Hebi Sasuke vs Minato

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Oops, you seem confused. Pay attention;

Madara did allow himself to get hit.
Which you've failed to prove.


In case this wasn't clear for you, I'll break it down into bite-sized pieces:

(1) Sasuke fight Madara.
(2) Madara create opening.
(3) Sasuke see opening.
(4) Madara trick Sasuke.

Understand?
Lmao. Look at this buffoon. 3 posts and you've yet to actually prove any of the claims you are making. Though considering who I'm arguing with I can't really be surprised.

1 is correct.
2 is based on nothing.

The rest is irrelevant because for 3 and 4 to be true, 2 has to be true and you can't prove that Madara purposely did anything that led to Sasuke piercing him. What happened in the Manga if you'd wipe the crust out of your eyes and actually read is:

-Sasuke slashes at Madara.
-Madara dodges all of them.
-Sasuke then thrusts.
-Madara can't dodge, so he diverts the trajectory of the blade with his arm.

Madara has no reason to compliment Sasuke on his good moves if Sasuke wasn't able to actually tag him. Failing to tag someone=/=Having good movements. Try reading this slowly, carefully and even get someone to guide you through it if necessary since I can tell you don't process text beyond a sentence in size well.

So, where is evidence for the claim that Madara created an opening on purpose? Oh wait, it doesn't exist. :lol Try again buddy.
 

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@Bold

I thought it was pretty clear that Madara allowed himself to be pierced, thanks to his healing, in order to put Sasuke in a poor CQC position. If memory serves, after Sasuke lunged and got Madara's arm, he was horribly over-extended and vulnerable while Madara was in good positioning for a strike.

I always just saw it as a CQC manuever, not that Sasuke bested him for a second.
That was the impression I got too. If Sasuke's giving it all and Madara's dancing backwards, then there's no way Sasuke is suddenly getting him. Madara wasn't serious, . He wasn't the slightest bit fazed by Sasuke's attack; no sign of him worrying about the possibility that Sasuke might be able to kill him. Looking back at the chapters, Madara had only took 2-3 steps back before stopping.

OT: Sasuke probably takes this mid-high diff. Minato still has good chances though, thanks to quick speed, a particularly strong Rasengan and decent reflexes.
 

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minato wins this for me. far above in the reflex department and is also faster meaning sasukes attacks are dodged and he would be tagged as i see him getting badly outperformed in cqc as sick itachi managed to achieve that from my understanding and he is below someone who can perform a physical reaction before v2 ay strikes(ms sasuke couldnt percieve v2 ay, let alone react). sasuke would need cs2/snake guards to stay alive and if thats the case minato outlasts since sasuke would be expending a lot of chakra maintaining that.
 

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minato wins this for me. far above in the reflex department and is also faster meaning sasukes attacks are dodged and he would be tagged as i see him getting badly outperformed in cqc as sick itachi managed to achieve that from my understanding and he is below someone who can perform a physical reaction before v2 ay strikes(ms sasuke couldnt percieve v2 ay, let alone react). sasuke would need cs2/snake guards to stay alive and if thats the case minato outlasts since sasuke would be expending a lot of chakra maintaining that.
Minato doesn't have FTG so he isn't tagging anyone
 

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Which you've failed to prove.




Lmao. Look at this buffoon. 3 posts and you've yet to actually prove any of the claims you are making. Though considering who I'm arguing with I can't really be surprised.

1 is correct.
2 is based on nothing.

The rest is irrelevant because for 3 and 4 to be true, 2 has to be true and you can't prove that Madara purposely did anything that led to Sasuke piercing him. What happened in the Manga if you'd wipe the crust out of your eyes and actually read is:

-Sasuke slashes at Madara.
-Madara dodges all of them.
-Sasuke then thrusts.
-Madara can't dodge, so he diverts the trajectory of the blade with his arm.

Madara has no reason to compliment Sasuke on his good moves if Sasuke wasn't able to actually tag him. Failing to tag someone=/=Having good movements. Try reading this slowly, carefully and even get someone to guide you through it if necessary since I can tell you don't process text beyond a sentence in size well.

So, where is evidence for the claim that Madara created an opening on purpose? Oh wait, it doesn't exist. :lol Try again buddy.
Oops, you seem confused again. Seriously, pay attention now;

The evidence is in the context of the situation, which I find hilarious that you fail to grasp. Let's use those bite-sized pieces that you're able to manage.

(1) Sasuke fight Madara - True, right? Cool.

