Even without kurama,Naruto would have been stronger!

[Hagoromo sennin]

I read a thread that was created some hours ago, wherein it was stated that naruto would have been nothing without kurama.
I agree That naruto paralleling asura needed the motivation, help and cooperation of others to succeed, and even then, it was HIS OWN hard work put into it that made his sage of six paths senjustsu chakra to blossom...
No one can refute the fact that everyone needed help to succeed, even kaguya needs the help of a fodder called black zetsu to be revived.
Even though kishi doesn't find another way of making naruto haxxed without kurama, naruto would have still awakened the sage of six paths senjutsu, because he parallels asura who even though had no bijuu but still awakened rikoudu mode.

 

[Guntah]

That is a stupid discussion. No one knows what would happen if Naruto did not have the Kyuubi on him, since it changes the very principles of the series from the very start and affects everything that happens afterwards. He could be a genius in his own way without the Kyuubi to hold him back on his early years or he could turn out a failure regardless of the fox's interferance. No one knows and discussing it won't lead anywhere

 

[NineSNS]

Naruto didn't awaken six paths senjutsu, it was given to him by Hagoromo.

And one of the main reasons the sage recognized him as being like Asura (and therefore worthy of receiving six paths senjutsu) is because he befriended the bijuu, the most hateful of which was Kurama.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

That is a stupid discussion. No one knows what would happen if Naruto did not have the Kyuubi on him, since it changes the very principles of the series from the very start and affects everything that happens afterwards. He could be a genius in his own way without the Kyuubi to hold him back on his early years or he could turn out a failure regardless of the fox's interferance. No one knows and discussing it won't lead anywhere

Wtf?!?... Weren't u in the last thread which stated that naruto would have been nothing without kurama?
Am mainly station that with naruto being the main character, kishi would have found a way to make him really haxed with or without kurama.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Naruto didn't awaken six paths senjutsu, it was given to him by Hagoromo.

And one of the main reasons the sage recognized him as being like Asura (and therefore worthy of receiving six paths senjutsu) is because he befriended the bijuu, the most hateful of which was Kurama.

Nope..wrong He's a reincarnation of asura... Yea hagoromo gave him the same thing asura awakened.. Let's not forget asura had no bijuu tho.

 

[Ansatsuken]

First of all goal to succeed is different to goal to be revived back

Bcus in Kaguya case she got sealed, trapped and lack of chakra. Same cant be say to Naruto/Ashura as they are free.

Kaguya can achieve victory on her own bcus only thing can stop her is the seals.

Therefore you need to take out Kaguya from the equation.

Second, yes I agree Naruto still can be stronger even without Kurama. Even in Sasuke case he got help from other people like Kakashi and Orochimaru to master new techniques and power. Just after that he walks alone toward his goal unlike Indra wheres he learn most of the things by himself given that Hagoromo never taught everyone Ninjutsu and Indra was called as the one who invented Ninjutsu.

With support from many experts on something they specialize Naruto can learn various kinds of Jutsu and enhancement. Example: Sage Mode - Toad Sage, Sealing tech - Jiraiya or people that having expertise in sealing jutsu etc.

The base of Naruto's potential would change also where he will be given massive amount of chakra close if not on par with Hashirama. Natural affinity like doton to Hashirama Mokuton or super sealing Jutsu like adamantine chains.

 

[Guntah]

Wtf?!?... Weren't u in the last thread which stated that naruto would have been nothing without kurama?
Am mainly station that with naruto being the main character, kishi would have found a way to make him really haxed with or without kurama.

If I was, I was in disagreement since Naruto without Kurama is still a Kage level Sage Mode user.

But yeah....I really don't see the point of this thread if that's wht you have to state. Why bother wondering something like that?

 

[SZiaee]

The thread you are referring to , was backed up with Manga facts ; While this thread is simply your imagination and not facts .
No one knows what would have happened if Kurama wasn't there ; you can't even prove he would survive without Kurama .

