Wait people do realize that Obito's Kamui is the weakest S/T Tech right?

[SasukeSixPack]

You are close minded and have narrow thinking capability.

I catch your thinking. You type "Obito's Kamui" on your thread title and focus only on Obito(Tobi) that Up Against Minato. To wider your brain path way I help and clear it for you. Kakashi was using Obito's eye all along this time. You tried to separate a pair of eyes that originally belong to one person(Obito) and make the original owner have his own eye and separated him from Kakashi that actually using Obito's eye. Making Kakashi as the original owner of MS. Its wrong way of thinking.

Your are speaking about "Obito's Kamui". Not left and not Right. Sure single MS(Kamui) is weak but not when in pair.

Here what I see and get is you tried to compare single Kamui(MS) that Obito holds to other S/T jutsus. Bcus of that you couldnt get the idea behind 'Single Rinnegan point' I bring here.

No.... because in my OP i said that even when Kakashi had the other eye he was able to couter it. My thread is about Obito's Kamui in general..the technique itself. I'm comparing Obito's Mangekyo ability which happens to be a Space time Ninjutsu to all other Space Time Ninjutsu users and it's overall the weakest for reasons I already stated.

 

[ComplexCity]

No.... because in my OP i said that even when Kakashi had the other eye he was able to couter it. My thread is about Obito's Kamui in general..the technique itself. I'm comparing Obito's Mangekyo ability which happens to be a Space time Ninjutsu to all other Space Time Ninjutsu users and it's overall the weakest for reasons I already stated.

And you're doing a horrible job attempting to downplay it

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You want to get the answer/people opinion on whether Kamui is the weakest or not but what I see now is mostly about Kamui vs Amenotejikara.

Please stick to the main objective SasukeSickPotato.

 

[Styles]

I'm just emphasizing that simply having a simplistic understanding such as Obito being incapable of phasing and fighting offensively simultaneously has never resulted in Obito getting slaughtered. Even Minato needed FTG to have the speed required to defeat Obito.

I actually made a mistake Obito can't be intangible and absorb he have to become solid to absorb. That and his intangibility have a time limit if I remember right(from konan vs Obito).

That's also true but neither had intel on it. And when they did(Kakashi) Obito actually got hit a couple of times. What Minato did imo was basically relied on luck and which S/T was quicker to win the fight. But not taking anything away from them.

You realize that even after an MS user with the same S/T ability, two Perfect Jinchuriki of the two strongest Bijuu, and a 7th Gate user knew of Obito's weakness and the exact mechanics of his jutsu, they still couldn't land a killing blow, right?

It's not about a killing blow it's the fact that Kakashi figured out his weakness and was able to harm Obito a couple of times when earlier in the battle they couldn't do anything.

 

[The Necromancer]

It's not about a killing blow it's the fact that Kakashi figured out his weakness and was able to harm Obito a couple of times when earlier in the battle they couldn't do anything.

And? That means literally nothing.

You don't fight to singe someone's arm a little bit, you fight to kill or incapacitate, neither of which the team of four of the strongest living shinobi on the planet could accomplish despite knowing exactly how his jutsu worked, and having the ONLY direct counter to it in the manga.

 

[The Messiah]

No...because there's a difference. Unlinke MAdara Obito can't regenerate and unlike guy Obito can't react

Sasuke can Ameno anything within the radius that was the MANGA and databook says. There was no restrictions on dimensions. I don't think you understand Sasuke's power...


1. Doesn't matter because it's still the same ability. Naruto can't make FTG stronger in any sense

2. Advantages doesn't mean it's overall better. Some situations having a tech like FTG or Ameno is better, in other situations having a tech like Kamui is better. Simple. but over all, Kamui is the weakest and you'll just have to accept that

You just agreed with me. I never said it was stronger all I said was it has it's advantages. I feel like you're severely underestimating kamui.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

You want to get the answer/people opinion on whether Kamui is the weakest or not but what I see now is mostly about Kamui vs Amenotejikara.

Please stick to the main objective SasukeSickPotato.

FTG is equally being discussed so idk what you're trying to get across :lol this isn't a Kamui VS Ameno thread because Ameno is superior once again for reasons already stated and it only comes off this way because the last two S/T Ninjutsu users we saw in action were DMS Kakashi and R-Sasuke then we saw a Kamui like ability from that weird Shin. Keep fighting the good fight tho. I'm still waiting on someone to show me how and why Kamui is the better technique

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Doesn't Say "I tried everything in my arsenal". Stop assuming.

Don't see how this is relevant to my post. You said he can make dimensions effortlessly. Maybe you should choose your verbiage better

He can and he did as shown in the picture I posted. You're posting him getting back his powers, there wasn't a physical portal

I highly doubt that

Because what? Please explain to me how it would even remotely be in a higher tier

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This proves Nothing. She dodged the Chidori used after Ameno, not ameno itself. Just like when Madara dodged Tobirama's strike after he used FTG. Sasuke's S/T Ninjutsu is instant...