(2) Madara creates opening - Evidence is drawn from later events, which show that Sasuke never had the upper hand. Madara was in control the entire fight, and was able to trick Sasuke into poor position by giving the appearance of an opening.

(3) Sasuke sees opening - Cut and dry based off #2.

(4) Madara tricks Sasuke - Also cut and dry based off #2, so let's continue focusing on that.

"B-but Booker! You have no evidence for that! It's just something that happened!"

No, wrong. The evidence is taken from the context directly after the thrust. The fact that Madara was effortlessly dancing around Sasuke's strikes is what demonstrates his superiority. So, when looking for an opening in the fight, Madara uses Sasuke's momentum to go on the attack. This is why Sasuke is horribly out of position, over-extended, and completely vulnerable after his attack. It's pretty easy to determine this based off of the context of the situation.

"HA! So you're telling me that you can't provide me with a verbatim thought bubble delivered by Madara saying "I am going to create an opening and trick Sasuke!"

Well, settle down there, Skippy. I have what's called "reading comprehension" (Google it) and "critical thinking". I'm able to look at the details of an event and read between the lines to determine motives and processes.

The context here blatantly spells out that Madara's manuveur wasn't out of desperation, but a CQC tactic to force Sasuke into a poor position.

Understand a little better, Skippy? I can break it down further if you like. I mean, barely. It's already pretty simple to understand.

Oh, and Madara constantly compliments people beneath him. It's just him being condescending, not actually praising them. It's like beating a 4th grader in Basketball by 50 points and then saying, "You did your best, squirt!".
 
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considering my post wasnt based on ftg as i am very much aware its restricted, not sure why you are telling me this. except you can explain why he cant tag sasuke witout it
He can't use something he doesn't have.. That's the point.. You mention Sasuke being tagged in your initial post..
 

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Oops, you seem confused again. Seriously, pay attention now;

The evidence is in the context of the situation, which I find hilarious that you fail to grasp. Let's use those bite-sized pieces that you're able to manage.
Look at this illiterate talking about context as if he can actually read the Manga properly.
(1) Sasuke fight Madara - True, right? Cool.

(2) Madara creates opening - Evidence is drawn from later events, which show that Sasuke never had the upper hand. Madara was in control the entire fight, and was able to trick Sasuke into poor position by giving the appearance of an opening.
Lmao. You sound stupid. The later events aren't your evidence because the later events are the thing you are trying to prove happened. Madara being in control the entire fight doesn't require him having to have let Sasuke tag him, something I already addressed. Madara can be hit and still have the upper hand. So again, prove that Madara let Sasuke tag him or don't bother dragging this discussion on with these idiotic replies.

(3) Sasuke sees opening - Cut and dry based off #2.

(4) Madara tricks Sasuke - Also cut and dry based off #2, so let's continue focusing on that.

"B-but Booker! You have no evidence for that! It's just something that happened!"

No, wrong. The evidence is taken from the context directly after the thrust. The fact that Madara was effortlessly dancing around Sasuke's strikes is demonstrates his superiority. So, when looking for an opening in the fight, Madara uses Sasuke's momentum to go on the attack. This is why Sasuke is horribly out of position, over-extended, and completely vulnerable after his attack. It's pretty easy to determine this based off of the context of the situation.
Again, you sound stupid. Let me show you how to use context clues since a basic skill that should've been taught to you in middle school clearly wasn't for some strange reason.

-Madara was dodging Sasuke's initial slashes. Sasuke's final strike was a thrust. Two different movements. So saying "he was dodging Sasuke's slashes so he should've dodged the follow up thrust" doesn't make a shred of sense.

-Bold shows me that you didn't look at that scan. Madara uses Sasuke's momentum? What BS are you on about kiddo? Sasuke is in a bad position because he missed his original target due to Madara making his arm the new target and the fact that Madara grabbed a hold of Sasuke's sword after being pierced. That's it.

Now. Let's use context clues you clown.

-Madara is dodging Sasuke's attacks. That means he doesn't want to be hit.

-Sasuke thrusts and instead of Madara dodging it pierces his arm and he catches the blade like that.

-The positioning of the blade shows that it was aimed at Madara's heart, meaning that Madara did that because he couldn't dodge the attack, thus he had Sasuke pierce his arm.

