Hidan v Zabuza

[Booker]

Location: Gaara v Kimmimaro

Distance: 20m

Scenario 1: No intel for either.

Scenario 2: Intel for both.​

 

[Icelerate]

Hidan wins scenario one. Zabuza wins scenario two. Mid difficulty for both scenarios.

 

[TheSages456]

Zabuzu wins both scenarios as there isn't any reason why he won't opt for Mist+Silent Killing and Hidan isn't going to instantly cut him even if they were to engage in CQC.

Hidan has no sensory ability or defense to prevent himself from being decapitated.

 

[KidGamer65]

Intel is irrelevant. Zabuza puts up the mist and then it's GG for him.

 

[Icelerate]

Intel is irrelevant. Zabuza puts up the mist and then it's GG for him.

Zabuza doesn't go for decapitation without intel, allowing Hidan to tank the attack and then counterattack scratching Zabuza.

 

[KidGamer65]

Zabuza doesn't go for decapitation without intel, allowing Hidan to tank the attack and then counterattack scratching Zabuza.

Based on what? That's literally what his sword is made for. Even if he doesn't go for decapitation, if and when he cuts Hidan he's either going to take a limb or cause him to stagger with the attack, thus if Hidan tries to attack Zabuza would block it.

 

[EZQ]

People are not taking into consideration the starting distance, which is key to decide whether Zabuza gets time to put up the mist or not. If Zabuza goes with the seal and makes a half assed block against Hidan, he could lose a drop of blood on lose the fight.

20m i don't see it happening, but from 15 m Hidan could take this.

Zabuza wins both here.

 

[KidGamer65]

People are not taking into consideration the starting distance, which is key to decide whether Zabuza gets time to put up the mist or not. If Zabuza goes with the seal and makes a half assed block against Hidan, he could lose a drop of blood on lose the fight.

20m i don't see it happening, but from 15 m Hidan could take this.

Zabuza wins both here.

Not really. Unless Hidan actually has the speed to blitz Zabuza or hit him before he can properly react then there's no reason why Zabuza won't just block Hidan's initial strike, retreat and then put up his mist. Lmao. a 5m difference, especially when it's just from 20 to 15 literally changes nothing.

 

[EZQ]

Not really. Unless Hidan actually has the speed to blitz Zabuza or hit him before he can properly react then there's no reason why Zabuza won't just block Hidan's initial strike, retreat and then put up his mist. Lmao. a 5m difference, especially when it's just from 20 to 15 literally changes nothing.

Not necesarely blitz. Just keep pressure on him. With a broken schyte, Hidan puts pressure on part 2 Kakashi, and the blade was drawn really close to Kakashi's arm, i won't post the scan since you've seen it a lot surely. If Hidan strikes against a Zabuza who

1- Is slower and has less reflexes than pt2 Kakashi
2- Won't be 100 focused on defending since he wants to put the mist up, so he needs 1 hand free for a couple of seconds at least

and this time his schyte is not broken, which allows him to make unortodox attacks, i don't see Zabuza not getting scratched.

And it does make a difference when a second could make the difference between time to make a hand seal and not having it.

@Bold: Zabuza has to retreat backpedaling, he can't "retreat" since to outspeed Hidan to get a safe distance to make the seal, he has to turn around and use his sunshin, which is a huge oppening. He needs to retreat far enough to make one hand seal, since there's no way he can contest with Hidan in CQC with only one hand, having that big sword.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not necesarely blitz. Just keep pressure on him. With a broken schyte, Hidan puts pressure on part 2 Kakashi, and the blade was drawn really close to Kakashi's arm, i won't post the scan since you've seen it a lot surely. If Hidan strikes against a Zabuza who

1- Is slower and has less reflexes than pt2 Kakashi
2- Won't be 100 focused on defending since he wants to put the mist up, so he needs 1 hand free for a couple of seconds at least

and this time his schyte is not broken, which allows him to make unortodox attacks, i don't see Zabuza not getting scratched.

And it does make a difference when a second could make the difference between time to make a hand seal and not having it.

@Bold: Zabuza has to retreat backpedaling, he can't "retreat" since to outspeed Hidan to get a safe distance to make the seal, he has to turn around and use his sunshin, which is a huge oppening. He needs to retreat far enough to make one hand seal, since there's no way he can contest with Hidan in CQC with only one hand, having that big sword.

Yeah, Hidan put pressure on Kakashi, but Kakashi wasn't trying to retreat, he was trying to fight. And he was using a Kunai. Zabuza is using a broad sword. Completely different scenarios. Larger weapon=Easier to block incoming attacks. And if Hidan is approaching him then he has no reason to continue trying to set up the mist. All he does is put his hand down and then block Hidan. Or he breaks away, uses a Suiton to push him back and then follows up with his mist, though that's not necessary because Hidan isn't fast enough to stop Zabuza from putting up the mist.

No, it literally makes no difference. It's from 20 to 15m. Hidan isn't going to cross 15m and strike Zabuza before Zabuza does

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and set up the mist, which literally takes no more than 2 seconds. Not a chance. By the time he gets to Zabuza the hand sign would've been made and the mist would already start to cover the area. From there Zabuza blocks Hidan's initial strike and the rest is history.

