shared vision in a forest against a non-sensor will make this a lot harder for itachi to win vs in most other environments, but I still think he'd win more often than not even in S2 since they haven't shown anything that hits really hard in base and V1. They can give him a lot of trouble using fuu's dust ability and Han's explosive bubble trap though.
I basically mean they are the same as when when naruto and bee fought them but they are alive. As for the paths abilites like summons or chakra absorption that is a no. Seeing as how they were not able to use it under tobi
I basically mean they are the same as when when naruto and bee fought them but they are alive. As for the paths abilites like summons or chakra absorption that is a no. Seeing as how they were not able to use it under tobi
Itachi wins without much difficulty.
-Paths can't dodge amatersu
-They don't have the firepower to take down susanoo
-This is healthy itachi so he could likely use tsukuyomi a couple of times
-Edo tensei or not they get sealed by totsuka blade
-You even gave itachi intel
Dead giveaway at the start.
Itachi wins without much difficulty.
-Paths can't dodge amatersu
-They don't have the firepower to take down susanoo
-This is healthy itachi so he could likely use tsukuyomi a couple of times
-Edo tensei or not they get sealed by totsuka blade
-You even gave itachi intel
Dead giveaway at the start.
It's not nearly that easy given that:
- the battlefield has tons of trees that the paths can easily escape to once they sense amaterasu coming
- itachi is still alive so his stamina and physical strength get affected by his use of MS techniques
- the paths have sharingans for prediction and rinnegans for shared vision making them extremely difficult to hit, expecially when it's 1 vs 6.
- Fuu can blind itachi with her shiny dust powder making him unable to use things like amaterasu
- no reason why torture occular genjutsu would affect beings who are chakra linked, powered by bijuu chakra, have the rinnegan and sharingan, and aren't even alive.
I'm not seeing how this is 'without much difficulty' especially for a person who gets out of breath after using a few MS techniques.
This is healthy itachi though. So no illness will be affecting his stamina or anything, sure he could probably not spam it every second but he should last as long as MS sasuke did before going blind at best.
- the paths have sharingans for prediction and rinnegans for shared vision making them extremely difficult to hit, expecially when it's 1 vs 6.
I don't see how that'd be much of a problem since itachi would place majority of them in genjutsu or he can use tsukuyomi to disable one of them at least.
- Fuu can blind itachi with her shiny dust powder making him unable to use things like amaterasu
Since itachi has intel, he'll likely take her out first. Finger genjutsu or he mows her down with totsuka blade. Even if he gets blinded by it, he'd still be able to have susanoo up and be unaffected at all by their attacks.
- no reason why torture occular genjutsu would affect beings who are chakra linked, powered by bijuu chakra, have the rinnegan and sharingan, and aren't even alive.
All of that other stuff is irrelevant, they aren't buddy with the bijuus so no genjutsu breaking and apparently you need to "have the same blood" as itachi to break tsukuyomi, not reflected sharingans or whatever the hell obito gave them. Also they're alive, not edo tensei in this battle. Didn't you read the OP?
I'm not seeing how this is 'without much difficulty' especially for a person who gets out of breath after using a few MS techniques.
What feats do the paths even have to dodge something like ama? :lol[/QOTE]
They don't have to dodge anything, they just have to get behind cover when they sense itachi is going to use amaterasu. And that scan you provided happened after ama had a lot of time to spread after it was scattered all over the place by kirin.
This is healthy itachi though. So no illness will be affecting his stamina or anything, sure he could probably not spam it every second but he should last as long as MS sasuke did before going blind at best.
The problem isn't about him going blind because Sasuke had several chakra refills till that happened to him. The problem is it will drain his chakra meaning he can't use the techniques as much, and it cripples him physically.
I don't see how that'd be much of a problem since itachi would place majority of them in genjutsu or he can use tsukuyomi to disable one of them at least.
Since itachi has intel, he'll likely take her out first. Finger genjutsu or he mows her down with totsuka blade. Even if he gets blinded by it, he'd still be able to have susanoo up and be unaffected at all by their attacks.
I don't see how any of them would be affected by his tsukuyomi let alone finger genjutsu that worked on beginning of part 2 base naruto. Not only that but finger genjutsu only fools sight, which would be meaningless if you have multiple eyes looking around at the environment, and since Obito is controlling them all via chakra, he could just send them a burst of chakra to snap them out.
All of that other stuff is irrelevant, they aren't buddy with the bijuus so no genjutsu breaking and apparently you need to "have the same blood" as itachi to break tsukuyomi, not reflected sharingans or whatever the hell obito gave them. Also they're alive, not edo tensei in this battle. Didn't you read the OP?
the stronger the opponent's chakra, the harder it is to put them into genjutsu which is why we never see top tiers being affected by low tier genjutsu. Can you give me evidence that itachi stating that you need to have the same blood is an all encompassing statement rather than a statement of context referring to kakashi's lack of uchiha blood? They seem to have actual sharingans and fake rinnegans like the ones pain gave his puppets. I read the OP, I interpreted that as them being like pain's bodies: not actually alive, but not edo tenseis.
because in part 1 when he was healthy, he starts huffing and puffing after using 1 tsukuyomi, and then has to shut off his sharingan entirely after using an additional amaterasu and tsukuyomi.
