Don't you guys think Kishi made Naruto weak

NarutoUzukaze

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Take away Kyuubi's chakra and Nature's chakra (not including ashura's chakra, power-up without doing anything) which both are borrowed then Naruto wouldn't defeat a regular jonin (imagine Zabuza). While Sasuke was made to be overpowered, Naruto should be the one if you compare families.

Now if Naruto wasn't born with Kyuubi's chakra and was properly trained, I believe he could become stronger than Hashirama, think about it, being born to a hokage and a uzumaki Jinchuuriki, he would still have a lot of chakra.

Now let's say people didn't hide his inheritance and he starts training (serious training, not jiraya's training) at 8yo and had enough chakra to spam 50 shadow clones, if he was trained properly he could be kage level at 13yo, think about it, its 5 years, 5 years training everyday with 50 shadow clones (while he grows old he would be able to spam even more clones like 100), don't you guys think he would be way stronger than kakashi by then? The only difference would be experience, but by power he would be at kage level.

Think of how powerful he could be with this training:
10 clones to Fuinjutsu
10 clones to Taijutsu
10 clones to Kenjutsu
20 clones to ninjutsu (wind and water affinities)

While he would use gravity and resistance Seals from the beginning, all this increasing as the time pass by (increase of chakra; clones; jutsus; Taijutsu and Kenjutsu styles; level of Fuinjutsu; and on the Seals that would make him even faster and stronger). All this and he could be creating techniques like his father, like creating the rasenshuriken earlier or recreating the Hiraishin and improving it and could end up with chakra chains or at least be able to do something else with his chakra since he is an Uzumaki.

Look at how powerful he could be by training seriously these 5 years. With experience no one could match him. Not even Canon Naruto with full Kyuubi power during the war would Win, since the Naruto which I wrote would obviously have something especifically to fight against Jinchuurikis.
 

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Naruto without Kurama isn't weak and might more so hold him back since it gives him an easy power up so he doesn't really have to develop his fighting
 

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Naruto without Kurama isn't weak and might more so hold him back since it gives him an easy power up so he doesn't really have to develop his fighting

What fights have naruto won without Kurama...
 

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Naruto's taijutsu sucks, he can't do genjutsu, he doesn't have a single elemental ninjutsu to fight with, rasengan only works if you are faster than your opponent, the only thing he can brag its partly his is the rasenshuriken, and even that isn't totally his and he would'nt have made it if kakashi hadn't told him that his father wanted to make a elemental rasengan
 

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Dude, Naruto wihtout Kurama and rikudo chakra still has SM, with that he's already kage level and would stomp jonnins like you said.

And lol, nature chakra is not borowed, Naruto had to train a lot to achieve it. Sasuke's MS is borrowed for example. Sasuke's Curse Mark is a SM that he got for doing nothing, he just got it from oro.
 

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Oh dude give it a rest. The manga has been over since two years. No need to be over crictical now. :lmao:
 

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He had what was literally the strongest thing alive by the time he was born sealed inside of him.

He made Naruto OP as f*ck.
 

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Naruto has so much power but no skills in anything else.

He should of manipulated wind better instead of just applying it with Rasengans. Imagine if he had real fuuton jutsu.

SMH Kishi. If Naruto was like Kazuma from Kaze no Stigma in terms of wind manipulation, he would be a beast.
 

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If Naruto didn't have Kurama he wouldn't even come close to Hashirama, no matter how much training he got.
 

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Naruto really upsets ya I see. Without Kurama he has sage mode I know ya witness that raw power and skill in War arc hell he did well against Kurama whooping his ass(before his mom stepped in) even Kurama questioned "what kinda power is this". Ya really talk about Kurama like even without him he wouldn't go savage. U wanna talk handouts if anything Sasuke the one that barely worked for his shit.
 

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When you're the title character and your presence is not required to complete the ultimate goal in your own manga...That's weak to me but hey, don't mind me.

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