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Ok. Ill agree that the eight tails clone will give B and Ay IV the win here. Dont agree with everything said here though (and most of what unorthodox said is wrong) but im not going to bother.
[VS] Gai Sensei and 3rd Raikage Vs 4rth Raikage and Killer Bee
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Yeah. The 7th Gate/ Hirudora posts were comical based on what he's shown in the Manga. Especially in the last gate with repeated EE and NG which are by far more taxing. Him not being able to use 3 AT's is a joke despite the fact that he used 1 AT(despite being weakened) followed by at least 2 EE's with NG.
Draegod's post was really good though.
OP: 3rd Raikage canceled out Hachibi by himself
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while Gai alone would defeat Ay without question. Team 1 takes this.
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Unorthodox
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Shut yo dumbass up.
Each gate has it's own set up. 6 gates limit is morning peacock 7 is hirudora 8th is night moth him using multi EEs in 8th does not translation to his stamina when 8th gates uses life force.
You and that other kid. Made it clear I hate debating you two but count yourself lucky for now. Don't see myself responding again.
Uses his life force or whatever is the usual Unorthodox style of thinking which I of all people won't embrace. Gai dies after this Gate but there's the fact that every single gate is also opened during this process, how long he keeps it up is based on his endurance alone. Example: Gai tries to continue using EE but he stopped because of the Pain. He had to get used to it
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1. Top left shows this is based on Gai's endurance alone. The Pain prevented him from continuing but he had to battle while in it like in every other gate so your stupid life force point can be thrown out the window.
2. Lee states in the middle " The 5th is already hard on the body, I can imagine how Painful the 8th would be". This should completely shut down any silly point as this proves he's going through the same effect but a more taxing one here.
When the 8th is opened, all others are opened. What were seeing from Gai is his endurance level as Lee stated there. If Gai can endure the Pain caused by the 8th, then he can endure the effects of the 7th with no issue. The 8th Gate doesn't keep him alive to use all those techniques, he endures the damage done while using those techniques. Gai is enduring what's been done to his body and this is a combination of all the Gates.
The Gates have the same effect on the body but the 8th Gate just does the most damage that ultimately leads to the user's death. Collected from the DB:
Nowhere in the entire DB or Manga was this rubbish life force point mention or dropped. Only God knows where you got that from. If you're basing this of the fact that Gai fell down after his 7G attacks:
1. He did it at his limit when facing Madara after opening multiple Gates against Obito's Mazou and Bijuu's plus the fact that he battled Obito in base. Plus the fact that he was battling in Kakashi's division before coming. He only chakra from Kurama or healed by Sakura after these scenarios.
2. Before he battled JJ Madara, he was incredibly weakened as shown and stated here:
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and came and saved Kakashi in the Gates.3. He battled Kisame and used Hirudora but even opened the 6th and use Asakujaku before this which is what the 6th grants. Was still on his feet battling here
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and here
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. That discredits your point.Gai has shown that he can hold up the Gates as far as he's using it. The damaged done is only seen after he goes off the gates which is perfectly understood when you look at his previous state before the Gate. Madara's case compared to the Kisame case is a good example. Gai was exhausted completely yet opened the Gate(Held it up) and saved Kakashi. You sir, have no point here. Done with you for sure.
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Actually it wasn't really bigger considering it was still small enough to fit inside GSB mouth[
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] Hirudora only looks super huge when it first comes out.
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The reason he was able to constant use multiple EE and why he can't use multiple Hirudora's is because once he enters 8th gate his limits are removed[
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] Therefore his limits with 8th gates are much greater than in 7 and down. So no he can't use multiple Hirudora's. Killer bee isn't getting handled by 3rd Raikage when he can simple nuke the bf killing Gai and the 3rd Raikage.
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The panels clearly show Hirudora going from being the same size as GSB to shrinking when it reached it
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L0l that's not shrinking bro. You claim the one he used against Kisame was bigger but it really wasn't Hirudora starts off that huge and reverts to it's normal size. The one he used against Madara had this same affect. Which means they were the same size so the whole base of your argument that the Hirudora used against Kisame would be stronger is completely irrelevant since we've seen how small it got which means it was no bigger than the one he used against Madara.
