[VS] Zabuza vs Mei

[DrProof]

Yeah but in a mid-close range fight, Zabuza has less changes to dodge Mei's huge AoE attacks to safely put up the mist. Mei's advantage with long range attacks gets nullified if she can't pick where to attack.

Hidden Mist doesn't take much effort, nor time to establish however.

What really bugs me is the possible overrating, and potential giving of fake feats to Mei's Acidic Mist, such as: She can lower the PH level, beyond that of which she'd shown.

Of course, it's obvious she can higher the PH level that's not in question, seeing as she's done it before, as well heightening the PH level more or less makes it into another form of the Hidden Mist technique without the hidden aspect.

Also, the corrosiveness of Mei's Acidic Mist is indeed potent, but not in the sense of immediate death, as some may believe or have preached.

Mei's Acidic Mist corroded Sasuke ribcage Susano'o to the point, that it was capable enough to slip through a small crevice (yes, a small hole that the mist corroded, if this weren't the case, Sasuke entire body would have been subjected to corrosion at the same time. Meaning, that Susano'o wasn't dimming the corrosion potency/rate in any possible way), and began the process of corrosion upon his flesh.

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The corrosion albeit quick, did not do as much damage as it would need to do to halt someone with high pain tolerance, and on the verge, of killing Mei. This being Zabuza.

Sasuke panicked at the initial introduction of Acidic Mist - Flesh, but then leveled himself, enduring the pain before Zetsu interfered.

Zabuza's pain tolerance is/was a lot higher than Sasuke's at the time, (Sasuke getting his chest blown out isn't a pain tolerance feat fyi, he basically died on the spot if not for the help of Jugo's compatibility resuscitation) being able to take multiple stab wounds that would kill on contact even high tier ninja.

Just take a second, and admire badassery that is Zabuza, as well, as his pain tolerance, and will power to behead Gato with a Kunai, even through all of those fatal assaults.

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On that note, I believe I've made my point clear.

 

[madvictory]

Zabuza's specialty is his Hidden Mist Jutsu, which Mei knows how very well. Hell, she can even use it herself.
Mei will turn Zabuza into his beloved steam.

 

[EZQ]

Zabuza's specialty is his Hidden Mist Jutsu, which Mei knows how very well. Hell, she can even use it herself.
Mei will turn Zabuza into his beloved steam.

It's so obvious that you didn't read the arguments at all

 

[Icelerate]

Chemical reactions don't behave like heat lol. In normal pressure and temperature, they react in contact. As soon as Mei emits her mist, it reacts with Zabuza's. Mei can keep releasing it but as i already adressed, her limit of how much acid mist she can release should be below her limit of normal mist, not to mention that she can't keep the boil near her at her own will. So it will be DISPERSED + DILUTED.

Water + acid = acid because water is pH 7 and anything less than that is acidic. Anyway what I meant was that the acid that is constantly emitted from Mei's mouth is going to be acidic until it reacts. There will always be some acid coming from her mouth which hasn't reacted yet. Also mist is basically spread out water particles much like acid mist. It's not like two concentrated liquids mixing together in a bottle. It will take much longer so don't even act that the reaction will only take a few seconds to dilute.

Anyway when acid meets water,

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Zabuza's mist making his silent killing useless.

Sasuke's ribcage clearly has space between the ribs for the mist to enter.

It keeps most of the acid mist away from Sasuke considering his skin wasn't melting unlike his ribcage, the walls (

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Yes, but she can hear it when the water already started to move ==> Zabuza already changed location

Okay.

Overrating Mei's reactions. She'll hear the jutsu FORMING tho it is made really fast (Kakashi finished the seals and said the name of the jutsu just an instant before Zabuza, and the jutsu just fired itself and Zabuza couldn't even launch his). So there's no form of Mei lauching her counter BEFORE Zabuza's is fired.

Med range is enough. Mei still doesn't have the reaction to accomplish what you claim.

I meant Mei counters before the water reaches her and not before he launches his attack. Mei's jutsu execution speed is far above Zabuza's so I don't see why you're bringing up Zabuza not being able to intercept Kakashi's especially when Zabuza was being confused by Kakashi.

When Zabuza made 10 clones, he said they were one tenth his power. While only one clone could handle Kakashi pretty well, and shitstomped Sasuke, who at the same time shitstomped Zabuza's 1/10th clones, so one clone should be able to roughly make the same jutsu. Kisame's water clones could make jutsu as well, and Kisame has only 30% of his chakra, and it was divided on 3 clones, and they still could make water prison and some other fodder water jutsus without breaking a sweat. Then we have Kakashi with raiton Kage bunshin (which is a normal kage bunshin infused with lightining by databook) able to use raikiri dog. Clones using jutsu is pretty underrated. If Zabuza uses fair enough chakra on his clone, he could pull it off. It's one attack he needs. Even if Zabuza's clones can't accomplish this, he can do this:

1- Sends a bunch of clones as sacrifices inside the acid mist to distract Mei even for a second
2- At the same time prepares the jutsu
3- Fires it and as i stated before, Mei having her counter ready by that point is impossible

The clash of the two water jutsus would disperse even more the already diluted and dispersed mist =Zabuza can get close range and finish it

Kakashi would stomp a single Zabuza clone. Sasuke at that point in time was very weak. Kisame even at 30% has far more chakra than Neji as even Neji pointed out how much of a chakra beast he was. That lake he produced even at 30% is far superior to any of Zabuza's suiton feats. Raiton kage bunshin has 50% of Kakashi's chakra, not 10% like water clones. Dude your points here are pretty bad.

