[VS] Gai Sensei and 3rd Raikage Vs 4rth Raikage and Killer Bee

[Kakashistomps]

Location-Kimi Vs Gaara/Lee
Knowledge-Manga
Distance-50m
Intent-Kill
Conditions/Restrictions-No 8th Gate, Gai start with 7th gate open, both Raikage starts with raiton armor, 4rth with V2, 3rd V1, Killer starts with V2....

 

[EZQ]

Damn Ay is useless here. Gai immediatly eliminates him with Hirudora.

Aylll + Ay lV could stalemate the hachibi (don't know how), so i see Gai and Aylll beating him. Team 1 for me.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gai and the 3rd can win.

Gai takes on Ay and the 3rd takes on Hachibi. B realizes he needs Hachibi Mode (obviously) and switches to that if he doesn't do so from the jump, but Gai ends Ay's life with Hirudora. Then Gai and the 3rd end the Hachibi.

-Nukite would easily cut his tails off and easily pierce his body.
-Hirudora can bust V3 Susanoo in a single strike so it'd do some damage if he lands a hit after Nukite has severed all of the Hachibi's tails.
-If he tries to charge a Bijuu Dama, they can hit his jaw to redirect hit. Should be easy for Gai considering he's faster than even Ay himself here.

Eventually Nukite and Hirudora do so much damage to Hachibi Mode B that he reverts to Base and then they rape him.

 

[Kakashistomps]

:wut: So double Lariatoo wont happan ? I am crying:NO::NO:

 

[Forbidden Technique]

:wut: So double Lariatoo wont happan ? I am crying:NO::NO:

They aren't fast enough to land that on 7G Gai, and the 3rd Raikage easily tanks it. Team 1 wrecks.

 

[Kakashistomps]

They aren't fast enough to land that on 7G Gai, and the 3rd Raikage easily tanks it. Team 1 wrecks.

Ya i was just kidding

 

[Edogawa]

Team 2 rather easily. Team 1 don't have the speed or reflex to keep up with team 2. The faster of team 1 is Gai, and he himself is slower than Ay and Bee. They also don't have a technique powerful enough to bypass V2 cloak, something that tanked TBB at point-blank range. Team 2 are faster and have fire-power on their side.

 

[Booker]

Not sure how Team 1 is countering a TBB.

Never mind, the 3rd fought the 8-Tails. It stands to reason he countered/tanked a few TBBs during that fight.

Team 1 wins.

 

[Edogawa]

Never mind, the 3rd fought the 8-Tails. It stands to reason he countered/tanked a few TBBs during that fight.

Speculation .

 

[Booker]

Speculation .

Yes, but reasonable speculation.

 

[Edogawa]

Yes, but reasonable speculation.

Not a reasonable one because you're speculating under the fallacy TBB must have directly hit the Raikage, with the speed has to dodge it. One just has to look at what the Rasenshuriken took out his armour and left him with medium cracks, then looks at the magnitude of the TBB which is capable of obliterating an entire mountain.

 

[Booker]

Not a reasonable one because you're speculating under the fallacy TBB must have directly hit the Raikage, with the speed has to dodge it. One just has to look at what the Rasenshuriken took out his armour and left him with medium cracks, then looks at the magnitude of the TBB which is capable of obliterating an entire mountain.

Rasenshuriken and TBB do different things. TBB is literally just a massive explosion. Rasenshuriken uses Wind Nature to shred chakra, which is why it has cut through Susano'o and damaged the 3rd Raikage's armor.

It's entirely reasonable to assume the 3rd Raikage tanked a TBB. Maybe not a direct hit, but as you stated, TBBs have a massive explosive range. No matter his speed he wasn't avoiding the entire radius.

And, again, if we're using common sense the Tailed Beasts (especially 9 and 8 Tails) use TBBs when under pressure all the time.

 

[TRE MERCER]

The fact that Gai starts in 7th gates i think it will be the reason they win.

 

[Edogawa]

Rasenshuriken and TBB do different things. TBB is literally just a massive explosion. Rasenshuriken uses Wind Nature to shred chakra, which is why it has cut through Susano'o and damaged the 3rd Raikage's armor.

It's entirely reasonable to assume the 3rd Raikage tanked a TBB. Maybe not a direct hit, but as you stated, TBBs have a massive explosive range. No matter his speed he wasn't avoiding the entire radius.

