Curse seal Sasuke V.S Kakuzu

[Paulson3lt]

Sasuke (Same as when he fought Itachi. GENJUTSU AND MANDA SUMMON ARE RESTRICTED)


V.S


Kakuzu (Alive)




Fight takes place in large forest

Start out 50 yards apart

No intel on either subject

Fight to the death

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke shits.

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke wins this everytime

 

[EZQ]

Sasuke wins. Med diff.

Kakuzu can't take him down. Kakashi dodged Kakuzu's attacks on point blank and med air (i firmly believe he used a bunshin) and Sasuke, who's speed is above this Kakashi's, doesn't have clones but has wings instead, that's a lot better.

If we talk about CQC, the only chance Kakuzu gets is if sasuke doesn't have knowledge, he gets overconfident in having taken Kakuzu's heart and Kakuzu uses his threads to trap him. Sasuke always enhaces his sword with lightining so he shits on domu.

I don't see Kakuzu winning this. He can use Zukkoku and make Sasuke jump to dodge it and then use his threads to trap him, just like he did to Kakashi, and that's it. The chances for Kakuzu are really low.

 

[Zexion~]

Kakuzu can't take him down. Kakashi dodged Kakuzu's attacks on point blank and med air (i firmly believe he used a bunshin) and Sasuke, who's speed is above this Kakashi's, doesn't have clones but has wings instead, that's a lot better.

Featless Wings? Kakashi was still struck down after a while, and dodged the attacks one at a time. Sasuke still has to muster up an offensive attack at some point and Kakuzu's jutsu will force Sasuke back every single time, so its literally a stalemate with Kakuzu having the edge in terms of overwhelming the opponent from multiple angles.

If we talk about CQC, the only chance Kakuzu gets is if sasuke doesn't have knowledge, he gets overconfident in having taken Kakuzu's heart and Kakuzu uses his threads to trap him. Sasuke always enhaces his sword with lightining so he shits on domu.

Straight up CQC Kakuzu gets merked, he can do what he did to Kakashi which is catch him off guard with threads but otherwise his threads are useless, obviously he won't use domu against Sasuke's lightening style he'd simply avoid it or halt Sasuke with a jutsu of his own.

I don't see Kakuzu winning this. He can use Zukkoku and make Sasuke jump to dodge it and then use his threads to trap him, just like he did to Kakashi, and that's it. The chances for Kakuzu are really low.

How does Sasuke win if he can't get close to Kakuzu at all? It took him a while to figure out a way to get close to Deidara who has less AoE than Kakuzu and the tricks that worked on Deidara aren't working on Kakuzu for multiple reasons.


It would take much effort but in the end Kakashi who is similar in speed to Sasuke was unable to even muster up any offense against Kakuzu even when Hidan was gone, Sasuke has the same result only with an increased difficulty for Kakuzu to hit. Sasuke was overwhelmed by the Air/Ground tactic that Deidara used against him and I see no reason why he won't be overwhelmed by Kakuzu's massive and various forms of attack (being utilized in quicker succession than against Kakashi), Kakashi also being one of the most sharp-minded shinobi in the manga.

I'll fully argue this if someone can give a proper means for Sasuke to take down Kakuzu also, isntead of just "Raiton> Domu" which isn't going to cut it.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Base Nardo solos. Sasuke is above Cockuzo's pay grade

 

[NarutoX28]

Hebi Sasuke most likely wins this.

While Kakuzu possesses multiple advantages in Ninjutsu, when has to consider that if Kakashi was capable of evading Kakuzu's attacks point-blank despite being occupied with Hidan, there's no reason why Sasuke wouldn't be capable of getting within range of Kakuzu and evade Kakuzu's attacks point-blank as well considering he doesn't have to worry about Hidan, he's faster than Kakashi, and possesses Cursed Seal Enhancements as well. With that being said, there's not much Kakuzu can do to handle Sasuke's speed at all because Sasuke's simply much faster than him and possesses the elemental advantage at close-range with Kakuzu's only defense being Domu that leaves him immobile and susceptible to Sasuke's Raiton in the first place.

I generally can't see Kakuzu winning. Sasuke has the speed required to evade Kakuzu's attacks even at point-blank range and his superior speed and raiton makes Sasuke a horrible match-up against Kakuzu at close-range.

