War arc Kakashi takes the gauntlet fixed

[The Messiah]

Location: Destroyed Hidden Leaf

Distance: 50 meters

Intel: They all know how kamui works. Kakashi has no Intel.

Round 1: SRA Gaara (Shukaku restricted) , 5 gate Lee, and KN1 Naruto

Round 2: Hiashi, War arc Neji, and Hinata (she has kyuubi cloak Naruto gave her)

Round 3: Killer Bee (Hachibi chakra restricted), Ay (lightning armor restricted), and Darui

Round 4: Deidara (CO restricted) Hidan, and Kakuzu

Round 5: 7 Gates Gai

Round 6: Madara (only 3t) and Hebi Sasuke (Manda 2 restricted)

 

[KidGamer65]

I thought you fixed it? :lol. Only 5 and 6 are debatable matches. And really 5 isn't that debatable. :lol It seems like you figured adding more people would help when in reality Kamui is too fast and these people are too slow to overwhelm Kakashi while he warps a single person away.

1. Kamui shits. The only one who could possibly create issues for it is Gaara, but Kakashi as of the War can teleport and snipe so there's no issue there tbh.

2. Kamui wins again. 2 shots, one to take out Hiashi and one to take out Hinata then Neji is beaten without it. They can't evade it, they can't interrupt it as long as Kakashi isn't in their face when it's used nor can they block LoS.

3. None can dodge Kamui. None can block it. None can deal with Kakashi once he starts combining offensive techs like Raikiri with Kamui's teleportation aspect.

4. A novice Kakashi took Deidara's arm with Kamui despite him aiming for the head. Kakashi obviously wins this match.

5. Only match that Kakashi has a very high chance of losing. If Gai gets careless and strikes a Raiton clone (Kakashi should easily be able to call one from 50m away) then he'd lose, but Gai knows Kakashi's fighting style too well. Asa Kujaku and Hirudora are both techniques that are lethal without Gai needing to physically touch the clones Kakashi makes. Gai can dodge Kamui too, and Kakashi can't react to him in close quarters.

So he gets beaten to the ground. Comfortably.

6. Madara and Sasuke win. Madara's Katon cover the entire battlefield and he has clones. That should protect him and Sasuke from Kamui warp long enough to light him up with Kirin or just tire him out. Clones are pointless as Madara can tell them from the original and teleportation is equally as pointless. He won't blindside one without the other doing something about it, and self warping can be interrupted from the Gudo Dama from around 10-20m away I believe. So that doesn't let him counter Kirin when it comes, and trust me, it will.

 

[The Messiah]

I thought you fixed it? :lol. Only 5 and 6 are debatable matches. And really 5 isn't that debatable. :lol It seems like you figured adding more people would help when in reality Kamui is too fast and these people are too slow to overwhelm Kakashi while he warps a single person away.

1. Kamui shits. The only one who could possibly create issues for it is Gaara, but Kakashi as of the War can teleport and snipe so there's no issue there tbh.

2. Kamui wins again. 2 shots, one to take out Hiashi and one to take out Hinata then Neji is beaten without it. They can't evade it, they can't interrupt it as long as Kakashi isn't in their face when it's used nor can they block LoS.

3. None can dodge Kamui. None can block it. None can deal with Kakashi once he starts combining offensive techs like Raikiri with Kamui's teleportation aspect.

4. A novice Kakashi took Deidara's arm with Kamui despite him aiming for the head. Kakashi obviously wins this match.

5. Only match that Kakashi has a very high chance of losing. If Gai gets careless and strikes a Raiton clone (Kakashi should easily be able to call one from 50m away) then he'd lose, but Gai knows Kakashi's fighting style too well. Asa Kujaku and Hirudora are both techniques that are lethal without Gai needing to physically touch the clones Kakashi makes. Gai can dodge Kamui too, and Kakashi can't react to him in close quarters.

So he gets beaten to the ground. Comfortably.

6. Madara and Sasuke win. Madara's Katon cover the entire battlefield and he has clones. That should protect him and Sasuke from Kamui warp long enough to light him up with Kirin or just tire him out. Clones are pointless as Madara can tell them from the original and teleportation is equally as pointless. He won't blindside one without the other doing something about it, and self warping can be interrupted from the Gudo Dama from around 10-20m away I believe. So that doesn't let him counter Kirin when it comes, and trust me, it will.

At least there's some type of competition. Maybe I'm just underestimating war arc Kakashi I'm gonna read some chapters over again to get a better idea of how strong war arc Kakashi is.

