Could Tayuya have beaten Temari if it wasn't for Shikamaru?

[DrProof]

That might be the case but I wanted to discuss a particular scenario with you if we put Temari in Shika's position when the dokis come out.

Can't really be 100%, due to me lacking knowledge on Temari's IC mindset, and battle style.

 

[Icelerate]

Can't really be 100%, due to me lacking knowledge on Temari's IC mindset, and battle style.

I see, thanks for the conversation though.

 

[Icelerate]

My interpretation of the situation was that Temari wouldn't have opted for going for a large-scale jutsu that could target Tayuya even if she were hidden hadn't she known that Tayuya's fighting style revolves around using the environment to her advantage in the first place. I'm not necessarily sure how she would've handled the fight though.

"She" as in Temari or Tayuya?

Well Temari would have eventually come to the conclusion that the most efficient way is to wipe out the entire forest but I doubt that will happen before Tayuya uses genjutsu. I find Kidomaru and Tayuya to be pretty OP in a forest. They can launch surprise attacks at you from wherever they feel like it.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Temari wrecks
Tayuya ain't tanking Kamatari Kirikiri Mai :|

Because Temari and predict sound coming,

 

[NarutoX28]

"She" as in Temari or Tayuya?

Well Temari would have eventually come to the conclusion that the most efficient way is to wipe out the entire forest but I doubt that will happen before Tayuya uses genjutsu. I find Kidomaru and Tayuya to be pretty OP in a forest. They can launch surprise attacks at you from wherever they feel like it.

Referring to Temari, I should've made that clear.

And I agree with your analysis.

 

[BLAZE]

Because Temari and predict sound coming,

Talks like Tayuya can get away from AoE of Temari's jutsu

 

[neosmith500]

Assuming the fight starts similarly to the way it did with Shikamru then Temari should win easily since the same scenario would play out with Tayuya deducing that her jutsu is offensively inferior to which she would retreat then go for Genjutsu to counter. Meanwhile Temari would've also deduced that the smartest move in her situation seeing that Tayuya uses sound is to catch Tayuya by surprise with KMM.

-Temari wont assume that Tayuya ran away in a 1V1 and would see it as a tactical withdraw especially considering the fight mirroring shika's giving both girls a chance for dialog and getting introduced to the basics of each others powers where Tayuya wont instantly use Genjutsu , so yea Temari still destroys her.

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[Icelerate]

Assuming the fight starts similarly to the way it did with Shikamru then Temari should win easily since the same scenario would play out with Tayuya deducing that her jutsu is offensively inferior to which she would retreat then go for Genjutsu to counter. Meanwhile Temari would've also deduced that the smartest move in her situation seeing that Tayuya uses sound is to catch Tayuya by surprise with KMM.

If fight starts like against Shikamaru, Tayuya would use her three dokis. Temari can't combat against that with just her ordinary fuuton considering they are pretty much undead and Temari can't cut them up at this point due to them being much larger and thicker than humans. Then there is the fact they can absorb chakra from fuuton. Temari would have to go into hiding like Shikamaru did against Tayuya.

-Temari wont assume that Tayuya ran away in a 1V1 and would see it as a tactical withdraw especially considering the fight mirroring shika's giving both girls a chance for dialog and getting introduced to the basics of each others powers where Tayuya wont instantly use Genjutsu , so yea Temari still destroys her.

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I agree that she'll know what Tayuya is up to in that case and then the same thing happens.

 

[neosmith500]

If fight starts like against Shikamaru, Tayuya would use her three dokis. Temari can't combat against that with just her ordinary fuuton considering they are pretty much undead and Temari can't cut them up at this point due to them being much larger and thicker than humans. Then there is the fact they can absorb chakra from fuuton. Temari would have to go into hiding like Shikamaru did against Tayuya.

She doesn't need to cut or damage them only blast them away off the tree's forcing Tayuya to change the melody in which Temari can pressure her with a follow-up swing and force tayuya to shunshin for a tactical withdraw and this is where KKM is employed as the best immediate counter-action.

I agree that she'll know what Tayuya is up to in that case and then the same thing happens.

Yep Temari murks.

 

[Icelerate]

She doesn't need to cut or damage them only blast them away off the tree's forcing Tayuya to change the melody in which Temari can pressure her with a follow-up swing and force tayuya to shunshin for a tactical withdraw and this is where KKM is employed as the best immediate counter-action.

That's where the chakra sucking ghosts are used to mitigate the fuuton thus not pushing back the dokis much. Plus Temari can only attack one doki or Tayuya at a time leaving Temari wide open to the two other dokis. Temari got pressured by Shikamaru's shadow and was forced to block one of the kunai when

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. Tayuya can attack Temari from three possible directions whereas Temari can only attack from one although Temari's attacks are faster. Tayuya's attacks can't be blocked by Temari whereas Tayuya can block Temari's. Temari's speed/reactions are also inferior to Tayuya's.

If Tayuya upgrades to CS2, she can instantly switch to sound genjutsu and doki combinations.

 

[neosmith500]

That's where the chakra sucking ghosts are used to mitigate the fuuton thus not pushing back the dokis much.

