Straight kenjutsu throwdown

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Guess Bee doing this was all sasuke's genjutsu then

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[shelke]

Bee has him matched and surpassed on movements and stops his ration blade
I didn't wanna post each page because it's literally the entire chapter

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I'll leave these two pics though and notice the wording Death bares it's fangs, that's Kishi telling us Bee was gonna win.
Annnnnd Suigetsu saves him. Discussion over, Sasuke lost 1v1 against Bee in Kinjutsu in that instance.

Can't really see the images, but Sasuke kept up Bee just fine despite being badly injured bar that one tiny cut:

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This is what happened with the stabs:

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Sasuke easily countered Bee's strike. Notice that the sword with the Chidori hand is in his left hand:

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When Bee makes the stabs, the sword is in Sasuke's right hand and the Chidori is gone:

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Bee confirms that Sasuke ran Raiton through his body to make the stabs non-fatal:

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It means, that during that short window, Sasuke threw the sword in his other hand and hit his body with Chidori before Bee made a single stab. That makes Sasuke faster than Bee. It's not really a susprise, as once healed, Sasuke's reflex action was more than four times faster than cloaked Bee. The one with the sword wasn't even cloaked:

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He jumps on Bee's back and rolls several times in air, which leads Bee to comment that Sasuke is a as fast as V1 Ae.

By the way, the chapter title doesn't mean anything. Furthermore, they were there to capture not kill Bee. Otherwise, Sasuke could have easily used Chidori spear to take Bee out in air. He let three instances go where he could have easily killed Bee. So, moot point.

Nevermind, I can see the images now.

 

[shelke]

Guess Bee doing this was all sasuke's genjutsu then

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A tiny cut (to a heavily injured man) and failed stabs. Yup.

 

[Exaar]

A tiny cut (to a heavily injured man)

He was injured it was never stated how bad he was injured but i like how you have to add "heavily injured".

and failed stabs. Yup.

Fail stabs?, They might not of been fatal like bee was hoping for but they put sasuke down on his ass for bee to end him with a follow up strike which his team stopped.

I would hardly called them failed when sasuke was as good as dead if his team didn't step in when they did.

 

[shelke]

He was injured it was never stated how bad he was injured but i like how you have to add "heavily injured".



Fail stabs?, They might not of been fatal like bee was hoping for but they put sasuke down on his ass for bee to end him with a follow up strike which his team stopped.

I would hardly called them failed when sasuke was as good as dead if his team didn't step in when they did.

Read above. Scans have been posted.

Did he? Sasuke had three instances to end Bee and yet he didn't. It's a moot point as Sasuke could have easily used a Chidori spear to take him out in the air, when he was using a Raiton charge in that state as well. Landing him on the ass doesn't mean his stabs were successful. He failed, even from such a short distance away. Sasuke was simply faster, despite being injured.

 

[Exaar]

Read above. Scans have been posted.

Sasuke could have easily used a Chidori spear to take him out in the air, when he was using a Raiton charge in that state as well.

Were talking Kenjutsu, not Ninjutsu.

We can all play the what if game.

Landing him on the ass doesn't mean his stabs were successful. He failed, even from such a short distance away. Sasuke was simply faster, despite being injured.

Failed to out right kill him yes but the moment he got stabbed, he lost. that's why taka intervened.

 

[shelke]

Were talking Kenjutsu, not Ninjutsu.

We can all play the what if game.

Failed to out right kill him yes but the moment he got stabbed, he lost. that's why taka intervened.

Eh? Bee used Ninjutsu as well to match Sasuke's ninjutsu? So, let's throw the whole thing out then?

Which was a result of a ninjutsu as well? Since we are talking about pure Kenjutsu, then Sasuke never failed there bar that one tiny cut.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Can't really see the images, but Sasuke kept up Bee just fine despite being badly injured bar that one tiny cut:

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This is what happened with the stabs:

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Sasuke easily countered Bee's strike. Notice that the sword with the Chidori hand is in his left hand:

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When Bee makes the stabs, the sword is in Sasuke's right hand and the Chidori is gone:

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Bee confirms that Sasuke ran Raiton through his body to make the stabs non-fatal:

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It means, that during that short window, Sasuke threw the sword in his other hand and hit his body with Chidori before Bee made a single stab. That makes Sasuke faster than Bee. It's not really a susprise, as once healed, Sasuke's reflex action was more than four times faster than cloaked Bee. The one with the sword wasn't even cloaked:

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He jumps on Bee's back and rolls several times in air, which leads Bee to comment that Sasuke is a as fast as V1 Ae.

By the way, the chapter title doesn't mean anything. Furthermore, they were there to capture not kill Bee. Otherwise, Sasuke could have easily used Chidori spear to take Bee out in air. He let three instances go where he could have easily killed Bee. So, moot point.

