I figured out what Naruto meant to Momoshiki

[Deadmed]

Ok so Naruto tells him "then you're just a coward who relies on doping!"

Naruto's point is that Momoshiki's source of power is unreliable. Naruto read the scrolls that Kaguya described him and his agenda in, he travels across the universe looking for "seed" planets where chakra fruits are born so he can harvest them into "red earth" that grants him god like power and eternal life so long as he obtains more before his "high" runs out.

Momoshiki depends on getting his "fix" in order to maintain his power and longevity, therefore according to Naruto his power is fake because it isn't his. While Kurama's chakra is from Kurama and not Naruto's own flesh and blood, he has made it his own and he can rely on it, unlike Momo who is desperate for the next fix of "red earth".

Boruto's arm cannon thing is a new technology that relies on workings beyond the knowledge of the user. Puppet users know their puppets inside out and use their well practiced ninjutsu to bring them to life. Their puppets are merely an extension of their technique and body just like a dojutsu or a jinchuriki transformation. The jutsu blaster is technology that requires no training or effort to use, technology can malfunction or not work as intended, complications can arise where the user has no training or preparation for, this is not reliable power. True power is something that you control, using complicated technology you can't understand and cannot master is not something you can control as Naruto or Sasuke controls their powers. Momoshiki doesn't control his power because it controls him, he relies on hunting down more drugs in order to keep himself going, fearing that his next fix may evade him and he will be left weakened.

Naruto and Sasuke trained hard and suffered through countless trials to come to where they are, Hagaromo didn't share his power with a bunch of nobodies who never trained, and that power is there's for the taking. Momo doesn't have the relationship with his drugs that Naruto has with his Bijuu's, and the drugs are scarce and rare and require the draining of life on planets, his power is fleeting and thus fake.

Naruto's lesson is that in order to have true power, it must be something that you can rely on and have control over, not something beyond your understanding or influence, or something that requires you to live like a coward afraid he won't get his next "fix".

Also, from the wiki, "Although most ninja tools are permitted, the Seventh Hokage forbids the usage of the Kote, a recent invention that enables anyone to use any ninjutsu without training or chakra. As the Hokage explains, the Kote defeats the exams' purpose of nurturing the shinobi arts."

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Ok so Naruto tells him "then you're just a coward who relies on doping!"

Naruto's point is that Momoshiki's source of power is unreliable. Naruto read the scrolls that Kaguya described him and his agenda in, he travels across the universe looking for "seed" planets where chakra fruits are born so he can harvest them into "red earth" that grants him god like power and eternal life so long as he obtains more before his "high" runs out.

Momoshiki depends on getting his "fix" in order to maintain his power and longevity, therefore according to Naruto his power is fake because it isn't his. While Kurama's chakra is from Kurama and not Naruto's own flesh and blood, he has made it his own and he can rely on it, unlike Momo who is desperate for the next fix of "red earth".

Boruto's arm cannon thing is a new technology that relies on workings beyond the knowledge of the user. Puppet users know their puppets inside out and use their well practiced ninjutsu to bring them to life. Their puppets are merely an extension of their technique and body just like a dojutsu or a jinchuriki transformation. The jutsu blaster is technology that requires no training or effort to use, technology can malfunction or not work as intended, complications can arise where the user has no training or preparation for, this is not reliable power. True power is something that you control, using complicated technology you can't understand and cannot master is not something you can control as Sasuke or Naruto controls their powers. Momoshiki doesn't control his power because it controls him, he relies on hunting down more drugs in order to keep himself going, fearing that his next fix may evade him and he will be left weakened

Sasuke and Naruto trained hard and suffered through countless trials to come to where they are, Hagaromo didn't share his power with a bunch of nobodies who never trained, and that power is there's for the taking, Momo doesn't have the relationship with his drugs that Naruto has with his Bijuu's, and the drugs are scarce and rare and require the draining of life on planets, his power is fleeting and thus fake.

Naruto's lesson is that in order to have true power, it must be something that you can rely on and have control over, not something beyond your understanding or influence, or something that requires you to live like a coward afraid he won't get his next "fix".

...I might just have to read the new chapters. This sounds genuinely interesting if they're expanding on Momoshiki.

 

[Deadmed]

...I might just have to read the new chapters. This sounds genuinely interesting if they're expanding on Momoshiki.

