi know where Obito is from a different dimension? He can do it

Naruto DOES NOT have those means, i don't know what you are talking about. And why didn't they send Kakashi's clone? Plot. Naruto was the one to break his mask. Or whathever reason you can think off.

Kakashi knows where Obito is from different dimensions.

 

[Lord Tywin]

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Kakashi knows where Obito is from different dimensions.

That might not be the case. It was shown that the duo can see what each other sees, so that might be the case

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto doesn't have the means to do it FROM DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS.



Keep repeting that "they needed that tactic" rubish.

How did Kakashi know where Obito is from a different dimension? He can do it

Naruto DOES NOT have those means, i don't know what you are talking about. And why didn't they send Kakashi's clone? Plot. Naruto was the one to break his mask. Or whathever reason you can think off.

Kakashi knows where Obito is from different dimensions.

What are you talking about? Why the hell would he need to do it from different dimensions when Naruto's clone in the other dimension only needs to sense Obito when he shows up in that dimension? If what you were saying was possible, instead of wasting time timing their attacks, Kakashi simply would've warped Naruto's clone to the other side, and when Obito's body parts show up in the other dimension Naruto senses his chakra and then attacks him. The only thing different about what you are saying here is that Kakashi will be the one going instead of Naruto. That doesn't erase the issue. Your post doesn't address the issue. :lol

:lol Just stop already. You aren't even making sense anymore.

 

[makosheva7]

Both sides of the argument on this thread make sense. Which leads me to conclude that warping out of the Kamui dimension (for Kakashi) works differently than it does for warping things into it.

After all, Obito's eye is the one that specializes in warping himself and things in contact with him into and out of it without restriction.

....Or all this Kamui dimension business is just inconsistent writing by Kishi...

I see Kakashi coming out on top in the end, as I think their respective Kamui abilities will cancel out, and without the Rinnegan, Obito loses to Kakashi's range of jutsu. So Kakashi high diff.

 

[Booker]

Without any Kamui techs Kakashi wins. Obito was a piss-poor Rinnegan and Mokuton user.