 

[Zexion~]

Team 4 wins

 

[ToshiZO]

At least there's some type of competition. Maybe I'm just underestimating war arc Kakashi I'm gonna read some chapters over again to get a better idea of how strong war arc Kakashi is.

Lmfao you don't need to reread anything, only need to know that Kamui is hax of the highest caliber. That is what you are failing to see.

 

[KidGamer65]

At least there's some type of competition. Maybe I'm just underestimating war arc Kakashi I'm gonna read some chapters over again to get a better idea of how strong war arc Kakashi is.

Lmfao you don't need to reread anything, only need to know that Kamui is hax of the highest caliber. That is what you are failing to see.

Nothing more needs to be said here tbh.

 

[EZQ]

I thought you fixed it? :lol. Only 5 and 6 are debatable matches. And really 5 isn't that debatable. :lol It seems like you figured adding more people would help when in reality Kamui is too fast and these people are too slow to overwhelm Kakashi while he warps a single person away.

1. Kamui shits. The only one who could possibly create issues for it is Gaara, but Kakashi as of the War can teleport and snipe so there's no issue there tbh.

2. Kamui wins again. 2 shots, one to take out Hiashi and one to take out Hinata then Neji is beaten without it. They can't evade it, they can't interrupt it as long as Kakashi isn't in their face when it's used nor can they block LoS.

3. None can dodge Kamui. None can block it. None can deal with Kakashi once he starts combining offensive techs like Raikiri with Kamui's teleportation aspect.

4. A novice Kakashi took Deidara's arm with Kamui despite him aiming for the head. Kakashi obviously wins this match.

5. Only match that Kakashi has a very high chance of losing. If Gai gets careless and strikes a Raiton clone (Kakashi should easily be able to call one from 50m away) then he'd lose, but Gai knows Kakashi's fighting style too well. Asa Kujaku and Hirudora are both techniques that are lethal without Gai needing to physically touch the clones Kakashi makes. Gai can dodge Kamui too, and Kakashi can't react to him in close quarters.

So he gets beaten to the ground. Comfortably.

6. Madara and Sasuke win. Madara's Katon cover the entire battlefield and he has clones. That should protect him and Sasuke from Kamui warp long enough to light him up with Kirin or just tire him out. Clones are pointless as Madara can tell them from the original and teleportation is equally as pointless. He won't blindside one without the other doing something about it, and self warping can be interrupted from the Gudo Dama from around 10-20m away I believe. So that doesn't let him counter Kirin when it comes, and trust me, it will.

MS Sasuke couldn't track Ay's speed, Kakashi needs that to warp. I think Kakashi loses scenario 3 if Ay starts with lightining cloak.

Kakashi's kamui works faster than Madara's fire jutsu since it needs hand seals. Kakashi warps him away and then beats Sasuke with kamui too

Edit: Oh just saw cloak restricted

 

[KidGamer65]

MS Sasuke couldn't track Ay's speed, Kakashi needs that to warp. I think Kakashi loses scenario 3 if Ay starts with lightining cloak.

Kakashi's kamui works faster than Madara's fire jutsu since it needs hand seals. Kakashi warps him away and then beats Sasuke with kamui too

Edit: Oh just saw cloak restricted

Kakashi has zero intel and they have full intel+way to make Kamui almost useless against them so there's no way that they are getting sniped off the bat like that. Only reason intel doesn't affect the other fights is because Gai poops on him either way, and the rest can't make countermeasures to take Kamui out of the equation nor can they defeat Kakashi before he realizes he needs Kamui.

 

[Zexion~]

Team 4 still wins.

Kakuzu spams massive fuuton that causes a MASSIVE amount of dust in this location, C4 is released quietly and if Kakashi can still see the C4 particles even within the dust the only thing he can do here is go underground which puts him at a huge disadvantage.

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi has zero intel and they have full intel+way to make Kamui almost useless against them so there's no way that they are getting sniped off the bat like that. Only reason intel doesn't affect the other fights is because Gai poops on him either way, and the rest can't make countermeasures to take Kamui out of the equation nor can they defeat Kakashi before he realizes he needs Kamui.

I'm accostumed of arguing off character Kakashi who snipes off the batt. He's always put up against opponents he doesn't stand a chance without kamui...

Anyways, if Kakashi goes below the ground to avoid Madara's katon, then sends up a lightining clone from point A and he comes up from point B, he could snipe the distracted if he has good timing. I doubt Madara can keep using fire of that scale without a cooldown. The distance is 50 m and while the fire is on the battlefield Sasuke can't come close, so after the fire ends the distance is still 50 m, if Kakashi does what i already mentioned he has plenty of time

Edit: When was it stated that Madara with 3 tomoe can tell the difference between clones? I don't remember this

 

[KidGamer65]

Team 4 still wins.

