[VS] Gaara and Rasa Vs Pain

[Kakashistomps]

Gaara and Rasa

Vs

Pain



Location-Fight is outside of Sand Village
Knowledge-Manga
Intent-Kill/Seal
Restrictions/Conditions-Rasa is alive,Gaara is perfect jin,Shukaku helps him this time.
Who Wins?Imagine that instead of Deidara,Pain himself went to capture Shukaku....

 

[DrProof]

Perfect Jin Gaara murks Pain. Especially with War-Arc feats. War-Arc Gaara without Perf Jin can whoop Pain as well, he doesn't need his pops here.

Haven't argued for Gaara in a while, ready to turn up if need be.

 

[Zexion~]

Lol Pain beats normal Gaara and honestly has a chance against perfect jin as well, don't know if Rasa would benefit anything here.

 

[DrProof]

Lol Pain beats normal Gaara and honestly has a chance against perfect jin as well, don't know if Rasa would benefit anything here.

Nah. The only Path that can pose a threat is Deva. The rest can't touch Gaara once he takes out aerial support (Animal Path). The only path he'd that would remain standing is Deva. And Gaara murks Deva.

People forgetting Naruto fought all the pains on the ground. Gaara is an aerial fighter, this will be much easier than Naruto's fight.

 

[Zexion~]

Nah. The only Path that can pose a threat is Deva. The rest can't touch Gaara once he takes out aerial support (Animal Path). The only path he'd that would remain standing is Deva. And Gaara murks Deva.

People forgetting Naruto fought all the pains on the ground. Gaara is an aerial fighter, this will be much easier than Naruto's fight.

Deva can float, and Asura can Launch not to mention Gaara having confidence while in the air could be a victim of BT, not to mention Naraka can continuously revive the Animal path and summons.

 

[Eng nawashi]

CST or CT ends this .

 

[TheSages456]

Pain demolishes them.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Tendo wrecks

 

[DrProof]

Deva can float, and Asura can Launch not to mention Gaara having confidence while in the air could be a victim of BT, not to mention Naraka can continuously revive the Animal path and summons.

Meaning what? Both paths are slow compared to Gaara's aerial speed by FAR. Ok, and when Gaara see's Narake revive paths, who do you think is going to die next? Literally, this is Gaara's playing field. Outside of the Sand Village? Unlimited quantities of Sand, at his disposal? Massive AoE attacks will destroy the paths, especially with Deva's lag time between repulse, and attraction.

Can't believe you listed Asura like that path is worth a damn. Seriously, this is Gaara's fight, and he absolutely murders.

Bansho Tenin? Really. It's a short-mid technique, and when have we actually seen Deva flying speeds to even closely rival Gaara's? Let me answer that: Never.

Deva isn't getting ANYWHERE CLOSE to an effective range with ST, and BT in this matchup. And once Gaara see's the wait time between ST, and BT. Endless waves of Sand attacks which he'd already be doing, would leave Deva crushed, and dead.

Literally, Gaara counters everything Pain has to offer easily due to his versatility. Chibaku Tensei? Gaara easily flies out of range. Oh, but wait. Let's say this is Perf Jin Gaara, TBB works just as fine. I mean seriously.

F*ck it, I'm typing up why Gaara >>> Pain right now. People underrating the kid smh.

 

[NarutoX28]

I'm honestly not sure. Given the location, perhaps Gaara and Rasa, but honestly, Gaara's feats seem horribly inconsistent.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I'm honestly not sure. Given the location, perhaps Gaara and Rasa, but honestly, Gaara's feats seem horribly inconsistent.

Explain he has some of best feats in series that's not over powered

 

[NarutoX28]

Explain he has some of best feats in series that's not over powered

For one, his sand was incapable of snatching Joki Boy which honestly shouldn't have been indicative of his battle prowess as a KazeKage and he hardly could manifest a necessary defense against Madara's attacks despite earlier feats dictating that he should've been able to. I honestly don't think his feats are even a representation of how he was portrayed. Even in Part 1, his feats alone arguably dictate that he should defeat the likes of Part 1 Kakashi even though from a portrayal standpoint, that just seems somewhat illogical.

 

[DrProof]

For one, his sand was incapable of snatching Joki Boy which honestly shouldn't have been indicative of his battle prowess as a KazeKage and he hardly could manifest a necessary defense against Madara's attacks despite earlier feats dictating that he should've been able to. I honestly don't think his feats are even a representation of how he was portrayed. Even in Part 1, his feats alone arguably dictate that he should defeat the likes of Part 1 Kakashi even though from a portrayal standpoint, that just seems somewhat illogical.

What? That just prove that Joki Boy had top tier speed. Have you not seen what he's done in the Madara fight? His feats have not been inconsistent, in anyway, shape, or form.

Hardly manifest a proper defense vs Madara? Are you for real right now? The same Madara who he guarded 4-5 Susano'o Clone slashes without paying attention to with his automatic defense like it was nothing? Defense vs Madara was pointless because all his attacks were to overpowering. The kages needed to work together offensively, to bring down Madara, not turtle up, and spam defensives.

Typing up a long ass post for why Gaara > Pain. Wait on it.

 

[Zexion~]

Meaning what? Both paths are slow compared to Gaara's aerial speed by FAR. Ok, and when Gaara see's Narake revive paths, who do you think is going to die next? Literally, this is Gaara's playing field. Outside of the Sand Village? Unlimited quantities of Sand, at his disposal? Massive AoE attacks will destroy the paths, especially with Deva's lag time between repulse, and attraction.

