I figured out what Naruto meant to Momoshiki

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Naruto is just a hypocrite throughout that whole movie.

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if we're talking about the same moment at least then the second I mentioned the hypocrisy of the way he treats his son in the stadium- everyone blew up at me for mentioning it when the movie first came out

 

[The Necromancer]

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if we're talking about the same moment at least then the second I mentioned the hypocrisy of the way he treats his son in the stadium- everyone blew up at me for mentioning it when the movie first came out

"The bracelet is cheating because it doesn't take any skill and doesn't use any chakra."

You mean like Gaara's automatic sand shield or Akamaru? How about the soldier pills that boost one's strength and chakra for free? Medicine? Bought poisons?

Not even to mention the fact that limiting tools in a test designed to diagnose real combat potential is retarded. You think Boruto wouldn't use that in a life or death battle because it's "cheating?" If anything you're ruining your own ability to judge Boruto's ability to accomplish the mission in the first place.

 

[Booker]

It doesn't matter, because Kurama is Naruto's power. Naruto literally conquered and made himself the owner of that power through effort and dedication.

Not the same as eating a pill.

 

[Booker]

"The bracelet is cheating because it doesn't take any skill and doesn't use any chakra."

You mean like Gaara's automatic sand shield or Akamaru? How about the soldier pills that boost one's strength and chakra for free? Medicine? Bought poisons?

Not even to mention the fact that limiting tools in a test designed to diagnose real combat potential is retarded. You think Boruto wouldn't use that in a life or death battle because it's "cheating?" If anything you're ruining your own ability to judge Boruto's ability to accomplish the mission in the first place.

Not even remotely comparable, Gaara's sand and Akamaru are each skills that were developed over time through training and dedication, which is the point of the story.

For example; I would hold a Basketball player in higher regard if he made it to the NBA by practicing every night for 3 hours than the guy who made it to the NBA by doping or using steroids to supplement his growth.

 

[WalksInShadows]

It doesn't matter, because Kurama is Naruto's power. Naruto literally conquered and made himself the owner of that power through effort and dedication.

Not the same as eating a pill.

it's exactly the same thing, because Kurama and Red Earth Pills come from the same exact source: Shinju fruit. Naruto being able to go into those chakra modes is entirely dependent upon Kurama having chakra, so idk why ppl kid themselves into believing Naruto can go into bijuu chakra modes solely because he trained. Kurama is not Naruto's power, because Naruto can't use avatars and mechs if Kurama doesn't have the chakra to allow it.

 

[Booker]

it's exactly the same thing, because Kurama and Red Earth Pills come from the same exact source: Shinju fruit. Naruto being able to go into those chakra modes is entirely dependent upon Kurama having chakra, so idk why ppl kid themselves into believing Naruto can go into bijuu chakra modes solely because he trained. Kurama is not Naruto's power, because Naruto can't use avatars and mechs if Kurama doesn't have the chakra to allow it.

False.

Naruto didn't just flip a switch and use the power, IE popping a pill.

If you recall, he went under loads of training since Part 1 to capture and leech off of Kurama's chakra and learned to control it. He literally battled the 9-Tails to capture his power and make it his own.

 

[WalksInShadows]

False.

Naruto didn't just flip a switch and use the power, IE popping a pill.

If you recall, he went under loads of training since Part 1 to capture and leech off of Kurama's chakra and learned to control it. He literally battled the 9-Tails to capture his power and make it his own.

"Naruto didn't just flip a switch and use the power, IE popping a pill."

Oh really? So there was never a time where Naruto literally had to ask for Kurama to lend him power?

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A spade is a spade, no matter how you try to dress it up and sell it.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

"The bracelet is cheating because it doesn't take any skill and doesn't use any chakra."

You mean like Gaara's automatic sand shield or Akamaru? How about the soldier pills that boost one's strength and chakra for free? Medicine? Bought poisons?

Not even to mention the fact that limiting tools in a test designed to diagnose real combat potential is retarded. You think Boruto wouldn't use that in a life or death battle because it's "cheating?" If anything you're ruining your own ability to judge Boruto's ability to accomplish the mission in the first place.

I'd usually want to disagree but you're absolutely right. Whether you've earned, stolen or been given your power (all 3 happen just as often in this manga)- there's no avoiding that 3 of our 4 protagonists primarily use powers they did not especially earn in the traditional training sense. (Itachi's eyes, Obito's sharingan & Naruto's relationship with Kurama.

In the world of Naruto at least, talent does not matter as much as it might in other sports. There was so much sneakiness and cheating in the original Chunnin exams also, Temari might've practised a lot but in comparison to her puppet user brother- swinging that fan took no skill. Being born lucky is the name of the game in Naruto and whilst there are few badass exceptions (Lee, Kabuto, sometimes Naruto) these characters often lose to people with easy-to-use powers (Guy/Madara & Lee/Gaara) and birthrights (Kabuto&Oro/Itachi)

Here's the deciding factor. They're ninja. It is entirely about survival and sneakiness, the entire first round of the written exam was based around 'HOW WELL CAN YOU CHEAT. ARE YOU RESOURCEFUL AND ADAPTABLE?'