 

[Zexion~]

While Kakuzu possesses multiple advantages in Ninjutsu, when has to consider that if Kakashi was capable of evading Kakuzu's attacks point-blank despite being occupied with Hidan, there's no reason why Sasuke wouldn't be capable of getting within range of Kakuzu and evade Kakuzu's attacks point-blank as well considering he doesn't have to worry about Hidan, he's faster than Kakashi, and possesses Cursed Seal Enhancements as well. With that being said, there's not much Kakuzu can do to handle Sasuke's speed at all because Sasuke's simply much faster than him and possesses the elemental advantage at close-range with Kakuzu's only defense being Domu that leaves him immobile and susceptible to Sasuke's Raiton in the first place.

He's not much faster as feat wise and stat wise they're the same in the DB, how are you expecting Sasuke to get up close to Kakuzu despite his AoE jutsu being present though, Kakuzu can fire his fuuton from behind Sasuke even onto himself catching him off guard and safely survive the effects thanks to Domu (which he'll never use to block Sasuke due to raiton)

Also Katon and Raiton become harder to avoid at close range, with his raiton perhaps even being faster than his fuuton you think Sasuke can succesfully avoid them all WHILE pressuring Kakuzu? When a superior SHINOBI (in mind) couldn't keep track of him?

Debate meeeeeee, I've had the same arguments for this matchup but no one can fully convince me on Kakuzu getting BEAT by Sasuke

 

[NarutoX28]

He's not much faster as feat wise and stat wise they're the same in the DB, how are you expecting Sasuke to get up close to Kakuzu despite his AoE jutsu being present though, Kakuzu can fire his fuuton from behind Sasuke even onto himself catching him off guard and safely survive the effects thanks to Domu (which he'll never use to block Sasuke due to raiton)

They're not the same. His Taijutsu is admittedly inferior, but his Speed is above his significantly according to manga feats and the databook. The Databook goes as far as to emphasize Hebi Sasuke's speed being capable of "taking the breath away from Akatsuki members" or something to that degree and the speed gap widens even further when we take into account Cursed Seal Enhancements, the Sharingan, and Shunshin which is something Sasuke is obviously superior in.

Honestly, Kakuzu's reactions and speed shouldn't even be on par with Sasuke's anyways taking into consideration how KN0 Naruto's clones could easily get within range of him and taking into account how his Jiongu is used in such a linear fashion. I'm not necessarily inclined to believe Kakuzu can even compete with Sasuke in close combat because of that.

Also Katon and Raiton become harder to avoid at close range, with his raiton perhaps even being faster than his fuuton you think Sasuke can succesfully avoid them all WHILE pressuring Kakuzu? When a superior SHINOBI (in mind) couldn't keep track of him?

Debate meeeeeee, I've had the same arguments for this matchup but no one can fully convince me on Kakuzu getting BEAT by Sasuke

Katon is a maybe, I don't agree with the fact that it'd be more difficult to evade than his Futon considering his Futon is noted to fired abruptly, making it harder to anticipate and thus, more difficult to evade as well. I'm certainly not inclined to believe his Raiton is more difficult to evade. It's speed is emphasized to be rather fast, so I do agree that it's a faster technique than all of the other techniques Kakuzu possesses, but it also covers a smaller range, it's more predictable than Atsugai, and his Raiton was still easily intercepted by Kakashi when Gian was a few meters away from Chouji and Shikamaru and Kakashi still managed to bide enough time to use Raikiri and raise his arms to intercept his attack. Considering Kakashi managed to travel such a far distance and still two Raikiris to intercept the attack, Sasuke should still be capable of evading the attack.

I honestly don't even see how Kakuzu's attacks are too dangerous for Sasuke to handle. If KN0 Naruto could engage in CQC with Kakuzu, I don't see why Hebi Sasuke can't.

 

[Guntah]

Sasuke wins high diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

OT: As usual when this thread is made, Sasuke wins. Location takes this from mid-high diff to low-mid diff. :lol

When it comes to straightforward attacks Kakuzu won't ever hit Sasuke. He had Hidan+a surprise point blank Atsugai on the easily slower Kakashi and Kakashi still evaded it with no real injuries. Base Sasuke is easily faster than Kakashi let alone Curse Mark enhanced Sasuke. So Atsugai never ever ever hits him, and even if it did his wings would tank it as it's only offensive feat is failing to scratch Hidan. :lol Sasuke's wings can tank c2. Gian is easily evaded too and that's his fastest technique. Even if Sasuke was put in a position where he wouldn't be able to avoid Atsugai, Katon would counter it and obliterate the mask behind it. So that's how the first mask gets obliterated with rather little effort. CM2 Chidori can block Gian even if Sasuke can't evade it, and Katon only travels on the ground so it's easily evaded by the Sasuke who can simply jump or fly/glide or use the trees to evade.

