Databook 4 Biggest Error

[TheSages456]

Ironic.

Author wanted to set the stage for Sasuke surpassing Madara and that's exactly what happened.

Not wasting my time since I can tell that you aren't objective in the slightest. Nothing from the author indicates that War arc Sasuke was intended to surpass Madara. Nothing.

 

[NarutoX28]

With Fire power lvl genin ? Pls ... bro

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When Sasuke have this kind of Katon - then we can talk untill then Madara > Sasuke

He displayed it against Itachi.

The only reason why Sasuke's Katon are on a much smaller scale is because he deliberately compresses all of his chakra into his Katon which makes for a more compact and powerful attack. This was already explained in a Databook Entry.

Scale is very important, but it's not everything.

 

[21Cabbage]

I thought it was confirmed that madara was the strongest indra transmigrant

That title goes to Sasuke because he was pulling the same feats as EMS Madara in his prime even though he was only 16, Kishi made it pretty clear he would surpass Madara's level.

If you compare their eye power Sasuke has the strongest cause he has two dojutsu instead of one. Without the Juubi's power Madara is weaker than Sasuke, and if you gave Sasuke the Juubi's power he'd be a level above JJ Madara.

 

[NarutoX28]

Madara was never the strongest Indra Transmigrant in the first place. Indra's chakra weakened through many generations, so it's rather clear that the earlier Indra Transmigrants were always stronger. The only thing Black Zetsu mentioned that separated himself from all of the previous transmigrants was his capacity to obtain the Rinnegan.

 

[UnknownJin]

He displayed it against Itachi.

The only reason why Sasuke's Katon are on a much smaller scale is because he deliberately compresses all of his chakra into his Katon which makes for a more compact and powerful attack. This was already explained in a Databook Entry.

Scale is very important, but it's not everything.

He showed this feat against Itachi? ..... Sasuke never showed this kind of Katon...ever
+Madara chakra is much more stronger and have a lot more then Sasuke

 

[shelke]

He showed this feat against Itachi? ..... Sasuke never showed this kind of Katon...ever
+Madara chakra is much more stronger and have a lot more then Sasuke

His dragon katon attack broke open the thick hideout wall and went all the way up to start a thunder-storm. Sasuke's and Itachi's attacks literally tear up the ground. Madara doesn't even have such a feat.

 

[NarutoX28]

He showed this feat against Itachi? ..... Sasuke never showed this kind of Katon...ever
+Madara chakra is much more stronger and have a lot more then Sasuke

His Katon literally blew through the thick ceiling of the Uchiha Hideout and literally produced enough heat to cause a thunderstorm. Madara has never displayed that ability. The only reason you can argue that he does is through logical powerscaling, so likewise, Sasuke can also replicate Madara's feat.

And yeah ... No he doesn't.

 

[UnknownJin]

His dragon katon attack broke open the thick hideout wall and went all the way up to start a thunder-storm. Sasuke's and Itachi's attacks literally tear up the ground. Madara doesn't even have such a feat.

Yeah ... No he doesn't.

So now ur both telling me that Sasuke showed better Katon then Madara?... ok im out of here

 

[NarutoX28]

So now ur both telling me that Sasuke showed better Katon then Madara?... ok im out of here

Read my post. I edited it.

 

[UnknownJin]

Read my post. I edited it.

dude what u saying is just stupid just show me the image of Sasuke doing this kind of Katon like Madara vs SA

also Sasuke fire didnt make thunderstorm..It was cause of Amaterasu + Sasuke fire jutsu

 

[NarutoX28]

dude what u saying is just stupid just show me the image of Sasuke doing this kind of Katon like Madara vs SA

also Sasuke fire didnt make thunderstorm..It was cause of Amaterasu + Sasuke fire jutsu

You're being an idiot.

Madara hasn't shown to ability to replicate Sasuke's Katon that caused a massive Thunderstorm. The only reason Madara's able to do that is through common sense and logical power scaling. Therefore, Sasuke doesn't even need to display that because he's clearly better than Madara does. How do we know? Because his chakra improved to the point where he could compete with JJ Madara.

By your logic, JJ Madara cannot replicate the same level of destructive power that JJ Obito did because he didn't show it even though logical power scaling will tell us otherwise.

 

[UnknownJin]

You're being an idiot.

Madara hasn't shown to ability to replicate Sasuke's Katon that caused a massive Thunderstorm. The only reason Madara's able to do that is through common sense and logical power scaling. Therefore, Sasuke doesn't even need to display that because he's clearly better than Madara does. How do we know? Because his chakra improved to the point where he could compete with JJ Madara.

By your logic, JJ Madara cannot replicate the same destructive power that JJ Obito because he didn't show it even though logical power scaling will tell us otherwise.