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a (1) : measure in one direction; specifically : one of three coordinates determining a position in space or four coordinates determining a position in space and time

radius
noun ra·di·us \ˈrā-dē-əs\

: an area that goes outward in all directions from a particular place

Another fail.

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noun: subspace; plural noun: subspaces; noun: sub-space; plural noun: sub-spaces

1.
Mathematics
a space that is wholly contained in another space, or whose points or elements are all in another space.
2.
(in science fiction) a hypothetical space-time continuum used for communication at a speed faster than that of light.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Sasuke specifically said "Nothing I do works." You think he just forgot to use a Space-Time jutsu while trapped in another dimension? Use your head.

That's not even to mention that Kakashi found it amazing that Sasuke could even summon to Kaguya's dimension in the first place. And Minato claimed in his fight against Obito that the first to land their jutsu would be the undisputed victor, meaning he inferred that he couldn't FTG or reverse summon out of whatever dimension he would be pulled into.

All facts lead to the conclusion that no fodder can simply "reverse summon" their master out of another dimension.

Hmmm ok that makes sense but that wasn't the only way he could have escaped. He could have escaped via the Rin'negan

 

[NarutoX28]

I actually made a mistake Obito can't be intangible and absorb he have to become solid to absorb. That and his intangibility have a time limit if I remember right(from konan vs Obito).

That's also true but neither had intel on it. And when they did(Kakashi) Obito actually got hit a couple of times. What Minato did imo was basically relied on luck and which S/T was quicker to win the fight. But not taking anything away from them.

Sure, but the fact that Kakashi had to cooperate with both Naruto and Gai and had to use a S/T ninjutsu just exploit Obito's own technique suggests it's not as simple as understanding that he has to solidify to attack, especially when we take into consideration that there's honestly no real way to anticipate when he's intending to phase or not considering Obito only phases in response to his body making physical contact with an opposing attack.

I'd honestly chalk that situation up to being an inconsistency. I'm honestly not sure what to make it of it when Minato established exactly what you were suggesting before:

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[The Necromancer]

Hmmm ok that makes sense but that wasn't the only way he could have escaped. He could have escaped via the Rin'negan

Yes he could have, but we're not talking about fanfiction, now are we?

 

[SasukeSixPack]

You just agreed with me. I never said it was stronger all I said was it has it's advantages. I feel like you're severely underestimating kamui.

Because I agree it has it's advantages for certain scenarios. I did say that it's a Kage level Jutsu early in the thread but when compared to the top Space time ninjutsu's it's ranked last

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Honestly the kamui kakashi had is the only reason many people like kamui

 

[ComplexCity]

Doesn't Say "I tried everything in my arsenal". Stop assuming.

Won't dignify this with a response

He can and he did as shown in the picture I posted. You're posting him getting back his powers, there wasn't a physical portal

There was a physical portal that he made that's how the gang followed Shin but whatever you say buddy

Because what? Please explain to me how it would even remotely be in a higher tier

I'm not a fapboy, therefore idk the answer to that

This proves Nothing. [She dodged the Chidori used after Ameno, not ameno itself. Just like when Madara dodged Tobirama's strike after he used FTG. Sasuke's S/T Ninjutsu is instant...

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Another fail.



sub·space
ˈsəbspās/
noun
noun: subspace; plural noun: subspaces; noun: sub-space; plural noun: sub-spaces

1.
Mathematics
a space that is wholly contained in another space, or whose points or elements are all in another space.
2.
(in science fiction) a hypothetical space-time continuum used for communication at a speed faster than that of light.

well there's only one way to settle this. The sooner you show me a scan of Sasuke swapping people across dimensions, the sooner I will agree with you

 

[NarutoX28]

Minato admitted that Kamui was superior to his won S/T ninjutsu. This is some serious downplay if you literally don't believe it's an elite technique. It's literally one of the best, if not, the best defensive technique in the manga.

 

[ComplexCity]

Hmmm ok that makes sense but that wasn't the only way he could have escaped. He could have escaped via the Rin'negan

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[The Necromancer]

Minato admitted that Kamui was superior to his won S/T ninjutsu. This is some serious downplay if you literally don't believe it's an elite technique. It's literally one of the best, if not, the best defensive technique in the manga.

It's the best. There's literally only 1 technique in the series that can completely nullify Obito's kamui, and that's Konan's 600 Billion paper bombs. The only one. It's the perfect defense. Period.

 

[Ansatsuken]

No.... because in my OP i said that even when Kakashi had the other eye he was able to couter it. My thread is about Obito's Kamui in general..the technique itself. I'm comparing Obito's Mangekyo ability which happens to be a Space time Ninjutsu to all other Space Time Ninjutsu users and it's overall the weakest for reasons I already stated.

Only Kamui can counter Kamui. Thats how Obito reversing Kakashi's Kamui attack on GM's head.

I bring Rinnegan as example to show you any Doujutsu that originally came in par will lost half of its power when separated.