If Kakuzu tries attacking from multiple angles, Sasuke still dodges because he can't cover every angle and his attacks are slow as hell compared to his target, not to mention releasing his hearts for attacks like that only leaves himself wide open, and Sasuke doesn't need to retreat away from Kakuzu to dodge any of his attacks. He can dodge towards him for the smaller scaled attacks, and simply overpower Atsugai w/ Katon or use the trees and jump over it towards Kakuzu. His threads are also pretty useless here. His base threads are destroyed by Nagashi if he gets caught, and if Kakuzu sends the thick threads at him when Chidori Spear easily bisects them. After the Dragon Flame counter obliterates the Wind Mask, it's easy pickings from there because the only moves he has left are slow attacks (in comparison) that Sasuke can either overpower or easily evade with more than enough room to continue towards Kakuzu. Not gonna address the Katon Fuuton combo because w/ no intel Kakuzu will use his jutsu like he did in the manga, one after another before starting the combination shit, and the moment Atsugai is used his wind mask is finished because Dragon Flame will overpower and absorb the wind to become stronger and roast the vulnerable mask left behind.


If Sasuke doesn't feel like bothering with this cat then a Katon to start a small fire in the forest and then a Katon to the sky means that Kirin lights his ass up. People love to say that w/o Amaterasu Kirin is useless, but Amaterasu is only needed to create as many clouds as he did against Itachi, meaning that if he wants a Mountain busting Kirin then he needs that level of heat, but he doesn't need a Mountain busting Kirin to rape Kakuzu because even Chidori can pierce him.

And if Sasuke were to ever take an almost lethal hit, Oral Rebirth restores him.


Kakuzu stands zero chance of winning this fight regardless of location.

-Sasuke is a good amount faster than the same guy who literally evaded almost all of his attacks who is in turn easily faster than Kakuzu.
-Sasuke has the location advantage.
-The only thing that caught Kakashi (threads) is easily countered by two moves in Sasuke's arsenal. Chidori Spear and Nagashi (capable of ripping apart Yamato's Mokuton so Kakuzu's threads don't stand any better chance)
-Sasuke can outright counter/overpower Raiton and Fuuton.

 

[ToshiZO]

No intel could be bad news catching Sasuke offguard if he manages to kill him.

Doubt a Kirin setup works, Kakuzu probably has a Water mask on par with his other masks in terms of AOE, he takes out any surrounding fire.

That should make this atleast a high-extreme diff for Sasuke imo with the curse seal being the difference maker. It's not going to be easy to engage Kakuzu up close, not sure how that will play out, with genjutsu restricted it hinders Sasuke somewhat in that department. Naruto isn't a good example he uses multiple clones and Kakuzu had to worry about taking out like 5 different enemies including Kakashi and Yamato.

Without genjutsu which was Hebi Sasuke's bread and butter in many ways, this fight has to be much more straightforward with less tricks than Sasuke's usual fights, so I can see him losing this as well.

 

[~Ethereal~]

I love this thread!! <3 <3

 

[DrProof]

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Hebi Sasuke murks.

 

[Zexion~]

They're not the same. His Taijutsu is admittedly inferior, but his Speed is above his significantly according to manga feats and the databook. The Databook goes as far as to emphasize Hebi Sasuke's speed being capable of "taking the breath away from Akatsuki members" or something to that degree and the speed gap widens even further when we take into account Cursed Seal Enhancements, the Sharingan, and Shunshin which is something Sasuke is obviously superior in.

Honestly, Kakuzu's reactions and speed shouldn't even be on par with Sasuke's anyways taking into consideration how KN0 Naruto's clones could easily get within range of him and taking into account how his Jiongu is used in such a linear fashion. I'm not necessarily inclined to believe Kakuzu can even compete with Sasuke in close combat because of that.