 

[Umari Senju]

The thread you are referring to , was backed up with Manga facts ; While this thread is simply your imagination and not facts .
No one knows what would have happened if Kurama wasn't there ; you can't even prove he would survive without Kurama .

Naruto is the main protagonist of....Naruto. That goes without saying that he would, more than likely, survive this. But yeah he still had sage mode, but more importantly, if he didn't have Kurama Kishi would have more than likely played up the Uzumaki heritage and given him Uzumaki seals.....that or he would have just been a copy and paste of Minato, in my opinion at least.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

The thread you are referring to , was backed up with Manga facts ; While this thread is simply your imagination and not facts .
No one knows what would have happened if Kurama wasn't there ; you can't even prove he would survive without Kurama .

Backed up by facts my ass... U backed it up with someones past that held no viable logic anymore because said character was about to be granted means to defeat an opponent...
U even directed it to a particular fandom when other characters where in the same shoes..
I could say kakashi was nothing without obitos sharing an..
I could say madara was nothing without hashis dna
I could say more than half of narutoverse we're nothing without a particular borrowed power..
And it's nice being an hypocrite ,when you clearly knew no one knows what would have happened, why create that shitty thread?!?

 

[SZiaee]

Naruto is the main protagonist of....Naruto. That goes without saying that he would, more than likely, survive this. But yeah he still had sage mode, but more importantly, if he didn't have Kurama Kishi would have more than likely played up the Uzumaki heritage and given him Uzumaki seals.....that or he would have just been a copy and paste of Minato, in my opinion at least.

Completely get that ; the whole thing I'm saying is : "People mustn't try re-writing the story without Kurama " ....
These discussions will only lead to "I can't prove what I'm saying / You can't prove what you're saying" ..... Which means nonsense .
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This discussion is going like others ; Every one is trying so hard for his fav ; Naruto fans keep saying "Naruto would be God without Kurama" and Sasuke fans keep saying "He would be dead without Kurama" .......
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This thread is backed up with no manga facts and is Op's imagination ; Every person has his own imagination and can re-write the story the way he likes .... Which means none sense .

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Completely get that ; the whole thing I'm saying is : "People mustn't try re-writing the story without Kurama " ....
These discussions will only lead to "I can't prove what I'm saying / You can't prove what you're saying" ..... Which means nonsense .
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This discussion is going like others ; Every one is trying so hard for his fav ; Naruto fans keep saying "Naruto would be God without Kurama" and Sasuke fans keep saying "He would be dead without Kurama" .......
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This thread is backed up with no manga facts and is Op's imagination ; Every person has his own imagination and can re-write the story the way he likes .... Which means none sense .

Dude... Ur such a hypocrite!...
You directed your thread to ONLY NAruto fans,
In your thread, u stated naruto would have been nothing without kurama.
No bullshit like trying to rewrite aNy story line..u said no such thing..
Damn dude, stay on ur freaking word!

 

[SZiaee]

Backed up by facts my ass... U backed it up with someones past that held no viable logic anymore because said character was about to be granted means to defeat an opponent...
U even directed it to a particular fandom when other characters where in the same shoes..
I could say kakashi was nothing without obitos sharing an..
I could say madara was nothing without hashis dna
I could say more than half of narutoverse we're nothing without a particular borrowed power..
And it's nice being an hypocrite ,when you clearly knew no one knows what would have happened, why create that shitty thread?!?

Funny , a person who uses his imagination is quoting me ; Seems people want to close their eyes at manga facts and see what they like .
Just to prove you're wrong :
I said many times in the comments that almost every one needed cooperation (All NV except Kaguya and Indra) ....
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I said many times that Sasuke , Itachi , Jiraiya , Ashura , Hagoromo , Shikamaru , etc were nothing without cooperation .
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You can call every thread that bothers you a $hitty thread .... While your own thread is nothing more than your imagination .....
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Every child can write the Naruto story the way he likes ..... That doesn't make it facts , tho .