And, again, if we're using common sense the Tailed Beasts (especially 9 and 8 Tails) use TBBs when under pressure all the time.

Being different attacks is irrelevant, since they both cause sphere of explosion, with one cutting and the other bombing. An explosion capable of completely obliterating a dense material composed of heavy rocks that make up a mountain is defiantly just an explosion. You're then under the assumption Raikage has a durability of a mountain, therefore, can also withstand a PS slash.

You're assuming without material proof. It's completely invalid in a match-up where you're supposed to post factual evidence.

 

[Booker]

Being different attacks is irrelevant, since they both cause sphere of explosion, with one cutting and the other bombing. An explosion capable of completely obliterating a dense material composed of heavy rocks that make up a mountain is defiantly just an explosion. You're then under the assumption Raikage has a durability of a mountain, therefore, can also withstand a PS slash.

You're assuming without material proof. It's completely invalid in a match-up where you're supposed to post factual evidence.

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Rasenshuriken cuts through chakra. It is literally the perfect counter to chakra armor techniques, like Susano'o or the Lightning Armor. TBBs don't have the special cutting effect. They simply deal massive amounts of explosive damage.

If the TBB is unable to cut through the defense, then what's left is that the defense has to tank the entirety/part of the explosion. I think you have a disconnect in your logic, here; TBBs cannot cut through chakra like Rasenshuriken can, so your point was moot.

We both know it's reasonable and even likely that the 3rd Raikage encountered some TBBs when battling the 8-Tails to the death. To deny this is just straight up ignorance.

 

[Edogawa]

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Rasenshuriken cuts through chakra. It is literally the perfect counter to chakra armor techniques, like Susano'o or the Lightning Armor. TBBs don't have the special cutting effect. They simply deal massive amounts of explosive damage.

Which is irrelevant because the two Jutsu's cause sphere of explosion, with TBB having much larger magnitude. You can stop repeating this from now on.

We both know it's reasonable and even likely that the 3rd Raikage encountered some TBBs when battling the 8-Tails to the death. To deny this is just straight up ignorance.

We know it's not reasonable because TBB blows up a mountain, while FRS can blow up boulders. Bringing up speculations without material evidence is straight up fanfic.

 

[Dizzldot]

I voted team 1 but I think the only way is 8 gates for guy really, 7 gates is a match for the 4th raikage but I don't think he's more powerful by a lot at 7 gated

 

[Booker]

Which is irrelevant because the two Jutsu's cause sphere of explosion, with TBB having much larger magnitude. You can stop repeating this from now on.

It's not irrelevant, one cuts and one just has physical force. They are different things.

We know it's not reasonable because TBB blows up a mountain, while FRS can blow up boulders. Bringing up speculations without material evidence is straight up fanfic.

Again, different techniques that do different things. Rasenshuriken shreds things. TBB uses blunt force explosions. They are different types of damage that have separate reactions to chakra defenses.

What's important here is that you know I'm right, and that your argument is incredibly desperate. You realize that you're stating that a Tailed Beast when fighting for its life would not use its most powerful attack, especially when said Beast has demonstrated that it is willing to spam it when it needs to in these situations?

You realize that, right?

Because if you don't acknowledge that that's what you're stating, you're going to appear very ignorant and stubborn to everyone.

 

[Unorthodox]

Gai and the 3rd can win.

Gai takes on Ay and the 3rd takes on Hachibi. B realizes he needs Hachibi Mode (obviously) and switches to that if he doesn't do so from the jump, but Gai ends Ay's life with Hirudora. Then Gai and the 3rd end the Hachibi.

-Nukite would easily cut his tails off and easily pierce his body.
-Hirudora can bust V3 Susanoo in a single strike so it'd do some damage if he lands a hit after Nukite has severed all of the Hachibi's tails.
-If he tries to charge a Bijuu Dama, they can hit his jaw to redirect hit. Should be easy for Gai considering he's faster than even Ay himself here.

Eventually Nukite and Hirudora do so much damage to Hachibi Mode B that he reverts to Base and then they rape him.

Whirlwind blows them away then he fires bijuu dama barrage or fires bijuu damage on himself catching them up in the explosion. You keep talking about hirodora like gai can use it more than once or twice. Without getting all weak. Hirudora can destroy a v3 but the user is undamaged bee took his own tbb to the chest after a long grueling fight with bijuus, obito, n juubi.

 

[Sagebee]

This match up is pretty much brain vs brawn I say killer bee team take it