[VS] Part 1 Kakashi VS Dodai

[DrProof]

Didn't even consider suffocating! but yeah, I still see it as unlikely that Kakashi will get trapped easily. He always has foresight and the sharingan/battleintelligence will see him pulling the Rubber Rope/Ball tricks before he does them.

Dog Wall and similar jutsu would be really useful here- even if the rubber sorta nullifies it. This is total speculation but I don't see Dodai being very efficient in taijutsu at all- and being even just mediocre in CQC puts you in complete danger against Kakashi. Though i'm not a fan of him, he's remained a great taijutsu fighter the entire series.

Also his smell can distinguish between clones and whether he's getting fooled or not! In short, Kakashi will have to get completely overwhelmed to get a scratch but when he does- it's all over. Dodai likely managed to do that jutsu feat so easily because- as you said, he's a support ninja. I don't expect he'd done much fighting or expended much chakra at that point in the war yet.

No see, Dodai doesn't even need to overwhelm him. All it would take is a quick touch in close range combat, just a tiny touch, Dodai would expel rubber onto Kakashi, making it stick to him. Dodai is able to manipulate the rubbers size, making it engulf Kakashi until he's nothing but a rubbery glob.

Because you see, Dodai is capable of expelling rubber from anywhere from his body without effort.

Lol @ these people calling Dodai fodder, and lacking offensive techniques. Smh.

 

[Lord Tywin]

No see, Dodai doesn't even need to overwhelm him. All it would take is a quick touch in close range combat, just a tiny touch, Dodai would expel rubber onto Kakashi, making it stick to him. Dodai is able to manipulate the rubbers size, making it engulf Kakashi until he's nothing but a rubbery glob.

Because you see, Dodai is capable of expelling rubber from anywhere from his body without effort.

Lol @ these people calling Dodai fodder, and lacking offensive techniques. Smh.

in a manga fight though Dodai loses to Kakashi

 

[EZQ]

Lol Dodai is getting massively overrated. I don't want to argue this, but the 3rd Raikage showed good reflexes, but his movement speed doesn't have good feats, plus the fact that Dodai reacted to 3rd raikage's jump (not a sunshin).

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Lmao this is not an reaction speed feats that shows Dodai would be easely reacting to Kakashi's all attacks.
Clone feint treatment. Plus the fact that this guy has no way of hurting Kakashi, since his attacks are all dodged or countered by going underground.

 

[DrProof]

Lol Dodai is getting massively overrated. I don't want to argue this, but the 3rd Raikage showed good reflexes, but his movement speed doesn't have good feats, plus the fact that Dodai reacted to 3rd raikage's jump (not a sunshin).

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Lmao this is not an reaction speed feats that shows Dodai would be easely reacting to Kakashi's all attacks.
Clone feint treatment. Plus the fact that this guy has no way of hurting Kakashi, since his attacks are all dodged or countered by going underground.

You do realize the bodyflicker movement is just a lateral movement doesn't matter if you're jumping, or moving on the ground. Get that straight firstly bro. Second of all, why are you underrating the 3rd Raikage's speed? It isn't as fast as A obviously, but in no way, shape, or form is the 3rd Raikage slow. He is easily one of the fastest characters in the manga for sure (top 10-15), especially with V2 up.

Also, let's get this straight. The Raikage had to bodyflicker because everyone had been focused on him here:

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The Raikage is there, fighting in the middle. Naruto, and Dodai are located on one of the three green circled pillars. More than likely the furthest one, because it's only logical to position yourself furthest away from the enemy.

Temari looks back here:

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But before she does, she tells everyone to stay away from the enemy (3rd Raikage) signifying that the 3rd Raikage was indeed behind them.

Not a moment later this happens:

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How does a Raikage cover that much distance while in the middle of fighting that many enemies, and cause Dodai to take on a moment of surprise (the exclamation marks indicate surprise)? Because he bodyflickered in V2. Don't try to downplay my boy Dodai, I know what I'm talking about when I represent him EZQ.