Naruto stole an ancient relic to get his first and signature jutsu so you give that headband right back to him Naruto you hypocritical papa.

 

[Booker]

"Naruto didn't just flip a switch and use the power, IE popping a pill."

Oh really? So there was never a time where Naruto literally had to ask for Kurama to lend him power?

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A spade is a spade, no matter how you try to dress it up and sell it.

Yeah, power which he had already conquered and earned previously.

There's a disconnect in your logic here.

 

[Deadmed]

I'd usually want to disagree but you're absolutely right. Whether you've earned, stolen or been given your power (all 3 happen just as often in this manga)- there's no avoiding that 3 of our 4 protagonists primarily use powers they did not especially earn in the traditional training sense. (Itachi's eyes, Obito's sharingan & Naruto's relationship with Kurama.

In the world of Naruto at least, talent does not matter as much as it might in other sports. There was so much sneakiness and cheating in the original Chunnin exams also, Temari might've practised a lot but in comparison to her puppet user brother- swinging that fan took no skill. Being born lucky is the name of the game in Naruto and whilst there are few badass exceptions (Lee, Kabuto, sometimes Naruto) these characters often lose to people with easy-to-use powers (Guy/Madara & Lee/Gaara) and birthrights (Kabuto&Oro/Itachi)

Here's the deciding factor. They're ninja. It is entirely about survival and sneakiness, the entire first round of the written exam was based around 'HOW WELL CAN YOU CHEAT. ARE YOU RESOURCEFUL AND ADAPTABLE?'

Naruto stole an ancient relic to get his first and signature jutsu so you give that headband right back to him Naruto you hypocritical papa.

Temari's fan was her own technique the wristband uses presealed techniques and tries to replace actually discovering your own abilities and strengths. You would agree with the scientists who created it? Because their argument is that it's convenience makes it a worthy replacement for actually learning your own techniques. I think you're missing he point. The cheating test was how well you can use your own techniques to cheat, like how Gaara used his sand eye. Back then this kind of technology didn't exist so there was more of an anything goes mentality because everyone was relying on a low tech tools that needed to be used creatively in conjunction with everyone's own unique talents.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Temari's fan was her own technique the wristband uses presealed techniques and tries to replace actually discovering your own abilities and strengths. You would agree with the scientists who created it? Because their argument is that it's convenience makes it a worthy replacement for actually learning your own techniques. I think you're missing he point. The cheating test was how well you can use your own techniques to cheat, like how Gaara used his sand eye. Back then this kind of technology didn't exist so there was more of an anything goes mentality because everyone was relying on a low tech tools that needed to be used creatively in conjunction with everyone's own unique talents.

But still an exam based entirely on cheating and being resourceful. I remember Naruto literally being given his answer sheet and Kankuro straight-up going to the toilet to cheat.

 

[Deadmed]

But still an exam based entirely on cheating and being resourceful. I remember Naruto literally being given his answer sheet and Kankuro straight-up going to the toilet to cheat.

the point of that test was to see how stealthy ninjas can be. Hiding a machine that uses techniques you can't even do is not stealthy it just shows you suck and need to compensate with a machine that anyone can use. If it was to cheat on a written test it wouldn't have been clever but it was to compensate combat ability it shows Boruto isn't skilled and needs to rely on handicaps that anyone can use to the same effectiveness. Sure there is an argument to be made in its defense and this is what he inventors were trying to push but at the end of the day it discourages actual development of skills that is nessesary for ninjas to become top tier. That's why it's a shameful maneuver unlike puppets or fans or combat pills that only enhance the users unique abilities. Momoshiki completely relies on the power of the red earth otherwise he's a weakling, his power is completely dependent on consuming those pills he has no skills of his own. If he didn't emphasize his reliance on those pills so much and actually showed some pride in his own abilities and training, only using the red earth to amplify those abilities, Naruto wouldn't have said anything.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

the point of that test was to see how stealthy ninjas can be. Hiding a machine that uses techniques you can't even do is not stealthy it just shows you suck and need to compensate with a machine that anyone can use. If it was to cheat on a written test it wouldn't have been clever but it was to compensate combat ability it shows Boruto isn't skilled and needs to rely on handicaps that anyone can use to the same effectiveness. Sure there is an argument to be made in its defense and this is what he inventors were trying to push but at the end of the day it discourages actual development of skills that is nessesary for ninjas to become top tier. That's why it's a shameful maneuver unlike puppets or fans or combat pills that only enhance the users unique abilities. Momoshiki completely relies on the power of the red earth otherwise he's a weakling, his power is completely dependent on consuming those pills he has no skills of his own. If he didn't emphasize his reliance on those pills so much and actually showed some pride in his own abilities and training, only using the red earth to amplify those abilities, Naruto wouldn't have said anything.