Not sure why Temari wouldn't blow her away the moment she sees that tayuya is about to summon something to which she follows up with her own summoning in the form of KMM to take precautions against her enemies unknown power.

-I also dont see how the Ghost being able to suck chakra would do anything in preventing the dokis from getting sent away or mitigate anything seeing that the Ghost are not even nearly large enough to fully protect the Dokis from the blast and they have to literally bite the chakra with their mouths which wont happen against Temai's wind blades and all Temari needs to do is blow the Dokis off the trees to greatly hinder them due to their size , but it wont get to that point anyway because Temari would react to them being summoned by using KMM as she'd no doubt consider her disadvantage.

Plus Temari can only attack one doki or Tayuya at a time leaving Temari wide open to the two other dokis. Temari got pressured by Shikamaru's shadow and was forced to block one of the kunai when

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. Tayuya can attack Temari from three possible directions whereas Temari can only attack from one although Temari's attacks are faster. Tayuya's attacks can't be blocked by Temari whereas Tayuya can block Temari's. Temari's speed/reactions are also inferior to Tayuya's.

This is true but it wont get to this point if Temari destroys her the moment she summons the Dokis seeing that KMM doesn't take much time at all to initiate unless u think Tauya is gonna summon her Dokis and have them all blitz temari before she can use KMM.

If Tayuya upgrades to CS2, she can instantly switch to sound genjutsu and doki combinations.

Tayuya wouldn't upgrade to CM2 so quickly in character and while Tayuya is going CM2 Temari simultaneously preps KMM .

-Where was it shown that Tayuya can mix the tones of controling the Dokis while simultaneously playing Genjutsu melodies?? even so it wont make a difference here seeing that she would get no time to do this given my girl Temari's smarts.

 

[lelerskates]

Tayuya wrecks, Temari has not genjutsu feaks

yeah man, those feaks!

 

[Icelerate]

Not sure why Temari wouldn't blow her away the moment she sees that tayuya is about to summon something to which she follows up with her own summoning in the form of KMM to take precautions against her enemies unknown power.

I guess you are right because summons can be huge like Gamabunta and Temari wouldn't take any chances.

-I also dont see how the Ghost being able to suck chakra would do anything in preventing the dokis from getting sent away or mitigate anything seeing that the Ghost are not even nearly large enough to fully protect the Dokis from the blast and they have to literally bite the chakra with their mouths which wont happen against Temai's wind blades and all Temari needs to do is blow the Dokis off the trees to greatly hinder them due to their size , but it wont get to that point anyway because Temari would react to them being summoned by using KMM as she'd no doubt consider her disadvantage.

One ghost isn't large enough but all three ghosts covering one doki are but I agree with the point that the chakra has to fit inside the mouth for the ghosts to eat the chakra.

This is true but it wont get to this point if Temari destroys her the moment she summons the Dokis seeing that KMM doesn't take much time at all to initiate unless u think Tauya is gonna summon her Dokis and have them all blitz temari before she can use KMM.

Correct.

Tayuya wouldn't upgrade to CM2 so quickly in character and while Tayuya is going CM2 Temari simultaneously preps KMM .

-Where was it shown that Tayuya can mix the tones of controling the Dokis while simultaneously playing Genjutsu melodies?? even so it wont make a difference here seeing that she would get no time to do this given my girl Temari's smarts.

I don't think Temari will whip out KKM if Tayuya goes CS2. Temari already fought Tayuya in CS2 and only opted to use KKM when Tayuya started hiding.

No I meant Tayuya would stop her dokis and switch to sound genjutsu when she sees fit. There's no reason she can't use any other tunes if dokis are summoned.

 

[neosmith500]

I guess you are right because summons can be huge like Gamabunta and Temari wouldn't take any chances.



One ghost isn't large enough but all three ghosts covering one doki are but I agree with the point that the chakra has to fit inside the mouth for the ghosts to eat the chakra.


Correct.

Glad u see the points with these notes and LMAO at 3 ghost covering one Doki , unless they are gonna catch the wind blades with their tiny mouth at extreme speeds they wont do a thing to hinder Temari's jutsu in the least.

I don't think Temari will whip out KKM if Tayuya goes CS2. Temari already fought Tayuya in CS2 and only opted to use KKM when Tayuya started hiding.

Temari had just arrived to the battle where shika was already fighting 1 v 1 which gave them the advantage in numbers which prompted her to ask if she ran away , Temari already knew the enemies were dangerous , if she see's Tayuya transform for the fist time she'll know its time to go all out since she literally has a massive advantage with the fact that her enemy has no intel on her full powers in simultaneous accordance to not knowing her enemies which is a risk , Temari wont waste anytime after seeing Tayuya power-up for something which could kill if she isn't fast enough so KMM will be used to eliminate that risk.

No I meant Tayuya would stop her dokis and switch to sound genjutsu when she sees fit. There's no reason she can't use any other tunes if dokis are summoned.

Ohh , then i agree that she can use with them summoned , but she'll have to choose if she wants to control the Dokis or use genjutsu.