Katon is a maybe, I don't agree with the fact that it'd be more difficult to evade than his Futon considering his Futon is noted to fired abruptly, making it harder to anticipate and thus, more difficult to evade as well. I'm certainly not inclined to believe his Raiton is more difficult to evade. It's speed is emphasized to be rather fast, so I do agree that it's a faster technique than all of the other techniques Kakuzu possesses, but it also covers a smaller range, it's more predictable than Atsugai, and his Raiton was still easily intercepted by Kakashi when Gian was a few meters away from Chouji and Shikamaru and Kakashi still managed to bide enough time to use Raikiri and raise his arms to intercept his attack. Considering Kakashi managed to travel such a far distance and still two Raikiris to intercept the attack, Sasuke should still be capable of evading the attack.

I honestly don't even see how Kakuzu's attacks are too dangerous for Sasuke to handle. If KN0 Naruto could engage in CQC with Kakuzu, I don't see why Hebi Sasuke can't.

You guys are saying similar things so, I don't expect you to debate this with me again KG however countering the ways of killing Sasuke (again Kirin was your only definite way of killing Kakuzu) would be lit

OT: As usual when this thread is made, Sasuke wins. Location takes this from mid-high diff to low-mid diff. :lol

When it comes to straightforward attacks Kakuzu won't ever hit Sasuke. He had Hidan+a surprise point blank Atsugai on the easily slower Kakashi and Kakashi still evaded it with no real injuries. Base Sasuke is easily faster than Kakashi let alone Curse Mark enhanced Sasuke. So Atsugai never ever ever hits him, and even if it did his wings would tank it as it's only offensive feat is failing to scratch Hidan. :lol Sasuke's wings can tank c2. Gian is easily evaded too and that's his fastest technique. Even if Sasuke was put in a position where he wouldn't be able to avoid Atsugai, Katon would counter it and obliterate the mask behind it. So that's how the first mask gets obliterated with rather little effort. CM2 Chidori can block Gian even if Sasuke can't evade it, and Katon only travels on the ground so it's easily evaded by the Sasuke who can simply jump or fly/glide or use the trees to evade.

Sasuke's katons are ridiculously smaller than his fuutons so its questionable if it can be countered in such a manor, even so the mask doesn't need to remain in one place after firing the fuuton, he can move away and avoid such a counterattack which is questionable as all of Sasuke's Katons require hand seals while Kakuzu's fuuton is hard to predict when the jutsu is being used (as stated by the DB)

Why are you saying he's a good deal faster than Kakashi by feats? I've said it before but KN0 Naruto also was able to blitz Deidara, yes without an arm however it was still a blitz. Sasuke may had been right in front of him however he still aimed to accomplish this while Deidara's guard was down making it more of an ambush than a blitz.

Both he and Kakashi were unable to close the gap between Deidara and themselves on the ground without some sort of strategy, and Kakashi later on in the manga was fighting on-par with MS Sasuke (big gap in the manga that could account for training wasn't until after 5 kage summit arc) so its still the same Kakashi.

If Kakuzu tries attacking from multiple angles, Sasuke still dodges because he can't cover every angle and his attacks are slow as hell compared to his target, not to mention releasing his hearts for attacks like that only leaves himself wide open, and Sasuke doesn't need to retreat away from Kakuzu to dodge any of his attacks.

Why can't he go from all angles?

He can dodge towards him for the smaller scaled attacks, and simply overpower Atsugai w/ Katon or use the trees and jump over it towards Kakuzu.

The only smaller scaled attack is Raiton, both Katon and fuuton cover a massive area and if he tries to tank either or by simply going curse mark and continuing the charge he gets roasted by the combination that Kakuzu can add immediately after the other jutsu (or simply fire off another katon/fuuton) as when tanking in the middle of a massive jutsu Sasuke can't very much see whats going on with the masks.

Also if he jumps up over the raiton, he gets caught by threads, and if he attempts to slice them gets blasted by fuuton.

His threads are also pretty useless here. His base threads are destroyed by Nagashi if he gets caught, and if Kakuzu sends
the thick threads at him when Chidori Spear easily bisects them.

Spear shits but if he gets caught it's over, you mention the Yamato scan however (and I know I've showed you this before) Nagashi did nothing to Deidara's clay

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and if I were to say which category Kakuzu's threads fall closer to I'd say the clay as its not a hard easily breakable solid such as wood.

After the Dragon Flame counter obliterates the Wind Mask, it's easy pickings from there because the only moves he has left are slow attacks (in comparison) that Sasuke can either overpower or easily evade with more than enough room to continue towards Kakuzu. Not gonna address the Katon Fuuton combo because w/ no intel Kakuzu will use his jutsu like he did in the manga, one after another before starting the combination shit, and the moment Atsugai is used his wind mask is finished because Dragon Flame will overpower and absorb the wind to become stronger and roast the vulnerable mask left behind.

