[Discussion] Does Oda think Akainu>Kaido?

[TRE MERCER]

Kaido got sent to prison plenty of times actually and I'm pretty sure he can get the same treatment, if half dead old wb is doing that to a to tier character then he by all means does the same for kaido who is also a top tier

plus it isn't really losing, he was up few minutes after taking little to no damage (Although he was out of the picture for a while lol), but even if you do consider it an l then nothing suggests that kaido can't get that treatment as well

Lol actually no if WB that fought Akainu were to fight Kaido he would get slumped over. Kaido is by far the most durable person in the Manga so by default he would take less damage than Akainu after being hit by WB punches. All he does is get one or two good hits in on that beaten WB and he's down for the count. That WB couldn't even muster up enough strength to put down Akainu so how in the hell would he put down Kaido in the same manner when Kaido durability>>>>>Akainu's. What does Kaido being sent to prison mean? It was stated in the Manga Kaido has never lost a 1v1.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Oda said that he is so strong that alone can find One Piece si yeah.Right in the New World he is more powerful than was in the first half

Stop lying. That would imply that Akainu alone could take Kaidou Jack and everybody else apart of the beast pirates which is completely false.

 

[chopstickchakra]

But to find OP you need the 4 Ponyglyphs and Kaido has one of em so you how do you think Akainu will take it from him?

He doesn't habe to take it like Robin said he can copy it and he has CP squads which are spies to gather info for him.

 

[A v i]

I think people misunderstood what Oda said, he said that if the MC were to be as strong as Akainu, then he'll have to end the series within a year as there won't be much room for the MC to grow stronger from east blue fodder to one of the strongest in the world. This applies to any top tier in the series. So if the MC were to be as strong as Kaido, then the time it takes to end the series would be even less than what it takes for someone as strong as Akainu.

Remember, he replaced MC with Akainu/someone as strong as Akainu in which case the plot would be on his side. Nothing in the world can stop a top tier, if plot is on his side.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Lol actually no if WB that fought Akainu were to fight Kaido he would get slumped over. Kaido is by far the most durable person in the Manga so by default he would take less damage than Akainu after being hit by WB punches. All he does is get one or two good hits in on that beaten WB and he's down for the count. That WB couldn't even muster up enough strength to put down Akainu so how in the hell would he put down Kaido in the same manner when Kaido durability>>>>>Akainu's. What does Kaido being sent to prison mean? It was stated in the Manga Kaido has never lost a 1v1.

Most durable? On what basis did you decide that? And yeah he was locked up by the wg and was defeated 7 times

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Being sent to prison implies defeat most of the time, plus it blatantly states that he lost 7 times, so he isn't undisputed.

The most durable shall remain to be Jozu. Being buff doesn't guarantee durability.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Most durable? On what basis did you decide that? And yeah he was locked up by the wg and was defeated 7 times

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Being sent to prison implies defeat most of the time, plus it blatantly states that he lost 7 times, so he isn't undisputed.

The most durable shall remain to be Jozu. Being buff doesn't guarantee durability.

You do realize that Kaido wasn't always as strong as he currently is right?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Most durable? On what basis did you decide that? And yeah he was locked up by the wg and was defeated 7 times

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Being sent to prison implies defeat most of the time, plus it blatantly states that he lost 7 times, so he isn't undisputed.

The most durable shall remain to be Jozu. Being buff doesn't guarantee durability.

It doesn't say he was captured 1 on 1 but it says always bet on Kaidou in 1 on 1.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Most durable? On what basis did you decide that? And yeah he was locked up by the wg and was defeated 7 times

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Being sent to prison implies defeat most of the time, plus it blatantly states that he lost 7 times, so he isn't undisputed.

The most durable shall remain to be Jozu. Being buff doesn't guarantee durability.

Irrelevant when he never lost a 1 on 1 battle. I was using his durability as to reasons why he would easily tank that beating WB gave Akainu so na. Also don't compare Jozu to Kaido.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

You do realize that Kaido wasn't always as strong as he currently is right?

you do realize that this point is irrelevant since the dude literally said he never lost when he did.....like 7 times

Irrelevant when he never lost a 1 on 1 battle. I was using his durability as to reasons why he would easily tank that beating WB gave Akainu so na. Also don't compare Jozu to Kaido.

"Hes a man who has tasted defeat 7 times" lol denial is not gonna get us anywhere now, ok.