Nevermind, I can see the images now.

A tiny cut (to a heavily injured man) and failed stabs. Yup.

Keep clinging buddy.

How can you not see the images do you have eyes? Or are you just trying not to look at them? I'll humor the excuse though

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Right there Sasuke lost. End of discussion.

That "one tiny cut" was part of the injury that put him down so bad he needed Karin to heal him in order to just continue.

Failing to kill and failing are two different things completely don't try and flip your words and say that's what you always meant. What you said was Bee's stabs failed, that would mean he failed to stab him and cause damage which isn't true and the damage it did do was enough to require healing.

Not to mention he was stabbed 6 times not one tiny time as you're trying to play it off as. Go on let's count the swords stuck in Sasuke's body in that panel together; 1 in each shoulder(2), 1 in each lung(2), 1 in the chest and 1 in the leg. 1,2,3,4,5 and 6. Kishi didn't need to show all 6 wounds heal as most would be able to comprehend Sasuke has 6 wounds and one is healing thanks to Karin they all would be healing.

" they were there to capture not kill Bee."
So suigetsu's words mean nothing now? Like when he said "forget fighting not to kill we gotta fight to kill just so we can bring him down without killing him" Ok

Chidori spear isn't kinjutsu and would defeat your stance but good job including it, I guess?

 

[Guntah]

I'd assumed Mifune if this is a battle of sheer Kenjutsu, but who knows....

 

[chopstickchakra]

Eh? Bee used Ninjutsu as well to match Sasuke's ninjutsu? So, let's throw the whole thing out then?

Which was a result of a ninjutsu as well? Since we are talking about pure Kenjutsu, then Sasuke never failed there bar that one tiny cut.

The OP left adding elements to your blade. Bee didn't use ninjutsu until after Sasuke. when it was solely swords with raiton enhancements Bee won, I don't see how you can even argue that when Sasuke had to be saved from a fatal blow and revived to continue fighting? In what world does that make Sasuke the winner of their sword match?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I'd assumed Mifune if this is a battle of sheer Kenjutsu, but who knows....

It is sheer kenjutsu, minus the chakra blades and sauces sharingan, I was actually putting mifune up there as standing a chance as well lol

 

[Guntah]

It is sheer kenjutsu, minus the chakra blades and sauces sharingan, I was actually putting mifune up there as standing a chance as well lol

He's kind of a Samurai Hiruzen however....you know, hype, hype, hype, but not that much to work with.

 

[shelke]

Keep clinging buddy.

How can you not see the images do you have eyes? Or are you just trying not to look at them? I'll humor the excuse though Right there Sasuke lost. End of discussion.

That "one tiny cut" was part of the injury that put him down so bad he needed Karin to heal him in order to just continue.

Failing to kill and failing are two different things completely don't try and flip your words and say that's what you always meant. What you said was Bee's stabs failed, that would mean he failed to stab him and cause damage which isn't true and the damage it did do was enough to require healing.

Not to mention he was stabbed 6 times not one tiny time as you're trying to play it off as. Go on let's count the swords stuck in Sasuke's body in that panel together; 1 in each shoulder(2), 1 in each lung(2), 1 in the chest and 1 in the leg. 1,2,3,4,5 and 6. Kishi didn't need to show all 6 wounds heal as most would be able to comprehend Sasuke has 6 wounds and one is healing thanks to Karin they all would be healing.

" they were there to capture not kill Bee."
So suigetsu's words mean nothing now? Like when he said "forget fighting not to kill we gotta fight to kill just so we can bring him down without killing him" Ok

Chidori spear isn't kinjutsu and would defeat your stance but good job including it, I guess?

That tiny cut ... what? Karin never healed him from that. What are you talking about? Also, this debate is irrelevant, as Bee and Sasuke both used Ninjutsu there.

But, let me reply anyway as you replied: Viz Translation, "thank you, Karin." The wounds were never fatal. The point was skill here. Sasuke proved to be the more skilled one. No body claimed that Sasuke wasn't injured. He was. But the wounds were minor compared to the fatal wounds that could have straight up killed him. He also healed, because he was already badly injured. Add this injury on top and he absoluely needed to heal. Already posted a scan for this. So, no body is clinging. As everything is backed with manga evidence. Heck, Bee disagrees. What's there to debate?

His stabs failed as he meant to kill him. No body is using words to play you as I am the one who posted the detailed scans. Already explained the healing part above.

So? Who cares? Sasuke has only one sword. With that out of the picture, there was nothing he could do. The best he could do was throw it in another hand and use Chidori to avoid the fatal hits. Evading Bee was not an option when Bee was so close.