As I said debatable, however I feel dragon flame would come to be bigger than I remember so as I said the wind mask isn't just going to sit there afterwards, lets not forget it immediately returned to Kakuzu's side after being used in the manga

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I'd say from that distance it could get away easily while Kakuzu tanks the damage from domu.

If Sasuke doesn't feel like bothering with this cat then a Katon to start a small fire in the forest and then a Katon to the sky means that Kirin lights his ass up. People love to say that w/o Amaterasu Kirin is useless, but Amaterasu is only needed to create as many clouds as he did against Itachi, meaning that if he wants a Mountain busting Kirin then he needs that level of heat, but he doesn't need a Mountain busting Kirin to rape Kakuzu because even Chidori can pierce him.

I guess this wins it for him...if he really can use a smaller version of Kirin, don't forget one use of atsugai and the forest is basically no more. With intel though, Atsugai's blasting every cloud that forms away.

And if Sasuke were to ever take an almost lethal hit, Oral Rebirth restores him.

Leaves him vulnerable to immediately taking another hit as unlike Oro he was shown to utilize it much slower, not to mention the chakra it takes is immense.

Kakuzu stands zero chance of winning this fight regardless of location.

:/

-Sasuke is a good amount faster than the same guy who literally evaded almost all of his attacks who is in turn easily faster than Kakuzu.

A conclusion that you literally have no proof of besides the DB :lol as I said Kakashi clashed with Sasuke (a stronger version) with no problems in speed

-Sasuke has the location advantage.

I suppose he does here

-The only thing that caught Kakashi (threads) is easily countered by two moves in Sasuke's arsenal. Chidori Spear and Nagashi (capable of ripping apart Yamato's Mokuton so Kakuzu's threads don't stand any better chance)

Read above, also when looking at it

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its pretty easy to tell that most of the change in shape is Yamato using a binding wood technique, it may have stopped the jutsu but it didn't break it apart

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the wood is still in perfect shape here, so idk actually if it had broken it, than it wouldn't be so uniform.

-Sasuke can outright counter/overpower Raiton and Fuuton.

He can't overpower the raiton? :lol if at any time even in CM he gets hit with it he's dead.



@Prooof shameful

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao lets go. Ill reply as soon as i get off work bro

 

[DrProof]

You guys are saying similar things so, I don't expect you to debate this with me again KG however countering the ways of killing Sasuke (again Kirin was your only definite way of killing Kakuzu) would be lit



Sasuke's katons are ridiculously smaller than his fuutons so its questionable if it can be countered in such a manor, even so the mask doesn't need to remain in one place after firing the fuuton, he can move away and avoid such a counterattack which is questionable as all of Sasuke's Katons require hand seals while Kakuzu's fuuton is hard to predict when the jutsu is being used (as stated by the DB)

Why are you saying he's a good deal faster than Kakashi by feats? I've said it before but KN0 Naruto also was able to blitz Deidara, yes without an arm however it was still a blitz. Sasuke may had been right in front of him however he still aimed to accomplish this while Deidara's guard was down making it more of an ambush than a blitz.

Both he and Kakashi were unable to close the gap between Deidara and themselves on the ground without some sort of strategy, and Kakashi later on in the manga was fighting on-par with MS Sasuke (big gap in the manga that could account for training wasn't until after 5 kage summit arc) so its still the same Kakashi.



Why can't he go from all angles?



The only smaller scaled attack is Raiton, both Katon and fuuton cover a massive area and if he tries to tank either or by simply going curse mark and continuing the charge he gets roasted by the combination that Kakuzu can add immediately after the other jutsu (or simply fire off another katon/fuuton) as when tanking in the middle of a massive jutsu Sasuke can't very much see whats going on with the masks.

Also if he jumps up over the raiton, he gets caught by threads, and if he attempts to slice them gets blasted by fuuton.



Spear shits but if he gets caught it's over, you mention the Yamato scan however (and I know I've showed you this before) Nagashi did nothing to Deidara's clay

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and if I were to say which category Kakuzu's threads fall closer to I'd say the clay as its not a hard easily breakable solid such as wood.