 

[KidGamer65]

You do realize the bodyflicker movement is just a lateral movement doesn't matter if you're jumping, or moving on the ground. Get that straight firstly bro. Second of all, why are you underrating the 3rd Raikage's speed? It isn't as fast as A obviously, but in no way, shape, or form is the 3rd Raikage slow. He is easily one of the fastest characters in the manga for sure (top 10-15), especially with V2 up.

Also, let's get this straight. The Raikage had to bodyflicker because everyone had been focused on him here:

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The Raikage is there, fighting in the middle. Naruto, and Dodai are located on one of the three green circled pillars. More than likely the furthest one, because it's only logical to position yourself furthest away from the enemy.

Temari looks back here:

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But before she does, she tells everyone to stay away from the enemy (3rd Raikage) signifying that the 3rd Raikage was indeed behind them.

Not a moment later this happens:

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How does a Raikage cover that much distance while in the middle of fighting that many enemies, and cause Dodai to take on a moment of surprise (the exclamation marks indicate surprise)? Because he bodyflickered in V2. Don't try to downplay my boy Dodai, I know what I'm talking about when I represent him EZQ.

Lol first of all, the 3rd Raikage doesn't have v2 Raiton Armor. When Ay uses V2 his hair spikes up. The 3rd's hair has never done such a thing so there's no reason to believe he's using V2. Him crossing

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distance doesn't mean or require V2 Shunshin. The impact is where he traveled from to get to the rock right in front of that area where Naruto and Dodai were.

Dodai's exclamation point is because the rock pillar they were standing on started to crumble. Dodai was paying no attention to the Raikage at that moment as he was talking to Naruto. Has nothing to do with speed. And Dodai didn't even react to his Shunshin.

-Raikage Shunshins.
-Raikage obliterates the pillar.
-Raikage lunges at Naruto w/ his fist.
-Dodai reacts.

All that can be stated is that Raikage is on par or below V1 Ay in speed since that's who Naruto compared him too (though a counter argument would be that "Raikage is fast"=/="raikage is as fast as his son", hence why the 3rd is either below or equal to V1 Ay)

-Jugo can react to V1 Ay.
-Sasuke can react to V1 Ay.

V1 Ay's feats surpass his fathers, so putting him on par with that is me being generous.

 

[EZQ]

You do realize the bodyflicker movement is just a lateral movement doesn't matter if you're jumping, or moving on the ground. Get that straight firstly bro. Second of all, why are you underrating the 3rd Raikage's speed? It isn't as fast as A obviously, but in no way, shape, or form is the 3rd Raikage slow. He is easily one of the fastest characters in the manga for sure (top 10-15), especially with V2 up.

Also, let's get this straight. The Raikage had to bodyflicker because everyone had been focused on him here:

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The Raikage is there, fighting in the middle. Naruto, and Dodai are located on one of the three green circled pillars. More than likely the furthest one, because it's only logical to position yourself furthest away from the enemy.

Temari looks back here:

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But before she does, she tells everyone to stay away from the enemy (3rd Raikage) signifying that the 3rd Raikage was indeed behind them.

Not a moment later this happens:

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How does a Raikage cover that much distance while in the middle of fighting that many enemies, and cause Dodai to take on a moment of surprise (the exclamation marks indicate surprise)? Because he bodyflickered in V2. Don't try to downplay my boy Dodai, I know what I'm talking about when I represent him EZQ.

Sorry proof i can't get into a debate right now. If you give me a week i'll reply lol.

And i never said Aylll is slow. He's definitely considerably above average. But he doesn't have v2. v2 is a term we invented for Ay's fastest punch.

 

[DrProof]

Lol first of all, the 3rd Raikage doesn't have v2 Raiton Armor. When Ay uses V2 his hair spikes up. The 3rd's hair has never done such a thing so there's no reason to believe he's using V2. Him crossing

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distance doesn't mean or require V2 Shunshin. The impact is where he traveled from to get to the rock right in front of that area where Naruto and Dodai were.

Dodai's exclamation point is because the rock pillar they were standing on started to crumble. Dodai was paying no attention to the Raikage at that moment as he was talking to Naruto. Has nothing to do with speed. And Dodai didn't even react to his Shunshin.