Suigetsu said to kill him? You do realize that when Bee was falling down, Sasuke could have easily blitzed him and cut his head off? You also realize that when Suigetsu had Bee in his Hydrafication, Sasuke could have speared it through his skull? You also realize that he could have never turned off Amatrerasu, killing Bee? Going at someone with the intent doesn't mean he intended to kill him when he deliberately didn't kill Bee here. Thrice, might I add.

So did Bee right before he created the opening for Kenjutsu? Heck, he created it with injecting more Raiton chakra and Ninjutsu. What's your point? It's OK for Bee to use it, but if Sasuke does it, it's fowl play?

 

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The OP left adding elements to your blade. Bee didn't use ninjutsu until after Sasuke. when it was solely swords with raiton enhancements Bee won, I don't see how you can even argue that when Sasuke had to be saved from a fatal blow and revived to continue fighting? In what world does that make Sasuke the winner of their sword match?

Bee created the whole opening with Ninjutsu:

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Bee's Sword was covered with Raiton charge when Sasuke struck his blade against his. Your Suigtesu example also falls along the same lines, as Bee was using Ninjutsu there as well:

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Sasuke never received a fatal blow from Bee other than after that Genjutsu. How many times do I have to post that scan? Are you deliberately ignoring the manga? Seriously?

 

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Eh? Bee used Ninjutsu as well to match Sasuke's ninjutsu? So, let's throw the whole thing out then?

Which was a result of a ninjutsu as well? Since we are talking about pure Kenjutsu, then Sasuke never failed there bar that one tiny cut.

Chidori spear has nothing to do with Kenjutsu, Unlike what Bee/Sasuke used.
What sasuke/bee did was add Raiton element to enhance their blades cutting power, So the ninjutsu they used was still based on their Kenjutsu.

Even if you take out the elements, Sasuke looked like he was on the back foot when he got sent flying by the first hit, Some could say heresorted to using Raiton because he knew he couldn't win with his normal kenjutsu against bee's unorthodox style.

The point was skill here. Sasuke proved to be the more skilled one. No body claimed that Sasuke wasn't injured. He was. But the wounds were minor compared to the fatal wounds that could have straight up killed him. He also healed, because he was already badly injured. Add this injury on top and he absoluely needed to heal. Already posted a scan for this. So, no body is clinging. As everything is backed with manga evidence. Heck, Bee disagrees. What's there to debate?

@ Bold: So sasuke shows superior skill by taking a minor wounds to the face, getting stabbed multiple times and having his team mades to come and save him from the on coming fatal blow?.

@ underlined even if he was in perfect health and got hit by that same attack, he still would of needed healing regardless, bringing up his previous injures changes nothing on why karin had to heal him.

 

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Chidori spear has nothing to do with Kenjutsu, Unlike what Bee/Sasuke used.
What sasuke/bee did was add Raiton element to enhance their blades cutting power, So the ninjutsu they used was still based on their Kenjutsu.

Raiton because he knew he couldn't win with his normal kenjutsu against bee's unorthodox style.

Coating the sword with Raiton is Ninjutsu.

Based on what? Where is it stated that Sasuke found his style unorthodox? Care to post an evidence? Any evidence?

@ Bold: So sasuke shows superior skill by taking a minor wounds to the face, getting stabbed multiple times and having his team mades to come and save him from the on coming fatal blow?.

@ underlined even if he was in perfect health and got hit by that same attack, he still would of needed healing regardless, bringing up his previous injures changes nothing on why karin had to heal him.

One tiny cut, you mean, which he took whilst being injured? Wow, how skilled. Multiple stab wounds which he failed to penetrate from about two inches away and allowed the man to throw the sword in the other hand and hit himself with a Chidori before a single stab penetrated his skin; also completely non-fatal, might I add? Yup, that's quite skilled as well.

Based on what? You have zero evidence to back up your claim. The manga disagrees. Bee disagrees. Sasuke disagrees. That is all there is to it. I mean, you are repeatedly pulling stuff out of thin air to validate your claims: wounds on the face? Never happened. Stabs being fatal? Never happened. It was only one cut. Sasuke wouldn't have taken him out in the air, when he was using Raiton a second later? Reaching argument. What else?

 

[patrickscott]

I won't lie I think Madara and Hashirama would give him a run for his money.

 

[ToshiZO]

Lmao Sasuke with all the help in the world still managed to get his ass kicked. That was one of the best beatdowns in Naruto.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I won't lie I think Madara and Hashirama would give him a run for his money.

I forgot hashi used swords to, nice one dude, but mads?

 

[shelke]

I forgot hashi used swords to, nice one dude, but mads?

Mads is much superior in CQC. He stabbed Hashirama's SM using posterior about seven times with black rods.