The weakest by your kid level judgment. Do you know how to judge. I believe you will be the worse judge ever.

-Only Konan manage to kill Obito where JJ Madara couldnt but SM Minato get schooled by JJ Madara the hard way.

-4 people one with Kamui still unable to silent Obito. Imagine if Obito have both eyes.

-Kamui have 2 chances to stop Kaguya revival when she still a GM.

-Kamui manage to cancel out Yomotsu Hirasaka a Space Time jutsu itself where Amenotejikara couldnt.

This is some of Kamui Resume's content/info.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Yes he could have, but we're not talking about fanfiction, now are we?

Lol. I dont get it. Sasuke wasn't there long enough to find a method of escape doesn't mean it's impossible. Yes I think he could have escaped via the Rin'engan

Won't dignify this with a response






There was a physical portal that he made that's how the gang followed Shin but whatever you say buddy




I'm not a fapboy, therefore idk the answer to that

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well there's only one way to settle this. The sooner you show me a scan of Sasuke swapping people across dimensions, the sooner I will agree with you

So pretty much you couldn't refute anything. I already should you the Databook description of the Jutsu and explanation of how it works. If you don't want to agree with Kishimoto on Ameno's abilities then that's you my dude :lol

Minato admitted that Kamui was superior to his won S/T ninjutsu. This is some serious downplay if you literally don't believe it's an elite technique. It's literally one of the best, if not, the best defensive technique in the manga.

I don't think it's a noob jutsu. I'm just comparing it to the other space time tech's. In terms of execution which Minato was talking about Kamui > FTG but over all FTG > Kamui which is why Minato trashed Obito. As I said it may be good for some aspects but for others no. Konana's paper bombs would never work for FTG, the user could escape that while Kamui users can't. IT varies depending on the situation but as for over all it's at the bottom of the pile

 

[ComplexCity]

Lol. I dont get it. Sasuke wasn't there long enough to find a method of escape doesn't mean it's impossible. Yes I think he could have escaped via the Rin'engan

How many times do I have to post this?

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Manga showed he couldn't escape, therefore he couldn't escape. What do you need help understanding?

So pretty much you couldn't refute anything. I already should you the Databook description of the Jutsu and explanation of how it works. If you don't want to agree with Kishimoto on Ameno's abilities then that's you my dude :lol

I asked you for a manga scan, if it didn't happen in the manga then it didn't happen

Let's use your logic.


Since Naruto had the Creator of all thee Knowledge, then he could primary decode the functionality of Mugen Tskuyomi. However, since the manga didn't give enough screentime to show how he would, then that doesn't mean he can't

I don't think it's a noob jutsu. I'm just comparing it to the other space time tech's. In terms of execution which Minato was talking about Kamui > FTG but over all FTG > Kamui which is why Minato trashed Obito. As I said it may be good for some aspects but for others no. Konana's paper bombs would never work for FTG, the user could escape that while Kamui users can't. IT varies depending on the situation but as for over all it's at the bottom of the pile

Waiting till Kamui runs out is not dealing with Kamui

 

[SasukeSixPack]

How many times do I have to post this?

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Manga showed he couldn't escape, therefore he couldn't escape. What do you need help understanding?



I asked you for a manga scan, if it didn't happen in the manga then it didn't happen

Let's use your logic.


Since Naruto had the Creator of all thee Knowledge, then he could primary decode the functionality of Mugen Tskuyomi. However, since the manga didn't give enough screentime to show how he would, then that doesn't mean he can't





Waiting till Kamui runs out is not dealing with Kamui

I don't need a scan if the Databook and Manga gave a description of the Jutsu. :lol you don't hear anyone questioning DB going around asking for Scans of Yata blocking any attack and things like that. If the author says so then that's what it is

Bold makes no sense because 1, he would be caught in it. 2, even if he could understand how the jutsu works it doesn't mean he can stop it because he still needs Sasuke to do so.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Lol. I dont get it. Sasuke wasn't there long enough to find a method of escape doesn't mean it's impossible. Yes I think he could have escaped via the Rin'engan

At that time he couldnt but now he can. But still opening a portal is not a part of Amenotejikara capability as DB never said it.

I don't think it's a noob jutsu. I'm just comparing it to the other space time tech's. In terms of execution which Minato was talking about Kamui > FTG but over all FTG > Kamui which is why Minato trashed Obito. As I said it may be good for some aspects but for others no. Konana's paper bombs would never work for FTG, the user could escape that while Kamui users can't. IT varies depending on the situation but as for over all it's at the bottom of the pile

lel simplistic and uneducated thinking here.

Konan need years preparing a strategy to counter Obito but if you base your judgement on escaping capability against a lake of paper bomb, its not enough. Obito can finish off Konan easily if he have both Kamui. Its pity that he only had Travel and intangibility type Kamui eye at that time and not offensive Kamui which Kakashi holds. Who need to escape when you can just go for kill without slowing down like FTG user.

Like I said before Kamui Snipe is a Good Bye attack