I'm going to leave out his feats in his sick fight since he's healthy here. Sasuke was out of breath after using susannoo for a few panels and then an amaterasu. He ends up only being able to use susanoo for 10 minutes, coughing up blood and unable to stand at certain points in that time. If Susanoo drains the user so much, I don't see itachi being able to beat them with the MS and still call it a low difficulty fight for him.
It's laughable how anyone can argue for Itachi, when it's realistically obvious the paths massacre him. Tsukuyomi is useless because of Genjutsu partner; the Jinchuriki's either have Obito or Biju's to free them. Amatersu is useless against Biju cloak as shown by the superior brother (Sasuke). The paths just dodge Susanoo until Itachi dies from exhaustion. There is no differentiation between so-called ''healthy'' Itachi and sick Itachi. There was never a healthy Itachi, this is something fanboys made up. He dies from exhaustion after using MS techniques 3 times.
It's laughable how anyone can argue for Itachi, when it's realistically obvious the paths massacre him. Tsukuyomi is useless because of Genjutsu partner; the Jinchuriki's either have Obito or Biju's to free them. Amatersu is useless against Biju cloak as shown by the superior brother (Sasuke). The paths just dodge Susanoo until Itachi dies from exhaustion. There is no differentiation between so-called ''healthy'' Itachi and sick Itachi. There was never a healthy Itachi, this is something fanboys made up. He dies from exhaustion after using MS techniques 3 times.
couldn't has sickness have chewed into his stamina for MS techniques or was he not sick in part 1 where that rule was established? I remember Kakashi saying you can't break MS genjutsu because it happens to quickly. It was around when they fought the fake Itachi in the Gaara Rescue arc.
They don't have to dodge anything, they just have to get behind cover when they sense itachi is going to use amaterasu. And that scan you provided happened after ama had a lot of time to spread after it was scattered all over the place by kirin.
"sense" it? When did they display sensory feats?
You have a point but in just one page between, ama went from this.
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They also have no intel so how would they know what's going to come at them even if they can sense it? They'll just sense chakra build up, assuming they even have sensory feats.
The problem isn't about him going blind because Sasuke had several chakra refills till that happened to him. The problem is it will drain his chakra meaning he can't use the techniques as much, and it cripples him physically.
I might be wrong on this but i only remember him having his chakra restored twice. That was after and during when he fought multiple kage level enemies. Got restored by zetsu spore and karin, after that he fought danzo and kakashi, then clashed with naruto. With no breaks or being healed, he was still standing up afterwards. He also used MS during his fight with bee so the sideeffects begin to happen.
I don't see how any of them would be affected by his tsukuyomi let alone finger genjutsu that worked on beginning of part 2 base naruto. Not only that but finger genjutsu only fools sight, which would be meaningless if you have multiple eyes looking around at the environment, and since Obito is controlling them all via chakra, he could just send them a burst of chakra to snap them out.
Hmm, wouldn't the user experience that mental trauma since they "See through" the paths?
That was 30% itachi clone that put naruto under genjutsu, i mean even naruto told bee(perfect jins) to be wary of itachi's genjutsu.
Edit: I'll drop this point since obito has MS. but i still wonder if he'll break it automatically or fight it off for a while.
the stronger the opponent's chakra, the harder it is to put them into genjutsu which is why we never see top tiers being affected by low tier genjutsu. Can you give me evidence that itachi stating that you need to have the same blood is an all encompassing statement rather than a statement of context referring to kakashi's lack of uchiha blood? They seem to have actual sharingans and fake rinnegans like the ones pain gave his puppets. I read the OP, I interpreted that as them being like pain's bodies: not actually alive, but not edo tenseis.
Yeah, meant to correct myself on the pain body part.
because in part 1 when he was healthy, he starts huffing and puffing after using 1 tsukuyomi, and then has to shut off his sharingan entirely after using an additional amaterasu and tsukuyomi.
It's pretty iffy when itachi started getting sick, actually wasn't it what caused his stamina to be low?...
I'm going to leave out his feats in his sick fight since he's healthy here. Sasuke was out of breath after using susannoo for a few panels and then an amaterasu. He ends up only being able to use susanoo for 10 minutes, coughing up blood and unable to stand at certain points in that time. If Susanoo drains the user so much, I don't see itachi being able to beat them with the MS and still call it a low difficulty fight for him.
Sasuke was barely learning how to use susanoo and all that, i assume itachi had his mastery over susanoo and such as when he was sick, just healthy this time. Unless this itachi going through the stages of susanoo then yeah that might be a different outcome.
"sense" it? When did they display sensory feats?
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They also have no intel so how would they know what's going to come at them even if they can sense it? They'll just sense chakra build up, assuming they even have sensory feats.
