who has better reaction and reflexes ems sasuke or war arc sm naruto

[InfiniteMugen]

Reacting to full speed Ay>>Anything SM Naruto has ever done in this Manga.

Sm reacted to the 3rd raikage, he's supposed to be pretty fast no?

 

[Aznkidd]

Ems sasuke was shown to react faster than kcm minato while also keeping up with kcm naruto. morever his movement/striking speed was fast enough to push back sm madara and eventually tag him whereas sm naruto was tossed aside like a fodder when a non-sm madara shunshined towards him. EMS sasuke>>>sm naruto in anything speed related. concerning the op, he takes the reactions with ease and precog while sensing goes to sm naruto because sasuke doesnt actually sense

so fast :lol

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[King Of Pop]

so fast :lol

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ok and what relevance does this have to my post? made no mention of rinnegan madara. totally irrelevant to the discussion

 

[Aznkidd]

ok and what relevance does this have to my post? made no mention of rinnegan madara. totally irrelevant to the discussion

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[Guntah]

Sm reacted to the 3rd raikage, he's supposed to be pretty fast no?

Third Raikage lacks any major speeds feats. Only short range reaction ones, but not proper speed, so while still impressive, War Arc Sasuke still shows better feats.

 

[King Of Pop]

too incompetent to post an actual argument so instead resorts to an irrelevant scan and memes. typical Nds clown :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Sm reacted to the 3rd raikage, he's supposed to be pretty fast no?

Yeah, but not faster than Sasuke. Sasuke can already react to V1 Ay who is faster than his father by feats, and is at the most equal with him if we give him the benefit of the doubt with only MS let alone EMS.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Yeah, but not faster than Sasuke. Sasuke can already react to V1 Ay who is faster than his father by feats, and is at the most equal with him if we give him the benefit of the doubt with only MS let alone EMS.

I agree there, and with madaras comment about the choku Tomoe i would assume ems gives better precog than ms. I just thought it was at least a close feat, naruto dodged and still tagged his arm(relatively small area) with his rasengan all in a pretty quick motion.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Third Raikage lacks any major speeds feats. Only short range reaction ones, but not proper speed, so while still impressive, War Arc Sasuke still shows better feats.

Yea I didn't realize that ay outclassed the 3rd in speed by that much, that's my bad

 

[Aznkidd]

too incompetent to post an actual argument so instead resorts to an irrelevant scan and memes. typical Nds clown :lol

this fit yourself isnt it :lol
you said Sasuke was able to react so fast, so i gave you a scan showing within the time Madara walk slowly toward Sasuke and stab him, Sasuke did absolutely nothin, not even able to react and try anything to counter at all :lol

so much for reaction and reflexes :lol

 

[NarutoX28]

Reacting to full speed Ay>>Anything SM Naruto has ever done in this Manga.

He was running away from Raikage and had plenty of time to react to his speed.

But the Viz Manga already confirmed that SM Naruto's Sensing was faster and wider and that's what enabled him to react to Sandaime Raikage at the last second.

 

[KidGamer65]

He was running away from Raikage and had plenty of time to react to his speed.

But the Viz Manga already confirmed that SM Naruto's Sensing was faster and wider and that's what enabled him to react to Sandaime Raikage at the last second.

And that changes what exactly? The fact is, he reacted to and dodged top speed Ay comfortably while SM Naruto didn't comfortably react to Madara. Who is slower than Ay.

Viz Manga stated that his sensing is better, not that his reactions are better. Naruto's sensing is better and faster than Tobirama's yet Tobirama's reflexes are far superior.

 

[NarutoX28]

And that changes what exactly? The fact is, he reacted to and dodged top speed Ay comfortably while SM Naruto didn't comfortably react to Madara. Who is slower than Ay.

He dodged Raikage because he allowed himself ample enough to do so by getting a head start. Running away = Greater Distance = More Time to react to Raikage's speed. It's not even a valid representation of KCM Naruto's reactions and he certainly wouldn't be able to react to someone on V2 Raikage's speed caliber at a much closer-range.

Viz Manga stated that his sensing is better, not that his reactions are better. Naruto's sensing is better and faster than Tobirama's yet Tobirama's reflexes are far superior.

He stated his sensing was superior which would allow him to react to Raikage at the last second, indicating that this was something KCM Naruto couldn't do.

 

[KidGamer65]

He dodged Raikage because he allowed himself ample enough to do so by getting a head start. Running away = Greater Distance = More Time to react to Raikage's speed. It's not even a valid representation of KCM Naruto's reactions and he certainly wouldn't be able to react to someone on V2 Raikage's speed caliber at a much closer-range.



He stated his sensing was superior which would allow him to react to Raikage at the last second, indicating that this was something KCM Naruto couldn't do.

Lol what are you on about? Whether or not KCM Naruto wouldn't be able to react or not from close range is irrelevant and 100% false. He's faster than Ay, thus he can react to anything slower than his speed without much trouble, and that includes Ay. The point is that Naruto's best reaction feat is reacting to Ay. SM Naruto doesn't have any feat on that level regardless of the distance.

No, because KCM wasn't an option for use at the time. So how could he be comparing SM to KCM there?

