Databook 4 Biggest Error

[NarutoX28]

YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?????? WTFFFF *****AA ITOLD YOU SHOW ME SAME SCALE OF KATON USED BY SASUKE
AS THIS .... HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAKE UP *****AA AHAHAHAHAHHAHA SRSLY GTFO.... ****ING TROLLER...

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Yeah, you're an absolute moron.

I accept your concession now.

 

[NarutoX28]

To be fair, When he cast that jutsu against tsunade, Edo tensei was being released.

It caused madara's susanoo to dissipate

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Since if affected his susanoo like it did, i think it's safe to assume it affected all his chakra based abilities

Great point.

I'm fine with that, but what I'm not okay with is people disregarding Sasuke's capabilities just because he's never shown Large Scale Katon in the first place.

 

[UnknownJin]

Yeah, you're an absolute moron.

I accept your concession now.

w.e... fanboy

 

[NarutoX28]

w.e... fanboy

I presented concrete evidence that came straight from the manga and databook yet you choose to disregard it and ignore all of my points because of your bias. You haven't presented anything other than, "No feats, lmao" which can apply to many characters, even ones who are portrayed to be very powerful. The "No feats" argument is a shitty argument and I'd suggest that this argument isn't used as the basis for all of your debates.

Your final argument is simply presenting a feat that I've already been aware about. You presented nothing new to convince me otherwise.

 

[UnknownJin]

Oh wait...

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[Awkward Linguist]

So, he can match Itachi's Katon and overpower it too , break apart the hideout's wall

Yes.​

but can't tear up the ground, which was done by Itachi's Katon at 30 % of its strength? And what does "serious" usage mean? Is he nonserious in all of this?

Show me this scan of Itachi tearing up the ground. This is probably a case of us having different understanding of tearing up the ground. For me it's making a crator, and anything less is just moderate damage achievable by anyone who can put some power and compression into his/her fireball.​

Compressed fire jutsus show firm shapes. These do not. Again, it has nothing to do with the size but with the potency of the flames. Yet, his flames still failed to burrow through the gaps. But, he breaks walls?

Oh really? Then do explain why Sasuke's dragon jutsu was able to break through the hideout wall and Madara's was lol-diffed by Tsunade - despite looking almost exactly the same (having firm shape). Like I already said, you aren't able to discern whether a katon jutsu is compressed just by looking at its drawing. And I have already addressed why the fire stream wasn't able go through gaps deep in DFE in my previous post.

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[lndra]

Adult EMS Sauce (No Rinnegan or Rikudou chakra) should at least be on EMS Madara's level going by Oro's statement and the fact that Sasuke is the current Indra reincarnation. Both their full power is PS, both fueled by their Choku Tomoe Mangekyo, nothing suggests Sasuke couldn't get on Madara's level on his own especially when it was practically meant to happen.

I agree. Would that still make Hashirama the strongest shinobi if theoretically, Naruto and Sasuke only improved moderately with the powers they had before the Rikudou boosts?

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Adult EMS Sauce (No Rinnegan or Rikudou chakra) should at least be on EMS Madara's level going by Oro's statement and the fact that Sasuke is the current Indra reincarnation. Both their full power is PS, both fueled by their Choku Tomoe Mangekyo, nothing suggests Sasuke couldn't get on Madara's level on his own especially when it was practically meant to happen.

I really don't see the need to subtract powerups from them besides the Juubi since Jins are a different type of power that can actually be removed and isn't permanent. When Orochimaru said Sasuke would surpass MAdara he did exactly that when he started the fight with JJ Madara

 

[SasukeSixPack]

****t up...****t up shit...

Leaving the thread is the best thing you could do :lol trying to say Madara is stronger because he showed more powerful Katon Jutsu. Base Naruto showed stronger Rasengan types than Minato, does that mean he's stronger? No. Your logic fails

 

[Ambivalence]

I agree. Would that still make Hashirama the strongest shinobi if theoretically, Naruto and Sasuke only improved moderately with the powers they had before the Rikudou boosts?

Sadly, Hashirama is still too strong for either of them without their Rikudou powers. And yeah, he's the most powerful non-Rikudou character.

I really don't see the need to subtract powerups from them besides the Juubi since Jins are a different type of power that can actually be removed and isn't permanent. When Orochimaru said Sasuke would surpass MAdara he did exactly that when he started the fight with JJ Madara

I subtracted their Rikudou buffs leaving only their own powers, regarding which they're either tied or Sasuke is above Madara.

And no, Rinnegan Sasuke isn't above JJ Madara. The only version he can overpower is 1R JJ, but he can't put him down. Any version above that Madara beats any version of Sasuke.

That statement was clearly meant to imply Sasuke's own power would surpass Madara's own power, in time.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Sadly, Hashirama is still too strong for either of them without their Rikudou powers. And yeah, he's the most powerful non-Rikudou character.