As I said debatable, however I feel dragon flame would come to be bigger than I remember so as I said the wind mask isn't just going to sit there afterwards, lets not forget it immediately returned to Kakuzu's side after being used in the manga

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I'd say from that distance it could get away easily while Kakuzu tanks the damage from domu.



I guess this wins it for him...if he really can use a smaller version of Kirin, don't forget one use of atsugai and the forest is basically no more. With intel though, Atsugai's blasting every cloud that forms away.



Leaves him vulnerable to immediately taking another hit as unlike Oro he was shown to utilize it much slower, not to mention the chakra it takes is immense.


:/


A conclusion that you literally have no proof of besides the DB :lol as I said Kakashi clashed with Sasuke (a stronger version) with no problems in speed


I suppose he does here



Read above, also when looking at it

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its pretty easy to tell that most of the change in shape is Yamato using a binding wood technique, it may have stopped the jutsu but it didn't break it apart

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the wood is still in perfect shape here, so idk actually if it had broken it, than it wouldn't be so uniform.



He can't overpower the raiton? :lol if at any time even in CM he gets hit with it he's dead.



@Prooof shameful

Bruh you know damn well I'm bsing. Hebi Sasuke doesn't win without Genjutsu, or Summons.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke's katons are ridiculously smaller than his fuutons so its questionable if it can be countered in such a manor, even so the mask doesn't need to remain in one place after firing the fuuton, he can move away and avoid such a counterattack which is questionable as all of Sasuke's Katons require hand seals while Kakuzu's fuuton is hard to predict when the jutsu is being used (as stated by the DB)

Not really.

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He can use 2, Fire>>Wind. There's no issue here. And the Fuuton is fired from the masks mouth just like any other elemental jutsu. It's not a projectile type attack he fires out like Katon. There is no moving out of the way until the jutsu has ceased, and that won't happen because the jutsu gets countered and overturned. And lmao I hope you aren't serious with the bold. If Kakashi has time to evade from point blank range despite being caught off guard by Hidan then Sasuke is obviously going to be able to make a handsign.

Why are you saying he's a good deal faster than Kakashi by feats? I've said it before but KN0 Naruto also was able to blitz Deidara, yes without an arm however it was still a blitz. Sasuke may had been right in front of him however he still aimed to accomplish this while Deidara's guard was down making it more of an ambush than a blitz.

KN0 Naruto never blitzed Deidara. Why are you bringing this ridiculous argument back?

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"You've let your guard down".

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Sneak attack. A sneak attack isn't a blitz. Why are you even trying to argue something as ridiculous as KN0 Naruto~Hebi Sasuke in speed? :lol You are claiming what Sasuke did is an ambush yet you are saying that what Naruto did is a blitz? Come on now fam. In what world was Deidara's guard down too? He was staring straight at Sasuke. He got surprised because Sasuke was too fast not because his guard was down.

-DB hypes Sasuke's speed as God Speed. Not Kakashi's. That's enough proof.

Sasuke's feats:

-Evading V1 B while injured w/o Curse Mark. The only MS Sasuke anyone can argue being faster than CM2 Sasuke would be Kage Summit Sasuke as that is when his chakra was noted to be darker/more potent than his CM2 state's chakra. So CM2 Sasuke>CM1 Sasuke>>Base Sasuke>Injured Sasuke that dodged Killer B's Lariat.
-Almost blitzing Deidara twice, in Base.
-Blitzing Naruto, in Base.

Kakashi doesn't have feats that put him equal to Base Sasuke let alone Curse Mark Sasuke. We've been over this already and it'll end the same way, with you being unable to prove that Kakashi is near Sasuke's speed so stop ignoring all the counter arguments.

Both he and Kakashi were unable to close the gap between Deidara and themselves on the ground without some sort of strategy, and Kakashi later on in the manga was fighting on-par with MS Sasuke (big gap in the manga that could account for training wasn't until after 5 kage summit arc) so its still the same Kakashi.

Not sure what the first point is supposed to prove here, because the other feats already put Base Sasuke comfortably above Kakashi let alone anything using the Curse Mark.

A near blind Sasuke who didn't have Sharingan active, not to mention that only happened in the anime. Kakashi and Sasuke never fought on par in the Manga. The only had a brief exchange, which again, is irrelevant to Shunshin and Sasuke was near blind w/o his Sharingan active. Fighting on par=/=Shunshin speed anyway. Base Naruto can tie Base Sasuke in combat yet Base Sasuke is still faster than him by far in terms of Shunshin.