 

[NarutoX28]

Lol what are you on about? Whether or not KCM Naruto wouldn't be able to react or not from close range is irrelevant and 100% false. He's faster than Ay, thus he can react to anything slower than his speed without much trouble, and that includes Ay. The point is that Naruto's best reaction feat is reacting to Ay. SM Naruto doesn't have any feat on that level regardless of the distance.

I'll agree to disagree then. I hardly see how reacting to V2 Raikage would automatically place KCM Naruto above SM Naruto in the first place considering there were multiple factors that enabled KCM Naruto to do so in the first place. The only way you can make a valid comparison is if KCM Naruto evaded someone faster under similar circumstances, which you can't provide because the majority of KCM Naruto's feats aren't a representation of amazing reactions at all.

No, because KCM wasn't an option for use at the time. So how could he be comparing SM to KCM there?

What do you mean how? He made a comparison between both of the forms the moment when he mentioned Sage Sensing being superior to the form of Sensing Kyuubi Cloak Mode provided him.

 

[Eng nawashi]

That may seem dumb .Is reacting by shunshin'ing is considered physical reaction or mental ?

 

[KidGamer65]

I'll agree to disagree then. I hardly see how reacting to V2 Raikage would automatically place KCM Naruto above SM Naruto in the first place considering there were multiple factors that enabled KCM Naruto to do so in the first place. The only way you can make a valid comparison is if KCM Naruto evaded someone faster under similar circumstances, which you can't provide because the majority of KCM Naruto's feats aren't a representation of amazing reactions at all.



What do you mean how? He made a comparison between both of the forms the moment when he mentioned Sage Sensing being superior to the form of Sensing Kyuubi Cloak Mode provided him.

What you are saying with the bold doesn't make sense. The only things that play into reaction of an incoming stimuli would be distance and the speed of the person reacting. You can try to claim that Naruto can't react to Ay from a closer distance, but the fact that Naruto is faster than Ay or at least as fast as him means that Ay can get as close he wants but he'll never blitz Naruto with no reaction and the obvious portrayal that Naruto surpassed Ay in speed like his father did disagrees with you.

Which still doesn't mean that SM Naruto has better reaction speed than KCM Naruto. All it means is that due to the precognitive nature of SM's sensing, it's better for last minute dodges. Overall KCM Naruto is still faster as the feats clearly show. SM Naruto can barely react to Madara. KCM Naruto is fast enough to react to Ay comfortably. Unless you are going to claim that Alive Madara w/o Sage Mode>V2 Ay in speed there's no arguing that SM is faster.

 

[LoZelda101]

lol. if ems reflexes were slower than SM naruto he would've died long before the war reached it's climax.

 

[NarutoX28]

What you are saying with the bold doesn't make sense. The only things that play into reaction of an incoming stimuli would be distance and the speed of the person reacting. You can try to claim that Naruto can't react to Ay from a closer distance, but the fact that Naruto is faster than Ay or at least as fast as him means that Ay can get as close he wants but he'll never blitz Naruto with no reaction and the obvious portrayal that Naruto surpassed Ay in speed like his father did disagrees with you.

Which still doesn't mean that SM Naruto has better reaction speed than KCM Naruto. All it means is that due to the precognitive nature of SM's sensing, it's better for last minute dodges. Overall KCM Naruto is still faster as the feats clearly show. SM Naruto can barely react to Madara. KCM Naruto is fast enough to react to Ay comfortably. Unless you are going to claim that Alive Madara w/o Sage Mode>V2 Ay in speed there's no arguing that SM is faster.

The multiple different circumstances affected the distance and altered KCM Naruto's perception of speed.

For instance:

1. Distance - KCM Naruto gathered a massive head start which enabled him to separate himself from Raikage and gave him significantly more time to react. Likewise, since KCM Naruto was also constantly moving away from Raikage, than enabled him to gain even more distance away from him and gave him more time to react as well.

2. Speed - KCM Naruto's perception of speed differed because he was moving away from Raikage. Because of that, Raikage appeared to be moving slower than usual because his perception of speed in this case is the difference between Raikage's and Naruto's speed. For example, if a car is moving at 80 mph while another car is moving at 100 mph in the same direction, the faster car only appears to be moving at 20 mph relative to the slower vehicle.

SM Naruto had significantly less distance and time to react, and he was moving towards Sandaime Raikage which made Raikage appear faster as a result. We simply can't use KCM Naruto's performance here because there's such a massive variation in distance and perception of speed (if that makes any sense at all).

I get what you're saying, but Shunshin speed doesn't have a direct relation to reflexes. That would be the speed stat which encompasses movement speed and reflexes. If P1 Shikamaru had KCM Naruto level flicker, I couldn't imagine him having reactions that would make V2 Raikage look slow in comparison because his Speed Stat is much too low. V2 Raikage might not have that level of "Speed" needed to react at speeds comparable to his, but his Raiton Armor stimulates his nervous transmission speed whereas KCM Naruto's form of sensing alone doesn't really give us any implication that his reactions are significantly boosted because of it.

I don't understand why SM Naruto would make a comparison between KCM Naruto and SM Naruto if it didn't have any sort of relevance at all. You're claiming that it makes it more effective for last-minute dodges, but that would require being able to perceive your opponent with greater clarity and higher evasive speed. That's still a form of reaction speed regardless and I see nothing that shows that KCM Naruto had that same level of evasive speed.