The second picture isn't showing up for me, but im guessing its the one where one of the rings on the uchiha complex is all on fire? Yeah your right it spreads pretty fast. Well nagato sensed it and since obito is controlling them since they are his paths of pain, he should at least be able to sense it as well since he has the rinnegan. If not, they all have the rinnegan and sharingan, I don't see why they can't detect the chakra build up in the eye of itachi. As for knowledge, if Nagato had knowledge I don't see why obito wouldn't have it either.
I might be wrong on this but i only remember him having his chakra restored twice. That was after and during when he fought multiple kage level enemies. Got restored by zetsu spore and karin, after that he fought danzo and kakashi, then clashed with naruto. With no breaks or being healed, he was still standing up afterwards. He also used MS during his fight with bee so the sideeffects begin to happen.
Three times IIRC. Zetsu spore, Karin while in Kamui, and then he bit Karin after stabbing Danzou, although I don't think he was fully restored after biting karin. He did have somewhat of a break after the danzou fight as he talked to obito and then to sakura, but nothing substantial.
Hmm, wouldn't the user experience that mental trauma since they "See through" the paths?
That was 30% itachi clone that put naruto under genjutsu, i mean even naruto told bee(perfect jins) to be wary of itachi's genjutsu.
If they only 'see through' the paths, it would be like watching torture through TV. I don't think nagato was paralyzed when his paths were hit by frog genjutsu, nor do I think nagato experiences the pain of his paths when they get hit by techniques or killed.
You're right, they are fake, but if implanting them gave them the occular prediction abilities of the sharingan, I don't see why they wouldn't inherit the ability to see through genjutsu as well.
IDK plus, powers were inflated a lot towards the end of part 2. It's very possible that if itachi was alive and healthy in the war, he'd be spamming MS techniques even more than Kakashi.
The second picture isn't showing up for me, but im guessing its the one where one of the rings on the uchiha complex is all on fire? Yeah your right it spreads pretty fast. Well nagato sensed it and since obito is controlling them since they are his paths of pain, he should at least be able to sense it as well since he has the rinnegan. If not, they all have the rinnegan and sharingan, I don't see why they can't detect the chakra build up in the eye of itachi. As for knowledge, if Nagato had knowledge I don't see why obito wouldn't have it either.
The scan i posted had half of it on fire already and yeah, i keep forgetting obito would be the one controlling them and not just them acting independently w/o control.
It just comes down to if they're fast enough to escape amatersu if itachi drags it to them, they likely won't be affected by it in v1 cloaks. i think? Thought they likely can't react to totsuka blade's speed.
Since, not even nagato saw it coming. he doesn't need to seal them either because they're just corpse and not edo tensei.
Three times IIRC. Zetsu spore, Karin while in Kamui, and then he bit Karin after stabbing Danzou, although I don't think he was fully restored after biting karin. He did have somewhat of a break after the danzou fight as he talked to obito and then to sakura, but nothing substantial.
Ok, itachi should still be able to have susanoo up for minutes at least.
If they only 'see through' the paths, it would be like watching torture through TV. I don't think nagato was paralyzed when his paths were hit by frog genjutsu, nor do I think nagato experiences the pain of his paths when they get hit by techniques or killed.
Yeah, i edited my argument. Even if obito got hit by Tsukyomi he'd break it or fend it off shortly since he has MS.
I'll drop the genjutsu part since i really don't feel like reading thru a bunch of pages.
Itachi wins without much difficulty.
-Paths can't dodge amatersu - Amaterasu isn't bypassing v1 cloak
-They don't have the firepower to take down susanoo- No need when they can outlast Itachi
-This is healthy itachi so he could likely use tsukuyomi a couple of times- Not a chance sense we seen Amaterasu plus 2 Tskuyomi's burn him out.
-Edo tensei or not they get sealed by totsuka blade- Fair enough
-You even gave itachi intel- This doesn't help him
Dead giveaway at the start.
That's assuming they can keep the fight that long, unless most of the time they try to use hit and run tactics. I doubt they have the speed to run from totsuka blade skewering or bisecting them.
Not a chance sense we seen Amaterasu plus 2 Tskuyomi's burn him out.
Yeah but that takes them out in the first scenario.
That's assuming they can keep the fight that long, unless most of the time they try to use hit and run tactics. I doubt they have the speed to run from totsuka blade skewering or bisecting them.
That's when he was sick, right?....
It at least tells itachi which path would be the most bothersome, thus having him take out that path first. Like fuu's blinding powder,etc.
couldn't has sickness have chewed into his stamina for MS techniques or was he not sick in part 1 where that rule was established? I remember Kakashi saying you can't break MS genjutsu because it happens to quickly. It was around when they fought the fake Itachi in the Gaara Rescue arc.
He already said in P1 he can only use it 3 times a day. Healthy Itachi is fanfic. Yeah, and Obito's Chakra transmitted to the Paths is passive, which surpasses the speed of Tsukuyomi.