-After Sasuke stabs him and Madara catches the blade, Madara tells him he has good movements because of his eyes, and then says that he might just take them to use before he gets his own Rinnegan. If Sasuke was unable to tag him then Madara would have no reason to say he has good movements and no reason to compliment him at all because he wouldn't have achieved a thing. Saying "he's patronizing Sasuke" is based on nothing at all first of all, and second of all why the hell would he patronize him and his eye power and then say that he'll take his eyes to use for himself? :lol

That's all evidence for the claim "Sasuke tagged Madara". Where is the evidence for the claim "Madara let it happen"? Oh wait, it doesn't exist. All you have are idiotic claims like:

-Madara was being condescending.

:lol. Your entire support for your argument is you pitifully attempting to break down how Madara put Sasuke in that position even though how it happened doesn't prove why it happened, and it happened because Madara had no better alternative when it comes to strict hand to hand.


"HA! So you're telling me that you can't provide me with a verbatim thought bubble delivered by Madara saying "I am going to create an opening and trick Sasuke!"

Well, settle down there, Skippy. I have what's called "reading comprehension" (Google it) and "critical thinking". I'm able to look at the details of an event and read between the lines to determine motives and processes.

The context here blatantly spells out that Madara's manuveur wasn't out of desperation, but a CQC tactic to force Sasuke into a poor position.

Understand a little better, Skippy? I can break it down further if you like. I mean, barely. It's already pretty simple to understand.
Hilarious. If you actually knew how to critically think and if you actually knew how to read then you wouldn't be making claims like the below.

Oh, and Madara constantly compliments people beneath him. It's just him being condescending, not actually praising them. It's like beating a 4th grader in Basketball by 50 points and then saying, "You did your best, squirt!".
Madara stated "you have good moves because of your choku tomoe, I might just take your eyes until I get my Rinnegan back". "You did your best squirt" isn't even a compliment of the kid's ability. :lol Try this. Stop using shitty logic and start arguing like you have some common sense, and if you don't, just fake it till you make it.

And where has Madara shown anything that'd lead you to say he "constantly compliments" people beneath him? First you use garbage logic now you are blatantly lying about what has occurred in the Manga.

-Constantly called Tsunade a weak woman and that she was nothing compared to her grandfather.
-Called Naruto incompetent.
-Called Obito a tool and his pawn.

The only people he's ever complimented on panel are Hashirama for being stronger than him, Sasuke for managing to stab him and cut him when they were fighting post Juubi Jin and Rinnegan buffs and Onoki for stopping his Susanoo clones. When Madara has complimented people on panel it's because they did something that impressed them. So stop making shit up pal. Only makes you sound stupider than you already do.

-Says Madara's compliment on Sasuke's eyes and Sasuke's movements were him being condescending.
-Madara then says he'll use those same eyes till he gets his Rinnegan back

I'd love to see some receipts of these so called compliments. I'd love to see receipts of pretty much everything you are claiming here.
 
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Look at this illiterate talking about context as if he can actually read the Manga properly.


Lmao. You sound stupid. The later events aren't your evidence because the later events are the thing you are trying to prove happened. Madara being in control the entire fight doesn't require him having to have let Sasuke tag him, something I already addressed. Madara can be hit and still have the upper hand. So again, prove that Madara let Sasuke tag him or don't bother dragging this discussion on with these idiotic replies.



Again, you sound stupid. Let me show you how to use context clues since a basic skill that should've been taught to you in middle school clearly wasn't for some strange reason.

-Madara was dodging Sasuke's initial slashes. Sasuke's final strike was a thrust. Two different movements. So saying "he was dodging Sasuke's slashes so he should've dodged the follow up thrust" doesn't make a shred of sense.

-Bold shows me that you didn't look at that scan. Madara uses Sasuke's momentum? What BS are you on about kiddo? Sasuke is in a bad position because he missed his original target due to Madara making his arm the new target and the fact that Madara grabbed a hold of Sasuke's sword after being pierced. That's it.

Now. Let's use context clues you clown.

-Madara is dodging Sasuke's attacks. That means he doesn't want to be hit.

-Sasuke thrusts and instead of Madara dodging it pierces his arm and he catches the blade like that.

-The positioning of the blade shows that it was aimed at Madara's heart, meaning that Madara did that because he couldn't dodge the attack, thus he had Sasuke pierce his arm.

-After Sasuke stabs him and Madara catches the blade, Madara tells him he has good movements because of his eyes, and then says that he might just take them to use before he gets his own Rinnegan. If Sasuke was unable to tag him then Madara would have no reason to say he has good movements and no reason to compliment him at all because he wouldn't have achieved a thing. Saying "he's patronizing Sasuke" is based on nothing at all first of all, and second of all why the hell would he patronize him and his eye power and then say that he'll take his eyes to use for himself? :lol

That's all evidence for the claim "Sasuke tagged Madara". Where is the evidence for the claim "Madara let it happen"? Oh wait, it doesn't exist. All you have are idiotic claims like:

-Madara was being condescending.