Did any of the judges or examiners notice him using it through the 3 exams though?

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Examiner Lee, all 5 Kage and the entire crowd were watching. The mist triplets didn't notice what Boruto pulled on them even though they had him surrounded and up-close.

Shino, Tenten & their team had screens that were watching his battles and actively focusing on him. He does a fine job of hiding it. The chunnin exams OVA showed Naruto 'cheating' by accidentally activating Sage Mode against Konohamaru. The entire punchline and joke of that actual legit battle was that it was an unjust loss, that when rules are applied to deadly ninja combat.

Bottom line they are ninja, and the fact that only his own father was able to work it out means that I can't agree with you on this one bud. Even if it's lazy and unskilled to use, he's the victor as he would be in any actual situation. Naruto remains a hypocrite regardless due to the way he has cheated twice before and got his first ever jutsu by actually stealing an ancient relic.

The chunnin exams are to scout and promote strong and resourceful ninja even if they don't win their battle or use traditional tactics or earned power (Shikamaru was the lone Chunnin to rank up even though he wasn't the most 'skilled')

 

[WalksInShadows]

Yeah, power which he had already conquered and earned previously.

There's a disconnect in your logic here.

earned by what? Stealing it? Both the DB and manga make it clear that a bijuu's power doesn't equate to being those of the person wielding it, so the only disconnect is between you and reality.

Saying Kurama's power = Naruto's power is a lot like saying Tony Stark can do what he does as Iron Man without actually being in the suit. If Naruto needs Kurama chakra to go into those BC modes, no rational person can honestly say it's Naruto's own power just Kurama allows him to wield it.

 

[Deadmed]

Did any of the judges or examiners notice him using it through the 3 exams though?

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Examiner Lee, all 5 Kage and the entire crowd were watching. The mist triplets didn't notice what Boruto pulled on them even though they had him surrounded and up-close.

Shino, Tenten & their team had screens that were watching his battles and actively focusing on him. He does a fine job of hiding it. The chunnin exams OVA showed Naruto 'cheating' by accidentally activating Sage Mode against Konohamaru. The entire punchline and joke of that actual legit battle was that it was an unjust loss, that when rules are applied to deadly ninja combat.

Bottom line they are ninja, and the fact that only his own father was able to work it out means that I can't agree with you on this one bud. Even if it's lazy and unskilled to use, he's the victor as he would be in any actual situation. Naruto remains a hypocrite regardless due to the way he has cheated twice before and got his first ever jutsu by actually stealing an ancient relic.

The chunnin exams are to scout and promote strong and resourceful ninja even if they don't win their battle or use traditional tactics or earned power (Shikamaru was the lone Chunnin to rank up even though he wasn't the most 'skilled')

The gadget he used uses other people's learned jutsu ninja need to be able to create their own jutsu or the art will be forgotten. Technology of this caliber didn't exist back then but there is a line to be drawn when it comes to using power that is your own power and using power that you are simply stealing from others through means that isn't your abilities. That's like someone buying a robot to pretend to be them in the chunnin exams and then be like hey the robot won I am just super clever for making people believe it was actually me when I was at home taking a shower. Sharingan can copy jutsus but that's from hand seals and still is used through the persons own body rather than through a device. I can see ninjas having technology in the future but the jutsu gun simply wasn't Boruto's own skills when Naruto learned shadow clone jutsu that was his skill if he brought along a machine that created them then that would be the machines power not his anyway can just bring the same machine then and press the button. Such a tool defeats the purpose of comparing young ninja based on their own jutsus not jutsus a machine replicates for them. Kurama is part of Naruto it's part of his body he is a jinchuriki. It's also possible that the new chunnin exams operate on new revised principals regarding contraband.

you also need to keep in mind the world is not the same as it was in part 1 chunnin exams it's not as dark and cut throat. A character who just eats pills all day to be strong would probably be fine in that chunnin exams because they didn't even care if people killed each other but now it's more regulated so things don't get unfair and out of hand. On top of that the purpose is to hone your own skills not use devices that shoot other people's recorded jutsus like Momoshiki's power basically is. The world has changed so the same logic doesn't apply, Naruto wants Boruto to be his own ninja not a user of machines that aren't reliable or effective against experience ninja anyways.

From wiki "Although most ninja tools are permitted, the Seventh Hokage forbids the usage of the Kote, a recent invention that enables anyone to use any ninjutsu without training or chakra. As the Hokage explains, the Kote defeats the exams' purpose of nurturing the shinobi arts."

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

It doesn't matter, because Kurama is Naruto's power. Naruto literally conquered and made himself the owner of that power through effort and dedication.

Not the same as eating a pill.

Uh his mom and bee helped him other wise he would have lost

 

[Deadmed]

Uh his mom and bee helped him other wise he would have lost

He had help but he still had to work for it, it wasn't just there for the taking