Why can't he go from all angles?

Because he has 3 Jutsu that don't cover every single angle.

The only smaller scaled attack is Raiton, both Katon and fuuton cover a massive area and if he tries to tank either or by simply going curse mark and continuing the charge he gets roasted by the combination that Kakuzu can add immediately after the other jutsu (or simply fire off another katon/fuuton) as when tanking in the middle of a massive jutsu Sasuke can't very much see whats going on with the masks.

Katon's area isn't massive, it's moderate at best. Atsugai is the only one worth calling large. It's not like he needs to tank Atsugai here anyway so this doesn't really matter. Katon works fine enough and it results in a dead mask. Without Atsugai Kakuzu's chances of stopping Sasuke from getting close to him go down to 0%. Katon is easily dodged and Raiton is easily dodged or overpowered. After Sasuke gets close he gets violated with Chidori Spear.

Also if he jumps up over the raiton, he gets caught by threads, and if he attempts to slice them gets blasted by fuuton.

Then he'd just counter the Raiton without dodging via Chidori, or he'd just dodge the Raiton without jumping.

Spear shits but if he gets caught it's over, you mention the Yamato scan however (and I know I've showed you this before) Nagashi did nothing to Deidara's clay

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and if I were to say which category Kakuzu's threads fall closer to I'd say the clay as its not a hard easily breakable solid such as wood.

I'll agree here.

As I said debatable, however I feel dragon flame would come to be bigger than I remember so as I said the wind mask isn't just going to sit there afterwards, lets not forget it immediately returned to Kakuzu's side after being used in the manga

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I'd say from that distance it could get away easily while Kakuzu tanks the damage from domu.

After the jutsu had resolved. I addressed this above anyway.

I guess this wins it for him...if he really can use a smaller version of Kirin, don't forget one use of atsugai and the forest is basically no more. With intel though, Atsugai's blasting every cloud that forms away.

Lmao Atsugai is nowhere near large enough to destroy an entire forest, nor does it have enough range to actually blow any clouds away. So yeah. That's definitely not happening.

Leaves him vulnerable to immediately taking another hit as unlike Oro he was shown to utilize it much slower, not to mention the chakra it takes is immense.

Lmao that's how he decided to use it. But it won't come to this so I'm not gonna get into Oral Rebirth.

A conclusion that you literally have no proof of besides the DB :lol as I said Kakashi clashed with Sasuke (a stronger version) with no problems in speed

First sentence basically is

"A conclusion you have no proof of besides the proof already provided".

:lol Stop it. How many times am I going to have to address this argument before you stop using it? Cause I know I addressed this last time you argued this.

-CQC is not Shunshin speed. Irrelevant. Base Naruto does not Shunshin as fast as Sasuke yet they clash equal in CQC.
-He clashed with a near blind and no Sharingan Sasuke. That's not a good feat. Anything else was off panel or in the anime thus you have no evidence of Kakashi matching a faster Sasuke.

Meanwhile Sasuke's feats take a fat steamy dump on anything Kakashi has done before the War Arc and that's just in Base let alone CM1 or CM2.

Read above, also when looking at it

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its pretty easy to tell that most of the change in shape is Yamato using a binding wood technique, it may have stopped the jutsu but it didn't break it apart

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the wood is still in perfect shape here, so idk actually if it had broken it, than it wouldn't be so uniform.

Agreed that it wouldn't work, but Yamato's wood binding was clearly destroyed. Chidori wouldn't cause the jutsu to halt for no reason, not to mention the page before shows the wood breaking and his wood branch is shorter than before.

He can't overpower the raiton? :lol if at any time even in CM he gets hit with it he's dead.

Senjutsu Chidori>>Raikiri. There isn't any large difference in Raikiri and Sasuke's Chidori once Pt. 2 came along for you to even think about claiming that Gian is going to overpower Sasuke's Chidori once Senjutsu is added into it. None whatsoever so don't even try it.


Sasuke murks him w/ or w/o Kirin.

 

[Zexion~]

I have some more point's, I'll admit I messed up the wording with the KN0 Naruto point and that I forgot about "senjutsu" chakra, bout to go looking deep for some manga facts tonight.

 

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I have some more point's, I'll admit I messed up the wording with the KN0 Naruto point and that I forgot about "senjutsu" chakra, bout to go looking deep for some manga facts tonight.

L0l at what diff do you think Kakuzu would win?