Can't believe you listed Asura like that path is worth a damn. Seriously, this is Gaara's fight, and he absolutely murders.

Bansho Tenin? Really. It's a short-mid technique, and when have we actually seen Deva flying speeds to even closely rival Gaara's? Let me answer that: Never.

Deva isn't getting ANYWHERE CLOSE to an effective range with ST, and BT in this matchup. And once Gaara see's the wait time between ST, and BT. Endless waves of Sand attacks which he'd already be doing, would leave Deva crushed, and dead.

Literally, Gaara counters everything Pain has to offer easily due to his versatility. Chibaku Tensei? Gaara easily flies out of range. Oh, but wait. Let's say this is Perf Jin Gaara, TBB works just as fine. I mean seriously.

F*ck it, I'm typing up why Gaara >>> Pain right now. People underrating the kid smh.

I suppose if this is Jin Gaara in a desert its a pretty big difference as he CAN just spam sand with his unlimited chakra. However even then Deva can use the bird summon to get close enough for a BT, especially if Asura uses his chakra laser to force Gaara into his "absolute defense". Not to mention absolutely no counter to CT.

Preta path also showed it can absorb the sand so it can defend whichever paths it pleases.

 

[NarutoX28]

What? That just prove that Joki Boy had top tier speed. Have you not seen what he's done in the Madara fight? His feats have not been inconsistent, in anyway, shape, or form.

Not necessarily considering useless fodder could react to Joki Boy as well. That just indicates that there's a discrepancy in how fast his sand actually can travel. Regardless of whether you think, his feats aren't representative of how Gaara was portrayed at all.

Hardly manifest a proper defense vs Madara? Are you for real right now? The same Madara who he guarded 4-5 Susano'o Clone slashes without paying attention to with his automatic defense like it was nothing? Defense vs Madara was pointless because all his attacks were to overpowering. The kages needed to work together offensively, to bring down Madara, not turtle up, and spam defensives.

Gaara showed the capacity of mounting a viable defense while still being capable of fighting Deidara offensively, so why was Gaara incapable of utilizing a large mass of sand and use it both offensively and defensively against his Susano'o clones?

 

[DrProof]

I suppose if this is Jin Gaara in a desert its a pretty big difference as he CAN just spam sand with his unlimited chakra. However even then Deva can use the bird summon to get close enough for a BT, especially if Asura uses his chakra laser to force Gaara into his "absolute defense". Not to mention absolutely no counter to CT.

Preta path also showed it can absorb the sand so it can defend whichever paths it pleases.

I.War Arc Gaara without Shukaku's support is able to spam countless Sand techs, he was a Jin afterall, he has obscene amounts of Chakra, and from what we've seen, Gaara has NEVER been out of chakra ever, meaning he has perfect chakra control, and his sand techniques don't deplete him much.

II. None of the paths are faster than Gaara aerial. That's a fact. Once Gaara becomes airborne he destroys the paths that can't fly, Animal Path gets eaten up quickly at the notice of a giant bird or any animal for that matter being summoned. Gaara is by far one of the smartest, and tactical registering ninja in the manga. The only Path, as I have iterated is Deva that will be a "problem" I quote problem, because he really won't be.

III. Counter for CT? Simply out run it. OR. OR .OR. Gaara uses his sand to demateralize the rock, and sediments like he did vs Kimimaro (he made an ocean of sand in seconds), which makes Chibaku Tensei a giant useable sand sphere. Literally, I have so many counters for CT it's stupid.

IV. Preta Path can't absorb the sand, just the chakra from the sand. The process is slow, and tedious. Proving to be futile due to the obscene amounts of sand Gaara dishes out. Literally, Preta Path would be a sitting duck just like Madara slowly absorbing the small amounts of chakra within Gaara's sand.

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[DrProof]

Not necessarily considering useless fodder could react to Joki Boy as well. That just indicates that there's a discrepancy in how fast his sand actually can travel. Regardless of whether you think, his feats aren't representative of how Gaara was portrayed at all.



Gaara showed the capacity of mounting a viable defense while still being capable of fighting Deidara offensively, so why was Gaara incapable of utilizing a large mass of sand and use it both offensively and defensively against his Susano'o clones?

Because Kishi is inconsistent. Not Gaara.

 

[NarutoX28]

Because Kishi is inconsistent. Not Gaara.

Or Kishimoto made Gaara inconsistent because he realized how Gaara's portrayal is inconsistent.

 

[DrProof]

Or Kishimoto made Gaara inconsistent because he realized how Gaara's portrayal is inconsistent.

No. It's because Kishimoto is inconsistent. Just stop lmao. Kurama being different sizes despite the same chapter. Two fodder beating Kakuzu.

Itachi stating he and Kisame together probably could not defeat Jiraiya.

Hiruzen being called a greater Hokage than Hashirama, Tobirama, and Minato.

Inconsistencies everywhere.

 

[NarutoX28]

No. It's because Kishimoto is inconsistent. Just stop lmao. Kurama being different sizes despite the same chapter. Two fodder beating Kakuzu.

Itachi stating he and Kisame together probably could not defeat Jiraiya.

Hiruzen being called a greater Hokage than Hashirama, Tobirama, and Minato.

Inconsistencies everywhere.

That has nothing to do with inconsistencies in regards to how characters are portrayed due to feats. Quite frankly, I find it a silly excuse just to say "Kishimoto was inconsistent" because there's a reason for all of those inconsistencies. Why would Gaara's be an exception to that rule?