Doesn't mean they wouldn't get to his level without it. Databook said this too:


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両者の力は互角。変わらぬマダラと里のために変わった柱間。紙一重の差が勝敗を分けた。

They are equal in strength. Madara remained unchanged, but Hashirama changed for the sake of the village. A paper-thin difference (between the two of them) decided victory or defeat. """


As long as they get above EMS MAdara they should be at or above Hashirama's level since it's a paper thin difference

 

[Ambivalence]

Doesn't mean they wouldn't get to his level without it. Databook said this too:


"""Top Caption

両者の力は互角。変わらぬマダラと里のために変わった柱間。紙一重の差が勝敗を分けた。

They are equal in strength. Madara remained unchanged, but Hashirama changed for the sake of the village. A paper-thin difference (between the two of them) decided victory or defeat. """


As long as they get above EMS MAdara they should be at or above Hashirama's level since it's a paper thin difference

Lol, which Databook is this? EMS Madara is not equal to Hashirama, not even close. Hell, him and 100% Kurama couldn't bring him down even though it was a close battle, which is what the paper-thin difference is referring to. So Naruto (Full Kurama) + Sasuke (PS) would probably beat him, but individually? Nope.

 

[lndra]

Sadly, Hashirama is still too strong for either of them without their Rikudou powers. And yeah, he's the most powerful non-Rikudou character.



I subtracted their Rikudou buffs leaving only their own powers, regarding which they're either tied or Sasuke is above Madara.

And no, Rinnegan Sasuke isn't above JJ Madara. The only version he can overpower is 1R JJ, but he can't put him down. Any version above that Madara beats any version of Sasuke.

That statement was clearly meant to imply Sasuke's own power would surpass Madara's own power, in time.

Damn that Hashi!!!

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Lol, which Databook is this? EMS Madara is not equal to Hashirama, not even close. Hell, him and 100% Kurama couldn't bring him down even though it was a close battle, which is what the paper-thin difference is referring to. So Naruto (Full Kurama) + Sasuke (PS) would probably beat him, but individually? Nope.

It's Databook 4

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I beg to question the bold :lol IIRC duing the fight EMS Madara beat Hashi out of SM without the Kyuubi's help

 

[21Cabbage]

Technically Madara is the strongest Uchiha without power ups.

Not really, EMS Sasuke in his prime would be stronger than EMS Madara

 

[Blackzoro]

U probably the worst Sasuke wanker on this base every thread u make is a wank thread

 

[NarutoX28]

Doesn't mean they wouldn't get to his level without it. Databook said this too:


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両者の力は互角。変わらぬマダラと里のために変わった柱間。紙一重の差が勝敗を分けた。

They are equal in strength. Madara remained unchanged, but Hashirama changed for the sake of the village. A paper-thin difference (between the two of them) decided victory or defeat. """


As long as they get above EMS MAdara they should be at or above Hashirama's level since it's a paper thin difference

Full Kurama was a part of his full power at the time considering Jinchuuriki hadn't even existed during that era.

 

[Ambivalence]

I beg to question the bold :lol IIRC duing the fight EMS Madara beat Hashi out of SM without the Kyuubi's help

Yeah, in combat without using nearly their full power. And Madara still lost. Only reason Madara got to that stage anyway was because of Kurama's 12 BD destroying a large portion of SS's arms. Without that, Madara would've gotten pummeled from Choujo Kebutsu full assault. Guess that statement was taking into account Kurama as if it was part of Madara's own power.

EMS/Edo Madara can match up to SM Mokujin Hashirama, and that was shown in canon twice - once in VoTE, where they were stalemating until Hashirama brought out SS which was only countered and survived because of Kurama, the other time in the War Arc, where Hashirama fought and managed to immobilize full-powered Edo Madara via Mokuryuu/Myojinmon, therefore he won. Madara didn't have any answer to SS at VoTE without Kurama, then lost again without SS even being used, clearly indicating Madara is not equal to Hashirama's full power. Facts of the manga. I'm done here.

 

[Edogawa]

There is no error. The opinion of the author is official, while any fanboy disagreement should be ignored. The author portrayed Madara more powerful because of his hypothetical potential accessibility to an arsenal that Sasuke lacks. Every version of Madara correlated to Sasuke is stronger.

Sharingan Madara > Sharingan Sasuke.
EMS Madara > EMS Sasuke.
Rinnegan Madara > Rinnegan Sasuke.

You should personally consult the author and tell him you're butthurt that your favourite character gets child molested by the overwhelming powerful Uchiha Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. That statement obviously refers to Madara back when he was alive as the context of that entire first couple sentences is about Madara when he was the head of the Uchiha clan. So there is no discrepancy.

2. Even if it wasn't referring to that time JJ Madara w/ both eyes is stronger than any Sasuke shown during the Manga up to the Kaguya fight, and he's stronger than any Sasuke post Kaguya fight and post Manga. So the statement still isn't wrong.