At his old age whitebeard was still the strongest in the one piece vs him being that strong only shows how powerful him and Rogers was back in the days. He stopped a giant ship with one hand he soloed akainu when he was badly injured and even had his insides incinerated relatively quickly. It took akainu and aokiji 10 days to settle their fight whitebeard ended his in less then 5 attacks. After his fight with akainu he still almost split the island in half then fought teach. Whitebeard was unquestionably the strongest even while sick and in old age he can never be overrated he's a pure beast.
[Discussion] Whitebeard is the most overrated Character.
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I strongly agree. Someone like Kaido should be able to stomp Marineford WB since Akainu survived a bloodlusted WB assault.
I have to disagree because one could easily say that akainu only survived because he fail into a crack in marine ford. When whitebeard first smashed his head into the ground with a quake punch he jumped into the air and tried to smash his skull in with his leg that had a quake bubble on it. Akainu was saved by his circumstance. Whitebeard would've definitely finished akainu off if he was laying in front of him after taking that final attack. Kaidou vs whitebeard would be an extreme diff fight either way I don't know who wins that's but I'd pay to see it lol
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Oda also drew Youth that doesn't give a shit about elders, especially Akainu :sdo: His fight with WB to me was wildly fluctuating. Sometimes he seemed >> WB and sometimes WB seemed >>>>>> Him
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I don't see your counterpoint. So Akainu doesn't care about elders what does that matter. Also WB was > him until his health started acting up in battle so if WB(unsick) would be > Akainu and Garp is right there with unsick WB then why wouldn't he also be > Akainu? Given what Oda drew in those moments and the legacy he gave Garp we really have no reason to assume had Garp fought Akainu there after trying to kill Luffy that Garp wouldn't have killed Akainu. The only thing to even imply he wouldn't be able to is personal feelings, all the cold hard black and whites indicate he would have that's why the fight didn't happen.
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First off, none of that jumping shit happened. This is every single panel of combat between the two:
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Secondly, no, Akainu wouldn't have died if he hadn't fallen into that crack, Whitebeard would have died. Right after that, Teach and his crew showed up and were able to kill Whitebeard. You're telling me Akainu couldn't perform as well as them? You're telling me if Teach and his crew attacked Akainu at that moment, he'd have died? Cuz the only way Akainu would have lost to WB if that fight continued would be if Teach and his crew could have killed Akainu as well.
Nah. His power was justified and displayed, he was just too old to keep up with it. Even as an old man, he was badass. Hiruzen never showed a scrap of anything. Don't compare him to WB.
This isn't true. Neither of them had the edge over the other. Neither of them were able to get attacks past the other. Neither of them were falling back. They were even.
I love the "If Akainu could survive that quake then people like Shanks and Kaido shouldnt even flinch to that" when u basically have nothing to support ur claim except pure bullshittery, I can understand if u think that is you're opinion but stop stating it like its a fact because no unless the manga proves ur point its an irrelevant opinion.
OT: The marineford war as told in the word itself was a war not an individual battle there were a shitton of parties included so no u cant judge the guys power based on the individual battles each when the guy started the war with a sword wound that pierced him throughout his body, got health issues during the war and was sucker punched by Akainu in his chest melting his insides in the process and again using that moment for the marine officers to shoot/stab WB until he went rampage and still a bloodlusted WB was able to take down Akainu despite all and make sure he stays down for the time being, now the admirals all were also in a war and had to fight numerous fight but the WB pirates were out numbered and were inferior in power to the marines considering how cheaply his top commanders fell.
Wb would probably despite age beat anyone in a 1v1 if the fight started with WB not having a stab as a head start and using a shitton of stamina against marines/walls etc, take it into consideration what would WB do if his attention did shrink to only one person and he could spam his quakes also the fact that he had to limit his power throughout the whole war. There still hasnt been a better feat up to date than taking down a healthy top admiral down in 2 hits while having his whole body stabbed/shot/melted.
There is a reason his hype/standings were head and shoulders above anyone in OP.