Kakuzu spams massive fuuton that causes a MASSIVE amount of dust in this location, C4 is released quietly and if Kakashi can still see the C4 particles even within the dust the only thing he can do here is go underground which puts him at a huge disadvantage.

Sharingan can see chakra through solid pillars, so dust won't stop him from seeing the giant cloud of chakra that is C4. From there on Kakashi warps the entire cloud away with Kamui instead of risking getting caught by it.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm accostumed of arguing off character Kakashi who snipes off the batt. He's always put up against opponents he doesn't stand a chance without kamui...

Anyways, if Kakashi goes below the ground to avoid Madara's katon, then sends up a lightining clone from point A and he comes up from point B, he could snipe the distracted if he has good timing. I doubt Madara can keep using fire of that scale without a cooldown. The distance is 50 m and while the fire is on the battlefield Sasuke can't come close, so after the fire ends the distance is still 50 m, if Kakashi does what i already mentioned he has plenty of time

You are going to have to explain what you mean here. If the fact that it's a clone is what will distract Madara then good luck since Madara can tell clones from the original without fail, and he'd be wise to pay no attention to the clone since it's likely that no regular MS user will be using MS techs with clones.

And this doesn't address the fact that Madara has clones.

 

[Zexion~]

Sharingan can see chakra through solid pillars, so dust won't stop him from seeing the giant cloud of chakra that is C4. From there on Kakashi warps the entire cloud away with Kamui instead of risking getting caught by it.

I was suggesting he use a smaller one than Garuda, can he really warp an Atsugai sized cloud away? Kakuzu can spam quite a bit of jutsu one after the other, using his fire-wind combo I don't see why Deidara couldn't shoot a C2 missile through it when Kakashi is using Kamui to catch him off guard, I see too many large scale distractions for Kakashi to accurately snipe Kakuzu and Deidara, not to mention clone feints that Sasuke fell to.

 

[EZQ]

You are going to have to explain what you mean here. If the fact that it's a clone is what will distract Madara then good luck since Madara can tell clones from the original without fail, and he'd be wise to pay no attention to the clone since it's likely that no regular MS user will be using MS techs with clones.

And this doesn't address the fact that Madara has clones.

I asked when was it stated that Madara can tell the difference between clones with 3 tomoe. I think it was stated he could do it with EMS. Sharingan can't tell the difference between clones as far as i remember, seeing Kakashi, Obito, Itachi and Sasuke being caught by them. If he can then Kakashi doesn't win.

With madara's clones Sasuke is still getting warped.

NVM, Kakashi doesn't win even if Madara can't tell the difference between clones. With full knowledge it's fire+ make a bunch of clones, so Kakashi warps Sasuke but then he has to take down Madara with Kamui being completely nullyfied by the clones, and 3t Madara >>>>> 3t Kakashi.

Kakashi still wins out of character tho... in fact, the only name of Madara made him want to use Kamui snipe on Obito right off the bat after his fight with Sasuke, so he could use it here despite not having knowledge.

Edit: Madara has kage bunshin? He used mokuton bunshin like nothing so that's evidence he handles the kage bunshin tech pretty well, but is there actual proof he has them?

 

[KidGamer65]

I asked when was it stated that Madara can tell the difference between clones with 3 tomoe. I think it was stated he could do it with EMS. Sharingan can't tell the difference between clones as far as i remember, seeing Kakashi, Obito, Itachi and Sasuke being caught by them. If he can then Kakashi doesn't win.

With madara's clones Sasuke is still getting warped.

NVM, Kakashi doesn't win even if Madara can't tell the difference between clones. With full knowledge it's fire+ make a bunch of clones, so Kakashi warps Sasuke but then he has to take down Madara with Kamui being completely nullyfied by the clones, and 3t Madara >>>>> 3t Kakashi.

Kakashi still wins out of character tho... in fact, the only name of Madara made him want to use Kamui snipe on Obito right off the bat after his fight with Sasuke, so he could use it here despite not having knowledge.

Madara said that his Dojutsu let him see through Hashirama's clones in their repeated battles. They only fought twice after getting EMS, and clone deciphering wasn't a factor at VoTE as we saw. So no, EMS has no special ability that allows you to see through clones.

Sasuke getting warped doesn't really matter because Madara doesn't need his help to win, but even then, Sasuke can simply hide behind Madara's clones and focus on setting up Kirin if he ever needs to use it, though Madara do that just as easily considering the scale of his Katon.

No intel is no intel. So Kakashi shouldn't know anything about these two.