 

[Liquid Snake]

Dude... Ur such a hypocrite!...
You directed your thread to ONLY NAruto fans,
In your thread, u stated naruto would have been nothing without kurama.
No bullshit like trying to rewrite aNy story line..u said no such thing..
Damn dude, stay on ur freaking word!

Dude when will u realize sasuke fans are delusional its pointless arguing with them they completely ignore common sense and logic

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Funny , a person who uses his imagination is quoting me ; Seems people want to close their eyes at manga facts and see what they like .
Just to prove you're wrong :
I said many times in the comments that almost every one needed cooperation (All NV except Kaguya and Indra) ....
........
I said many times that Sasuke , Itachi , Jiraiya , Ashura , Hagoromo , Shikamaru , etc were nothing without cooperation .
.........
You can call every thread that bothers you a $hitty thread .... While your own thread is nothing more than your imagination .....
.............
Every child can write the Naruto story the way he likes ..... That doesn't make it facts , tho .

This would have been better if i could find your thread, but oh well..
It's not an imagination, it's basically fact, it revolves around naruto, it's called naruto for a reason,.
Without kurama,kishi would still have found a way to buff up naruto.
I will say it again, u where the one creating imaginations with your thread, you stated naruto would have been no where as strong if he didn't have kurama. If thats not rewriting, i don't know what it's called...

 

[Liquid Snake]

Funny , a person who uses his imagination is quoting me ; Seems people want to close their eyes at manga facts and see what they like .
Just to prove you're wrong :
I said many times in the comments that almost every one needed cooperation (All NV except Kaguya and Indra) ....
........
I said many times that Sasuke , Itachi , Jiraiya , Ashura , Hagoromo , Shikamaru , etc were nothing without cooperation .
.........
You can call every thread that bothers you a $hitty thread .... While your own thread is nothing more than your imagination .....
.............
Every child can write the Naruto story the way he likes ..... That doesn't make it facts , tho .

Kaguya needed the chakra fruit and needed the help of her friends who died to help survive her husband trying to kill her that sounds like help and wasn't she making an army and didn't Indra have next making him awaken his sharigan andpputtingin position to get stronger and didn't he need his friends he killed to unlock ems so basically it's u who are confused

 

[Ansatsuken]

Kaguya needed the chakra fruit and needed the help of her friends who died to help survive her husband trying to kill her that sounds like help and wasn't she making an army and didn't Indra have next making him awaken his sharigan andpputtingin position to get stronger and didn't he need his friends he killed to unlock ems so basically it's u who are confused

Are you friend of 123filler?

Using filler as a support for your post is worse than corruption/bribery.

And she making/creating an army for no concrete reason cant be used as supporting material. If you are not that idiot to thinking wisely, starting from Kaguya arc and entering Boruto series all things turned BS and non sense - incoherent.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Lmao... I have nothing to say anymore.. This guy is a hypocrite,
I tried looking for his shitty thread,i couldn't find it, he deleted it!
Damn some fanboys are reaching because Nardo beats their fave!

 

[SZiaee]

This would have been better if i could find your thread, but oh well..
It's not an imagination, it's basically fact, it revolves around naruto, it's called naruto for a reason,.
Without kurama,kishi would still have found a way to buff up naruto.
I will say it again, u where the one creating imaginations with your thread, you stated naruto would have been no where as strong if he didn't have kurama. If thats not rewriting, i don't know what it's called...

I said without cooperation ..... Naruto's nothing without Cooperation ; So is Sasuke ; So is Itachi , so is Madara , so is Hagoromo .
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Seems you don't know the diference between cooperation and Kurama ?

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Are you friend of 123filler?

Using filler as a support for your post is worse than corruption/bribery.

And she making/creating an army for no concrete reason cant be used as supporting material. If you are not that idiot to thinking wisely, starting from Kaguya arc and entering Boruto series all things turned BS and non sense - incoherent.

Bro... Kaguya needed the help of bz to be revived, nothing more..
Her main body was sealed in the moon, while her chakra was extracted.it still doesn't change the fact that she needed BZetsus HELP.