Did u actually read what i wrote?
Sasuke fire jutsu wasnt the only thing that made thunderstorm it was thx to Amaterasu aswell . But... w.e man.. i wont argue. Madara's katon > Sasuke's unless i see the same scales of Katon like Madara vs SA

 

[shelke]

So now ur both telling me that Sasuke showed better Katon then Madara?... ok im out of here

No offense, but do you have any idea how high rain clouds are? Not to mention the wall he broke apart? It's compressed chakra:

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Madara's compressed chakra's feats are nothing special. Not only was his Dragon attack much smaller than Sasuke's, but it did nothing to Tsunade. She shrugged it off like it was nothing. He has never torn up the ground like Sasuke and Itachi either:

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Your argument makes no sense as it's compressed versus uncompressed. Madara's feats are nothing special with the former.

 

[lndra]

Technically Madara is the strongest Uchiha without power ups.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

His dragon katon attack broke open the thick hideout wall and went all the way up to start a thunder-storm. Sasuke's and Itachi's attacks literally tear up the ground. Madara doesn't even have such a feat.

Lel what? Being out in the open he was obviously never in a position to do such a thing. A jutsu of this calibre would easily smash through said hideout wall.

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[UnknownJin]

No offense, but do you have any idea how high rain clouds are? Not to mention the wall he broke apart? It's compressed chakra:

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Madara's compressed chakra's feats are nothing special. Not only was his Dragon attack smaller than Sasuke's, but it did nothing to Tsunade. She shrugged it off like it was nothing. He has never torn up the ground like Sasuke and Itachi either:

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Your argument makes no sense as it's compressed versus uncompressed. Madara's feats are nothing special with the former.

I dont know wtf are u saying man.... In the post above Narutox28 said that Sasuke showed same Katon as Madaras vs Itachi

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if this is the same katon as Madaras vs SA then i must be crazy or something is rly going on here...

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[shelke]

Lel what? Being out in the open he was obviously never in a position to do such a thing. A jutsu of this calibre would easily smash through said hideout wall.

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None of his uncompressed Katons have ever torn up the ground and the last one couldn't even get through the gaps in the trees:

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So, he isn't doing it when he hasn't shown it.

 

[shelke]

I dont know wtf are u saying man.... In the post above Narutox28 said that Sasuke showed same Katon as Madaras vs Itachi

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if this is the same katon as Madaras vs SA then i must be crazy or something is rly going on here...

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The top one is Katon goukakyuu no jutsu and the bottom one is katon gouka mekkyaku. They are not even the same tech. He was talking about the Dragon Katon attack. Look at my spoiler post again. I have covered it.

 

[Ambivalence]

Technically Madara is the strongest Uchiha without power ups.

Adult EMS Sauce (No Rinnegan or Rikudou chakra) should at least be on EMS Madara's level going by Oro's statement and the fact that Sasuke is the current Indra reincarnation. Both their full power is PS, both fueled by their Choku Tomoe Mangekyo, nothing suggests Sasuke couldn't get on Madara's level on his own especially when it was practically meant to happen.

 

[NarutoX28]

Did u actually read what i wrote?
Sasuke fire jutsu wasnt the only thing that made thunderstorm it was thx to Amaterasu aswell . But... w.e man.. i wont argue. Madara's katon > Sasuke's unless i see the same scales of Katon like Madara vs SA

Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique (火遁・豪龍火の術, Katon: Gouryuuka no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, B-rank, Offensive, Supplementary, All ranges
User: Uchiha Sasuke

An ascending dragon of flames, consuming the enemy with sharp fangs burning brightly!!

Compressing a great amount of chakra build up inside the body and changing its shape into that of a blazing dragon. Then skilfully manipulating that great fire, one attacks the enemy before one's eyes! If this technique is mastered, it is also possible to fire off several flames after each other. Even outside of the attack range, its power and reliability are stressed. The flames have such a high temperature, they can create updraughts which in turn give rise to cumulonimbus clouds?! The fate of the person caught in the dragon flame's sharp fangs is to be reduced to ashes in an instant...!!

Your ignorance is amusing, but you're absolutely wrong. The flames are potent enough to do it on its own lonesome.

Your argument has already been addressed. Sasuke not having the feats to do it doesn't suggest he can't. Majority of his feats involves him compressing his Katon to the absolute limit to create more potent flames as a result. Why do you think Madara's and Obito's Juubi Sized Katon did nothing against the Shinobi Alliance? Because increasing the scale of the jutsu merely disperses the flames over a larger distance and makes them much weaker as a result. As I've stated before, Sasuke can accomplish Madara's feats through logical power scaling. All your argument is based on is the fact that Sasuke's feats don't stack up to Madara's due to his Katon encompassing a much smaller scale when that's not even a valid argument to begin with considering compression can compensate for a lack of scope of the technique.

Through logical power scaling, we can determine many things even if character's don't have the feats to suggest it and everything points towards Sasuke being capable of replicating Madara's feats. This is why P1 Hiruzen's flames are much stronger than P1 Sasuke's despite encompassing a smaller scale because of logical power scaling and the fact that character's are capable of compressing the flames depending on how they manipulate their chakra. This is common sense and I can't believe you're struggling to grasp such a basic concept.

You can cry all you want, but I'll accept this as a concession and move on.