-Raikage Shunshins.
-Raikage obliterates the pillar.
-Raikage lunges at Naruto w/ his fist.
-Dodai reacts.

All that can be stated is that Raikage is on par or below V1 Ay in speed since that's who Naruto compared him too (though a counter argument would be that "Raikage is fast"=/="raikage is as fast as his son", hence why the 3rd is either below or equal to V1 Ay)

-Jugo can react to V1 Ay.
-Sasuke can react to V1 Ay.

V1 Ay's feats surpass his fathers, so putting him on par with that is me being generous.

That's what I get for not giving shits about the Raikage. So V1.

Did Naruto directly compare the 3rd Raikage to specifically V1 A? Can you link the scan. Because Naruto's seen Ay at his fastest obviously, and if the comment wasn't specifically toward V1 Ay, then it was to V2.

Thing is though, you bringing this all into factoring doesn't change the results of the MU. Pt.1 Kakashi gets murked.

Also you're wrong on the Dodai, not reacting. You realize the second set on exclamation marks correct? That's when Dodai reacted, and noticed the 3rd Raikage's assault speed. Obviously, the first set was from the pillar being smashed into.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's what I get for not giving shits about the Raikage. So V1.

Did Naruto directly compare the 3rd Raikage to specifically V1 A? Can you link the scan. Because Naruto's seen Ay at his fastest obviously, and if the comment wasn't specifically toward V1 Ay, then it was to V2.

Thing is though, you bringing this all into factoring doesn't change the results of the MU. Pt.1 Kakashi gets murked.

Also you're wrong on the Dodai, not reacting. You realize the second set on exclamation marks correct? That's when Dodai reacted, and noticed the 3rd Raikage's assault speed. Obviously, the first set was from the pillar being smashed into.

Here's the scan.

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Bottom middle panel, shows Ay attacking Naruto in V1 as Naruto's inner thought.


Yeah, but anything beyond Pain Arc would probably win. Pain Arc is iffy. War Arc is a definite win for Kakashi, so Dodai wouldn't murk any version of Kakashi that isn't DMS.

And that second set of explanation points was him noticing that the Raikage was behind them. Raikage didn't move towards them until he retracted 3 Fingered Nukite, so Dodai never actually reacted to his Shunshin.

 

[DrProof]

Here's the scan.

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Bottom middle panel, shows Ay attacking Naruto in V1 as Naruto's inner thought.


Yeah, but anything beyond Pain Arc would probably win. Pain Arc is iffy. War Arc is a definite win for Kakashi, so Dodai wouldn't murk any version of Kakashi that isn't DMS.

And that second set of explanation points was him noticing that the Raikage was behind them. Raikage didn't move towards them until he retracted 3 Fingered Nukite, so Dodai never actually reacted to his Shunshin.

I was deadass looking over that panel a second ago, and realized you were right.

Yup, agreed on the any of version of Kakashi winning when his Kamui was efficient.

He did actually instantly mentally react though to the assault:

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You, and I both know there are physical, and mental reactions. Haven't bodyflickers in mid air? You sure he didn't react to a bodyflicker, because he sent Dodai's technique flying, and then again bodyflickers to catch up to it.

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Because think about it. How do you change the trajectory in air, without a fast paced movement to manipulate your momentum.

 

[KidGamer65]

I was deadass looking over that panel a second ago, and realized you were right.

Yup, agreed on the any of version of Kakashi winning when his Kamui was efficient.

He did actually instantly mentally react though to the assault:

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You, and I both know there are physical, and mental reactions. Haven't bodyflickers in mid air? You sure he didn't react to a bodyflicker, because he sent Dodai's technique flying, and then again bodyflickers to catch up to it.

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Because think about it. How do you change the trajectory in air, without a fast paced movement to manipulate your momentum.

I wasn't including Kamui because Kamui makes it ridiculously one sided.