OT: The marineford war as told in the word itself was a war not an individual battle there were a shitton of parties included so no u cant judge the guys power based on the individual battles each when the guy started the war with a sword wound that pierced him throughout his body, got health issues during the war and was sucker punched by Akainu in his chest melting his insides in the process and again using that moment for the marine officers to shoot/stab WB until he went rampage and still a bloodlusted WB was able to take down Akainu despite all and make sure he stays down for the time being, now the admirals all were also in a war and had to fight numerous fight but the WB pirates were out numbered and were inferior in power to the marines considering how cheaply his top commanders fell.
Wb would probably despite age beat anyone in a 1v1 if the fight started with WB not having a stab as a head start and using a shitton of stamina against marines/walls etc, take it into consideration what would WB do if his attention did shrink to only one person and he could spam his quakes also the fact that he had to limit his power throughout the whole war. There still hasnt been a better feat up to date than taking down a healthy top admiral down in 2 hits while having his whole body stabbed/shot/melted.
There is a reason his hype/standings were head and shoulders above anyone in OP.
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He was already sick and in failing health at MF though, the only time Akainu got a clear upper hand was when WB was in the middle of a health issue. Even though he was sick he was still keeping up until those sudden moments(heart attacks) They were even in the battle because Akainu was taking advantage of the openings WB's failing health were opening. So an unsick WB who isn't dealing with sporadic heart attacks mid fight would be > Akainu if only slightly. Garp was more or less = to an unsick WB.
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lmao wtf are you talking about. what hiruzen displayed was impressive at the time. that is the perfect comparison.
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Marineford WB isn't beating Kaido,Shanks,Or BB he most likely will beat Big mom cause it's obvious that she's the weakest emperor. Kaido def tanks that punch the put Akainu on his ass.
Riker doesn't understand the snowball effect. It's a pretty simple concept. Oda even made akainu use underhanded tricks like the squardo incident to show that even he believed how much of a force wb truly is. Yea Garp was portrayed well also, the guy casually swatted Marco away where as admirals couldn't do the same.
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First off, it was Sengoku's plan, not Akainu's. He just had Akainu play the part of talking to Squard.
Secondly, WB himself laughed off Squard's stab. When WB had his heart attack, Marco attributed it to his health and there was no indication that Squard's stab to his stomach played any role, so it's nothing but speculation that Squard's stab did any substantial damage to WB.
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There's a really interesting bit if hypocrisy in this tbvh. When people who says that a Yonko's commander should be vastly weaker than a Yonko, but then lump Rayleigh and Scopper into the same super category Roger and Whitebeard are in since they're from that generation too.
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I can't remember if it was on here or on YouTube, but I remember someone said once that logically, pirates of this era should end up being stronger than pirates of the previous era. Since this is the great age of pirates, there's a lot more competition from both fellow pirates and Marines, so there should be more to push through in order to get stronger, and I think that makes a lot of sense.
Oda probably wouldn't go that route and put that kind of thought into it, but it is interesting.
I said that on here plenty of times.
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If people do want to stack generations up against each other, there is no bigger fact than Shanks' generation being the Great Pirate Era.
Akainu was the person who executed the whole thing, if it was soooo useless why even bother. It was to get a big cheap shot at Wb. They took any opportunity to bring him down. All of this shows how much of a threat wb truly is.
He laughed so do other anime characters they aren't gonna break character after an attack. Wb isn't gonna admit oh yea I'm super hurt its called pride simple as that. Speculation??? Really the whole setup to show his age and his fragility and its speculation dude the reach is strong like super strong. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the manga and hype as how it's used. Then again you think akainu has the same level of hype as shanks or Garp etc when he is below them and wb.
Cuz yonko commanders can vary in strength, Ben beckam is likely closer to shanks than lucky roo. Same with big mom the guy who lost to urouge is further away from big mom then cracker or one of the other commanders. Or are u in the belief that all yonko commanders are equal when the manga proves to us that it's not usually the case. Who ever put scooper a guy who we kno next to nothing about in the extreme top tier of one piece.
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