:lol. Your entire support for your argument is you pitifully attempting to break down how Madara put Sasuke in that position even though how it happened doesn't prove why it happened, and it happened because Madara had no better alternative when it comes to strict hand to hand.




Hilarious. If you actually knew how to critically think and if you actually knew how to read then you wouldn't be making claims like the below.



Madara stated "you have good moves because of your choku tomoe, I might just take your eyes until I get my Rinnegan back". "You did your best squirt" isn't even a compliment of the kid's ability. :lol Try this. Stop using shitty logic and start arguing like you have some common sense, and if you don't, just fake it till you make it.

And where has Madara shown anything that'd lead you to say he "constantly compliments" people beneath him? First you use garbage logic now you are blatantly lying about what has occurred in the Manga.

-Constantly called Tsunade a weak woman and that she was nothing compared to her grandfather.
-Called Naruto incompetent.
-Called Obito a tool and his pawn.

The only people he's ever complimented on panel are Hashirama for being stronger than him, Sasuke for managing to stab him and cut him when they were fighting post Juubi Jin and Rinnegan buffs and Onoki for stopping his Susanoo clones. When Madara has complimented people on panel it's because they did something that impressed them. So stop making shit up pal. Only makes you sound stupider than you already do.

-Says Madara's compliment on Sasuke's eyes and Sasuke's movements were him being condescending.
-Madara then says he'll use those same eyes till he gets his Rinnegan back

I'd love to see some receipts of these so called compliments. I'd love to see receipts of pretty much everything you are claiming here.
Oops, you still appear confused. What's so difficult to grasp here, Skippy?

Here's the scan in question;

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Now, I have to ask; do you have poor eyesight? Are you not currently wearing your glasses?

Because nowhere in that scan is Sasuke about to pierce Madara's heart. The sword clearly pierces Madara's arm, continues through the arm, and thengoes entirely past his chest in a straight line. The blocking with his arm wasn't to prevent Sasuke from piercing his heart, it was in order to gain better leverage once Sasuke is over-extended.

I already know what your argument is going to be, because you're predictable and simple minded. No, Madara did not guide the sword away from his chest via his arm. We know this because if he had, the sword would be pushed away at an angle - assuming Sasuke's attack was a straight line into Madara's chest, this is the only way it could have been avoided. We know this isn't the case because the sword is still at a completely straight angle. It wasn't guided or redirected anywhere else, otherwise it would no longer be facing in a straight line.

So (if you're still following, I wouldn't judge you if you decided to take a quick break to wrap your mind around basic movements and angles) we can conclude that Madara moved his chest and torso out of the way, independent of his blocking the sword with his arm.

So if Madara was able to just move his torso out of the way, why block the sword at all with his arm?

Oh yeah, I already stated this earlier. It was to gain leverage once Sasuke is in a piss-poor position and overextended. Now Sasuke is unable to withdraw without also losing his sword. Hence, this was likely his strategy from the start. Unless you're willing to argue that this just happened by... Coincidence? Chance? Which would be entertaining.

Are you still following? I want to make sure I don't lose you, here. You've demonstrated a complete inability to judge situations based off context and details, so I'm doing my best to simplify this for you.

You mean like him telling the Gokage they're worthy of their titles while running through them with Susano'o? Or how about him saying "That's too much..." as he effortlessly absorbs Naruto's Rasenshuriken? Of course, there's always that time he dropped a f*cking meteor on Oonoki and said, "So you can be useful!" as he drops another on top of it. I could find more if I wanted to, but what's the point? You've absolutely embarrassed yourself here. He's done this multiple times with snide comments.

The only thing that's going to satisfy you here is a panel with Madara stating, "I'm going to trick him now!" because you blatantly avoid context when it suits you, Skippy. And you know I can't provide that, because it doesn't exist. That doesn't mean the context of the situation can't be used to extrapolate the details as to what happened. This is what smart people do, not take things off a glance at surface value. That's what you do because I'm assuming you get a headache around any concept that isn't spelled out verbatim in a statement.

Understand?

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Oh yeah, and this is hilarious.

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Selective memory, much? Lol. Get off your high horse and quit acting like you remember every detail from the manga perfectly. This is the most blatant example of Madara legitimately complimenting someone, and you completely forgot it.

You're inconsistent and narcissistic.

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