 

[KidGamer65]

I was suggesting he use a smaller one than Garuda, can he really warp an Atsugai sized cloud away? Kakuzu can spam quite a bit of jutsu one after the other, using his fire-wind combo I don't see why Deidara couldn't shoot a C2 missile through it when Kakashi is using Kamui to catch him off guard, I see too many large scale distractions for Kakashi to accurately snipe Kakuzu and Deidara, not to mention clone feints that Sasuke fell to.

It may be a large cloud, but it's just smoke. Not to mention he doesn't need to warp the entire cloud, only the C4. And how is Deidara going to use C2 and hit Kakashi before he warps C4 away? We've already seen how fast Kamui is, and the size of the jutsu doesn't increase the warp time, only the amount of chakra spent warping it. Worst case scenario, Kakashi warps to another angle and warps the cloud from there.

If Deidara is on his bird and Kakuzu is using his elemental Ninjutsu, all Kakashi needs to do is warp to where Deidara is and destroy his bird with Raiden or Lightning Wolf. Or he warps to Kakuzu and attacks him with Lightning Wolf.

Kakashi can teleport, he doesn't need to snipe these 2 in order to defeat them when Raikiri and it's variants are just as lethal to these two.

 

[Zexion~]

It may be a large cloud, but it's just smoke. Not to mention he doesn't need to warp the entire cloud, only the C4. And how is Deidara going to use C2 and hit Kakashi before he warps C4 away? We've already seen how fast Kamui is, and the size of the jutsu doesn't increase the warp time, only the amount of chakra spent warping it. Worst case scenario, Kakashi warps to another angle and warps the cloud from there.

If Deidara is on his bird and Kakuzu is using his elemental Ninjutsu, all Kakashi needs to do is warp to where Deidara is and destroy his bird with Raiden or Lightning Wolf. Or he warps to Kakuzu and attacks him with Lightning Wolf.

Kakashi can teleport, he doesn't need to snipe these 2 in order to defeat them when Raikiri and it's variants are just as lethal to these two.

Since when has War Arc been able to reliably teleport like that? Kakuzu blows the wolf away with his fuuton every time, plus he has to hit him 5 times with that shit, also he can't warp to where Deidar ais unless its on the bird and clone feints could be used easily here. Kakuzu could give a mask (Katon to support Deidara as well. He can't take down two at once with just his raiton.

 

[KidGamer65]

Since when has War Arc been able to reliably teleport like that? Kakuzu blows the wolf away with his fuuton every time, plus he has to hit him 5 times with that shit, also he can't warp to where Deidar ais unless its on the bird and clone feints could be used easily here. Kakuzu could give a mask (Katon to support Deidara as well. He can't take down two at once with just his raiton.

Ever since he teleported to Obito after the latter got beat by Naruto. :lol Dont try to make some argument like " hes only warped once thus he cant do it in battle here"

And unless Kakuzu has the feats to react well enough to a warp+Rakiri or Raikiri wolf from behind with Fuuton no less thats definitely never happening. Or he simply uses kamui snipe after warping behind him. Obito is slower than Kakashi, and he only missed Naruto with

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warp because Kakashi warned him. Naruto>>>>Kakuzu and Deidara in speed. Kakashi>>Kakuzu in speed. Kakashi>Deidara in speed.

And he can warp to wherever Deidara is. Doesn't matter where he is. Clone feints protect him from one strike, then he gets killed by the next.

 

[super yang]

he loses every match unless he has susano'o

 

[Zexion~]

Ever since he teleported to Obito after the latter got beat by Naruto. :lol Dont try to make some argument like " hes only warped once thus he cant do it in battle here"

And unless Kakuzu has the feats to react well enough to a warp+Rakiri or Raikiri wolf from behind with Fuuton no less thats definitely never happening. Or he simply uses kamui snipe after warping behind him. Obito is slower than Kakashi, and he only missed Naruto with

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warp because Kakashi warned him. Naruto>>>>Kakuzu and Deidara in speed. Kakashi>>Kakuzu in speed. Kakashi>Deidara in speed.

And he can warp to wherever Deidara is. Doesn't matter where he is. Clone feints protect him from one strike, then he gets killed by the next.

He might not react to the first one but after seeing the warping ability his reactions increase that much more, if he goes into threaded mode reacting would be rather easy as wherever he comes out of the warp he gets blasted with threads. Am I wrong in saying that sound can be heard from the warping? Kakashi warned Naruto but we don't know if thats the only reason, also since when is Kakashi over Obito in speed? Last time I checked Obito was taking on Gai, KCM and Kakashi himself.

However can't he just warp and snipe?

Scan of him warping to Obito would be lit please