Shunshin enhances regular movement. Why would Zabuza have to turn around and run forwards when he can Shunshin by jumping backwards?

And what you are saying doesn't make sense. If he's engaged with Hidan why would he only use one hand when he can just stop trying to use the mist for the moment he has to take on Hidan? Makes way more sense then trying to fend him off with one hand only to get cut. :lol

 

[EZQ]

Yeah, Hidan put pressure on Kakashi, but Kakashi wasn't trying to retreat, he was trying to fight. And he was using a Kunai. Zabuza is using a broad sword. Completely different scenarios. Larger weapon=Easier to block incoming attacks. And if Hidan is approaching him then he has no reason to continue trying to set up the mist. All he does is put his hand down and then block Hidan. Or he breaks away, uses a Suiton to push him back and then follows up with his mist, though that's not necessary because Hidan isn't fast enough to stop Zabuza from putting up the mist.

No, it literally makes no difference. It's from 20 to 15m. Hidan isn't going to cross 15m and strike Zabuza before Zabuza does

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and set up the mist, which literally takes no more than 2 seconds. Not a chance. By the time he gets to Zabuza the hand sign would've been made and the mist would already start to cover the area. From there Zabuza blocks Hidan's initial strike and the rest is history.

Shunshin enhances regular movement. Why would Zabuza have to turn around and run forwards when he can Shunshin by jumping backwards?


And what you are saying doesn't make sense. If he's engaged with Hidan why would he only use one hand when he can just stop trying to use the mist for the moment he has to take on Hidan? Makes way more sense then trying to fend him off with one hand only to get cut. :lol

Ok i agree, Zabuza wins. But i disagree in a lot of things of your post too. I'll adress them later

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Zabuza wins a majority of the time. I don't see Hidan as being a tactical fighter, whereas Zabuza lays traps inside of traps. A water clone feint or two, followed by the real Zabuza, and it's pretty much guaranteed that Hidan's losing something important. I'd bet that Hidan gets bisected in the first blow.

 

[ToshiZO]

A larger weapon means more openings. Kakashi couldn't find any openings against Hidan despite taking long swings. Zabuza if engaged in CQC against Hidan will get cut.

If Hidan manages to pressure Zabuza right off the bat, the fight ends there because Hidan is not gonna just let Zabuza retreat before he can get his blood.

 

[Zexion~]

Intel is irrelevant. Zabuza puts up the mist and then it's GG for him.

Counter my chain argument scrub

 

[KidGamer65]

Counter my chain argument scrub

What chain argument?

Better yet, I'm waiting for that response in that Kakuzu vs. Sasuke thread.

 

[Zexion~]

What chain argument?

Better yet, I'm waiting for that response in that Kakuzu vs. Sasuke thread.

Its just sooooo long and I have so many reports to write for school lmfaoooo

If Hidan constantly has his chain in a circular motion around him such as how he blocked the shurikans how is Zabuza's presence not being noticed?

 

[NarutoX28]

Restrict the Hidden Mist and I can see Hidan winning here.

Hidden Mist is just absolutely dangerous. Sakura, Lee, Gai, and Kakashi were in a four-man formation and even Sakura conveyed to Lee to be careful because he's capable of getting within their blindspot if necessary. Hidden Mist is just that dangerous, even among multiple Elite Shinobi.

 

[KidGamer65]

Its just sooooo long and I have so many reports to write for school lmfaoooo

If Hidan constantly has his chain in a circular motion around him such as how he blocked the shurikans how is Zabuza's presence not being noticed?

-Zabuza smacks it away with his sword.
-Then he kills Hidan.

 

[Zexion~]

-Zabuza smacks it away with his sword.
-Then he kills Hidan.

Hidan would know where he is though.... thus defeats the purpose of Hidden mist, and from there with his highly arguable superior speed he can simply move in the other direction constantly till he escapes the mist, not to mention send his scythe to attack whatever hit him, if he wants to send water clones that cant go beyond 10 meters Hidan just legs it in the other direction then.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hidan would know where he is though.... thus defeats the purpose of Hidden mist, and from there with his highly arguable superior speed he can simply move in the other direction constantly till he escapes the mist, not to mention send his scythe to attack whatever hit him, if he wants to send water clones that cant go beyond 10 meters Hidan just legs it in the other direction then.

Yes, he'd know where he is if Zabuza stayed in that same exact location following him knocking away the weapon. What's bad about this strategy is that him knowing where his scythe was smacked away from doesn't mean he knows where Zabuza will attack from, and the act of knocking his weapon away creates an opening. Combine that with the fact that he doesn't know where Zabuza will attack from and it's a wrap.

Or Zabuza can use Suiton first and then attack so that there's no chance he knows Zabuza's location when it comes time to attack.

No, not highly arguable. :lol If Hidan tries to run away when Zabuza is right in front of him he gets cut down. And since when would running to escape the mist help him here? Zabuza would just follow him and generate more mist.