Well the manga doesn't state everything I did some of it is from the guidebook. But recently in the manga Naruto reveals he knows Momoshiki's agenda from deciphering Kaguya's scrolls in the ice dimension, and criticizes his "effortless" method of attaining power. It's quite possible they will go more in depth to Momoshiki as they have been adding more and more new details here and there, particularly additional character interactions and dialogue.

The movie did a bad job explaining things, leaving it to the guidebooks to fill in the gaps.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Well the manga doesn't state everything I did some of it is from the guidebook. But recently in the manga Naruto reveals he knows Momoshiki's agenda from deciphering Kaguya's scrolls in the ice dimension, and criticizes his "effortless" method of attaining power. It's quite possible they will go more in depth to Momoshiki as they have been adding more and more new details here and there, particularly additional character interactions and dialogue.

The movie did a bad job explaining things, leaving it to the guidebooks to fill in the gaps.

I'm suddenly very into this, thanks for the thread.

 

[Black Wizard]

I like this description on how you perceive true power, its very realistic how you put it. Something you have control of rather than it controls you, nice thread.

 

[Deadmed]

I like this description on how you perceive true power, its very realistic how you put it. Something you have control of rather than it controls you, nice thread.

Well it's basically what Naruto is trying to say in the manga, just made a lot more descriptive.

 

[Aznkidd]

what Naruto mean was he just took a couple of pills then become very powerful, that is cheating.
Naruto had to train hard to control tailed beast chakra, that is very different than just drink the pill....

About Boruto using device, it will be ok if Boruto is the inventor, but nope, he is not and he only use someone else creation that rely nothin on his own strength. The user doesnt need to even train to use the device.....

 

[Deadmed]

what Naruto mean was he just took a couple of pills then become very powerful, that is cheating.
Naruto had to train hard to control tailed beast chakra, that is very different than just drink the pill....

About Boruto using device, it will be ok if Boruto is the inventor, but nope, he is not and he only use someone else creation that rely nothin on his own strength. The user doesnt need to even train to use the device.....

even if he did invent it if he wasn't able to control it like a Gaara controls his sand or Sasori controls his puppets it won't suffice in the world of shinobi. Shinobi need tools that work with their techniques not replace them, or else the power now belongs to the tool rather than the operator. If Boruto made it himself, he would need to make it something he could master and perfect, otherwise he would only rely on its power rather than his own skills and abilities.

 

[Aznkidd]

even if he did invent it if he wasn't able to control it like a Gaara controls his sand or Sasori controls his puppets it won't suffice in the world of shinobi. Shinobi need tools that work with their techniques not replace them, or else the power now belongs to the tool rather than the operator, and that is not true power and will only lead to reliance.

If he is the inventor then that will be a totally different story since he has the brain to create it in the first place. His strength/power will mainly depend on his intelligent just like how Shikamaru use his brain to defeat enemy.

 

[The Necromancer]

Naruto is just a hypocrite throughout that whole movie.

 

[Deadmed]

If he is the inventor then that will be a totally different story since he has the brain to create it in the first place. His strength/power will mainly depend on his intelligent just like how Shikamaru use his brain to defeat enemy.

well if he made it and he understood its limitations and prepared for that like how Sasori always had another puppet trick as backup if one failed, then yeah. However the machine alone is too simple and gimmicky to suffice for ninja weaponry, all it does is replace what a ninja can do if he trains and learns those techniques. If he built it himself and knew how to use it in a way that worked with his overall technique that went beyond spamming other people's techniques using scrolls then it would be reliable, but the way Boruto was using it was just as a replacement for his own lack of inaptitude.

If you think that it is indeed a worthy replacement for actually learning how to do those techniques with practice, then you would be agreeing with the scientists in the movie who were using Boruto as a way to advertise their product.

 

[Wparker6804]

Why didn't he just eat a regular chakra fruit & gain immortality like Kaguya?

 

[Deadmed]

Why didn't he just eat a regular chakra fruit & gain immortality like Kaguya?

Probably he doesn't want to go completely insane like Kaguya, that's my theory at least.

 

[Aznkidd]

well if he made it and he understood its limitations and prepared for that like how Sasori always had another puppet trick as backup if one failed, then yeah. However the machine alone is too simple and gimmicky to suffice for ninja weaponry, all it does is replace what a ninja can do if he trains and learns those techniques. If the machine breaks or goes missing and the person using it can't do anything beyond press a button they are effectively screwed. It's simply not true power.