And yes, it's much safer option to be the most durable than kaido at this point. Saying he's the most durable is purely basless.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

It doesn't say he was captured 1 on 1 but it says always bet on Kaidou in 1 on 1.

That's not the same as "he never lost 1v1" though

 

[HashiraMadara]

Buggy can be swallowed by a whale and end up washed ashore in Raftel

 

[chopstickchakra]

That's not the same as "he never lost 1v1" though

It's implying it. Just because he didn't use the exact words you'd like doesn't change the context. The context of that statement was in a 1 on 1 Kaidou will win. It never said he lost 1v1 so what's the point of bringing up his capture info?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

It's implying it. Just because he didn't use the exact words you'd like doesn't change the context. The context of that statement was in a 1 on 1 Kaidou will win. It never said he lost 1v1 so what's the point of bringing up his capture info?

The context was never that. It was kaidos reputation in 1v1 conflicts, which he happens to be extremely good at, nothing about never losing, the narrator simply mentioned that it is always the best to bet on kaido in fights...

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

you do realize that this point is irrelevant since the dude literally said he never lost when he did.....like 7 times

"Hes a man who has tasted defeat 7 times" lol denial is not gonna get us anywhere now, ok.


And yes, it's much safer option to be the most durable than kaido at this point. Saying he's the most durable is purely basless.

My bad I thought you were trying to use that to say that Kaido isn't the strongest alive character.

 

[chopstickchakra]

The context was never that. It was kaidos reputation in 1v1 conflicts, which he happens to be extremely good at, nothing about never losing, the narrator simply mentioned that it is always the best to bet on kaido in fights...

Believe what you'd like. The manga said in a 1v1 ALWAYS bet on Kaidou, that means in a 1v1 Kaidou will always win.

 

[Bogard]

I think people misunderstood what Oda said, he said that if the MC were to be as strong as Akainu, then he'll have to end the series within a year as there won't be much room for the MC to grow stronger from east blue fodder to one of the strongest in the world. This applies to any top tier in the series. So if the MC were to be as strong as Kaido, then the time it takes to end the series would be even less than what it takes for someone as strong as Akainu.

Remember, he replaced MC with Akainu/someone as strong as Akainu in which case the plot would be on his side. Nothing in the world can stop a top tier, if plot is on his side.

Basically this. I fail to see how people can't understand such a basic reasoning. He said that if he started his manga with his protagonist already as strong as someone like Akainu, it would put an end to one piece in a year(manga time) and he is right. Considering someone of that level is already the closest to the one piece. Yet if he gains the same advantages protagonists usually get from going from arcs to arcs, growing stronger, gaining allies, their special plot powers, etc, obviously the manga would be much shorter than if his protagonist started as weak as Luffy. What he said could have been similar said to any other top tier starting the manga that strong. Actually when you take that into consideration, a year manga time would be too big actually

 

[LBeezy]

I think people misunderstood what Oda said, he said that if the MC were to be as strong as Akainu, then he'll have to end the series within a year as there won't be much room for the MC to grow stronger from east blue fodder to one of the strongest in the world. This applies to any top tier in the series. So if the MC were to be as strong as Kaido, then the time it takes to end the series would be even less than what it takes for someone as strong as Akainu.

Remember, he replaced MC with Akainu/someone as strong as Akainu in which case the plot would be on his side. Nothing in the world can stop a top tier, if plot is on his side.

Basically this. I fail to see how people can't understand such a basic reasoning. He said that if he started his manga with his protagonist already as strong as someone like Akainu, it would put an end to one piece in a year(manga time) and he is right. Considering someone of that level is already the closest to the one piece. Yet if he gains the same advantages protagonists usually get from going from arcs to arcs, growing stronger, gaining allies, their special plot powers, etc, obviously the manga would be much shorter than if his protagonist started as weak as Luffy. What he said could have been similar said to any other top tier starting the manga that strong. Actually when you take that into consideration, a year manga time would be too big actually

These posts really hit the nail on the head.. imo.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Why would an old half dead Emperor be able to beat a healthy possibly prime Emperor?

Because half dead emperor is considered strongest.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Because half dead emperor is considered strongest.

Yepp in his prime not his Marineford self even WB himself said he was not the strongest anymore.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Yepp in his prime not his Marineford self even WB himself said he was not the strongest anymore.

Could you show me where did he said that?