But like I just said, Raikage wasn't moving there. He only started moving after he withdrew his Nukite and turned it into a punch, then Dodai reacted. Haven't seen a Shunshin in mid air before, but they weren't in mid air. They were on top of the broken rocks that were in mid air. At least the Raikage was as he is shown

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out from his original position, which is only possible if his feet were grounded. This is how I see it:

-Raikage Shunshins from the battlefield to the rock pillar and destroys it.
-Dodai notices Raikage's presence.
-Dodai blocks w/ his rubber.
-Then it gets sent flying and Raikage catches up again using Shunshin by bouncing off the broken rock fragments.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

in a manga fight though Dodai loses to Kakashi

...What is this even supposed to mean?

In a manga, the fights are dictated by the plot. The more central character will win if there's no other agenda so obviously?

 

[EZQ]

...What is this even supposed to mean?

In a manga, the fights are dictated by the plot. The more central character will win if there's no other agenda so obviously?

Mmm not exactly. If we go by feats, Kakashi would use Kamui on Nagato instantly and defeat him.

But if Kishimoto were to draw that fight, Kakashi wouldn't stand a chance. That's what it means "manga fight"

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

In a manga, the fights are dictated by the plot. The more central character will win if there's no other agenda so obviously?

Mmm not exactly. If we go by feats, Kakashi would use Kamui on Nagato instantly and defeat him.

But if Kishimoto were to draw that fight, Kakashi wouldn't stand a chance. That's what it means "manga fight"

A main character will win through plot armour or take a temporary loss to create tension. Fictional characters, the powers they have and the way they use them in the situation are just literary plot devices to further the narrative? If Kakashi would get beaten by Nagato then those two characters would never meet or the fight will be written knowing beforehand something will interfere or interrupt the end result (Nagato's Rinne Tensei in this case)

Only twice or so in the series are people literally revived so I fail to see how this isn't a completely redundant sentence. Plot decides the abilities and power scales, not the other way around.

 

[Icelerate]

About Dodai..
1. He is more of a supportive character
2. He lacks offensive attacks
3. Reacting to the 3rd Raikage's speed is nothing impressive (same was done by Temari)
4. He is a fodder

3. Just curious which situation are you talking about? Is it when

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about the 3rd Raikage

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Naruto and Dodai were on?

 

[Demonic.]

Dodai solos

 

[Icelerate]

I wasn't including Kamui because Kamui makes it ridiculously one sided.

But like I just said, Raikage wasn't moving there. He only started moving after he withdrew his Nukite and turned it into a punch, then Dodai reacted. Haven't seen a Shunshin in mid air before, but they weren't in mid air. They were on top of the broken rocks that were in mid air. At least the Raikage was as he is shown

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out from his original position, which is only possible if his feet were grounded. This is how I see it:

-Raikage Shunshins from the battlefield to the rock pillar and destroys it.
-Dodai notices Raikage's presence.
-Dodai blocks w/ his rubber.
-Then it gets sent flying and Raikage catches up again using Shunshin by bouncing off the broken rock fragments.

When Raikage destroyed the rock pillar, was he still on the ground? I think so because if he was on the rock pillar, he'd have been in midair just like Dodai and Naruto's hence he wouldn't have been able to reach them until all three fell down. Whereas what actually happened is that after destroying the rock pillar, Raikage quickly jumped on one of the debris and used it to get close to midair Naruto and Dodai. Also it was Kabuto who was controlling the 3rd Raikage by that time and Kabuto isn't an idiot who'd have 3rd Raikage destroy the same pillar he was climbing as that is counter productive.

 

[Greysama]

Kakashi has too many feats not a competition

 

[ToshiZO]

About Dodai..
1. He is more of a supportive character
2. He lacks offensive attacks
3. Reacting to the 3rd Raikage's speed is nothing impressive (same was done by Temari)
4. He is a fodder

literally laughed out loud at #4

 

[Greysama]

Dodai solos

Straight facts boi soda>your fav

 

[Raykyryn]

3. Just curious which situation are you talking about? Is it when

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Naruto and Dodai were on?

Yeah Temari managed to warm them before the pillar was destroyed so she pretty much reacted to the Raikages speed (despite the Raikage was standing close to the pillar in the first place).