Well i think it applies more to normal user, but as an inventor he has to draw out the seal on it in the first place. So his knowlegde must be beyond average. If you remember back then when Jiraiya used his scroll to seal up Amaterasu, that was very awesome, but we 've got no chance to see more about it..... until now.

 

[lndra]

Naruto said the same thing in the Movie too lol

 

[Deadmed]

Well i think it applies more to normal user, but as an inventor he has to draw out the seal on it in the first place. So his knowlegde must be beyond average. If you remember back then when Jiraiya used his scroll to seal up Amaterasu, that was very awesome, but we 've got no chance to see more about it..... until now.

If he built it himself and knew how to use it in a way that worked with his overall technique that went beyond spamming other people's techniques using scrolls then it would be reliable, but the way Boruto was using it was just as a replacement for his own lack of inaptitude.

If you think that it is indeed a worthy replacement for actually learning how to do those techniques with practice, then you would be agreeing with the scientists in the movie who were using Boruto as a way to advertise their product. Borrowing chakra is one thing but using prerecorded Justus with machinery you didn't create is like recording someone else singing and playing it during an audition. It's just fake unless you have the skills to back it up. Is there a place for such a technology in the Naruto world? Perhaps, but to replace training and actually learning how to preform ninjutsu is only going to make ninjas weaker because now they have nothing to master and improve on.

 

[NextGenNinja]

Why didn't he just eat a regular chakra fruit & gain immortality like Kaguya?

Hmm, he wanted to make those pills from the chakra fruit. Wouldn't those pills be special tho? It should give him immortality like kaguya either way.

 

[Aznkidd]

If he built it himself and knew how to use it in a way that worked with his overall technique that went beyond spamming other people's techniques using scrolls then it would be reliable, but the way Boruto was using it was just as a replacement for his own lack of inaptitude.

If you think that it is indeed a worthy replacement for actually learning how to do those techniques with practice, then you would be agreeing with the scientists in the movie who were using Boruto as a way to advertise their product. Borrowing chakra is one thing but using prerecorded Justus with machinery you didn't create is like recording someone else singing and playing it during an audition. It's just fake unless you have the skills to back it up.

no i didnt mean it, im actually against it. What i draw out was just a scenario if Boruto is the inventor, otherwise he did not use his own strength like you have mentioned.

The device is just an easy tool, the scroll is the big deal. What i want to see is people start using scroll more but with their own strength or skill.

 

[Deadmed]

no i didnt mean it, im actually against it. What i draw out was just a scenario if Boruto is the inventor, otherwise he did not use his own strength like you have mentioned.

The device is just an easy tool, the scroll is the big deal. What i want to see is people start using scroll more but with their own strength or skill.

they do Ten Ten uses scrolls to shoot weapons at people, Sasori used scrolls in a similar way to the scroll gun Boruto used. But the thing is Sasori was the inventor like you said and controlled all the intricate workings of his contraptions as an extension of his body, it as his own power and abilities as he assembled everything himself which took immense hard work and practice. A mass produced bracelet that lets anyone spam Justus discourages growth if used to replace training and in the end isn't going to be very effective against highly skilled shinobi who don't need trinkets anyway. The gun worked on the young genin that Boruto fought but that kind of one trick pony tactic isn't going to cut it when facing a real ninja. In the end of the movie true cooperation and skill triumphed against Momoshiki, while the justu spam rifle only made things worse because those using it were incompetent and untrained with the power that it held.

 

[Aznkidd]

they do Ten Ten uses scrolls to shoot weapons at people, Sasori used scrolls in a similar way to the scroll gun Boruto used. But the thing is Sasori was the inventor like you said and controlled all the intricate workings of his contraptions as an extension of his body, it as his own power and abilities as he assembled everything himself which took immense hard work and practice. A mass produced bracelet that lets anyone spam Justus discourages growth if used to replace training and in the end isn't going to be very effective against highly skilled shinobi who don't need trinkets anyway. The gun worked on the young genin that Boruto fought but that kind of one trick pony tactic isn't going to cut it when facing a real ninja. In the end of the movie true cooperation and real skill triumphed against Momoshiki, while the justu spam rifle only made things worse because those using it were incompetent with the power that it held.

Not entirely, but overall, Yes :lol
When something is missing, there is another thing add up to it. Just like when people stop fighting with they bare fist, but using gun instead, they become more professional and more intelligent.
I like to see how ten ten, sai and gaara using their scroll, but i want more something as mysterious as Jiraiya scroll or summon scroll on mythical beast, scroll that sealed up a cool jutsu/rare elements......