Next you say Mei can't react to Zabuza's suiton from mid range just because of hidden mist which doesn't block its sound nor do Zabuza's water clones dispersing make a sound anywhere as great as a water dragon's movement.

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. Mei had the reactions to use her arm to block a punch from a susanoo clone coming from her side while she was surrounded by four others (

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Zabuza gets in close range like you said and then Mei does this to him (

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). No hand seals were used because her arms were bound. All Mei has to do is breathe much like mask-less Hanzo.

Plus raiton Kage bunshin is a kage bunshin infused with lightining, so it's like the bunshins, weak AF and when it "explodes" it electrocutes. But anyways, they are certain types of clones that don't follow this rule, for example:

-Gaara's sand clone is in fact a bunch of sand moving, and won't dissapear for getting damage

-Hashirama's wood clone could still move and restrain juubito despite having half of his body taken away

But this rule doesn't aply to Zabuza's clone since one of them dissapeared by being stabbed by Kakashi and Sasuke.

Correct.

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which means it is a gas.

Hidden mist, however, is a

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I'm not even sure they will react to dilute the acid.

 

[EZQ]

Water + acid = acid because water is pH 7 and anything less than that is acidic.

Yes and let me correct you even more, water itself is considered an acid when it donates h+ (every time we could say). It being acid =/= being acid enough to hurt, when actually when we take a bath, we're bathing in acid. My point is that when water reacts to whatever compound makes Mei's water acid (probably is H30), it dilutes it. It gets less acidic.

To put it more simple (and in an horrendous way to science, but simple at the end) : You have a total of 50 acid things and put there 500 less acids things, they react and in an exchange of hydroniums, the 550 things are less acidic than the initial 50 things.
It seems you know about Chemistry anyways

Anyway what I meant was that the acid that is constantly emitted from Mei's mouth is going to be acidic until it reacts.

Yeah, which wouldn't be a lot of time.

There will always be some acid coming from her mouth which hasn't reacted yet.

You're suggesting Mei is gonna be the all fight delivering acid mist? She'll dry out, and she'll leave a lot of openings (for example she can't prepare the water counter) if she's constrantly delivering Acid to prevent Zabuza from getting closer. She has to stop to:

-Not dry her chakra to death
-Be able to be on guard

Also mist is basically spread out water particles much like acid mist. It's not like two concentrated liquids mixing together in a bottle. It will take much longer so don't even act that the reaction will only take a few seconds to dilute.

Sulphure Trioxide reacts with suspended water particles to produce sulphure acidic mist in the feet of volcanos. I agree that it's slower than in pure liquid form. But every water particle that gets in contact with acid mist particle would react, and Zabuza can make his mist very very thick, making the possibilities for each one of the acid mist particles to react faster. I had already tought of this anyways, Zabuza is not on a hurry here. He's safe as he's not near Mei, so he doesn't have any rush.

Anyway when acid meets water,

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Zabuza's mist making his silent killing useless.

1- You did make a very specific example. That happens when the acids are very concentrated. Such al Clorhidric or Sulfhidric acids. Mei can only control the PH (hydroniums) so this doesn't apply.

2- You do realize that the temperature this reaction must reach for the water to evaporate is 100 celcius? Considering the water particles are separated, reaching it is a little easier than with normal water, but is still too high to consider.

This is impossible and has never happened between H20 and another compound of H and O.

It keeps most of the acid mist away from Sasuke considering his skin wasn't melting unlike his ribcage, the walls (

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). Diluted mist still does similar damage to Zabuza it did to Sasuke.

1- I agree on Susano tanking most of the acid

2- However the acidic properties of the acid itself didn't change. The little acid that went trough, only did that damage to Sasuke and there were like 4 seconds of contact (if we take dialog as a parameter). So i don't agree at all that diluted mist does the same to Zabuza.
A little bit of non dilited acid still makes more damage than more of it but more dilited (and dispersed) since Mei can't control it, so by natural reasons it spreads and it mainly goes up.

Okay.

I meant Mei counters before the water reaches her and not before he launches his attack. Mei's jutsu execution speed is far above Zabuza's so I don't see why you're bringing up Zabuza not being able to intercept Kakashi's especially when Zabuza was being confused by Kakashi.

Bold: Yes i never suggested that Zabuza's attack would land. You said that Mei would recognize where it comes from and counter and hit Zabuza and that's why i said that Zabuza attacks and then moves.

Underlined: Zabuza will not make noise until the jutsu is prepared (hand seals + chakra gathering +etc...). The noise will start when the water forms the giant waterfall, and i added that scan to show how fast it forms so the time difference from the moment it starts making noise to the moment it's launched and Zabuza can change location is really short.

Kakashi would stomp a single Zabuza clone. Sasuke at that point in time was very weak. Kisame even at 30% has far more chakra than Neji as even Neji pointed out how much of a chakra beast he was. That lake he produced even at 30% is far superior to any of Zabuza's suiton feats. Raiton kage bunshin has 50% of Kakashi's chakra, not 10% like water clones. Dude your points here are pretty bad.

Yeah. Concede here. Zabuza does not need this since this is already adressed with the other points.

Next you say Mei can't react to Zabuza's suiton from mid range just because of hidden mist which doesn't block its sound

When did i say this? I said:
-She can't make the water counter fast enough to actually hit Zabuza in the position he launched the attack.

nor do Zabuza's water clones dispersing make a sound anywhere as great as a water dragon's movement.

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. Mei had the reactions to use her arm to block a punch from a susanoo clone coming from her side while she was surrounded by four others (

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Zabuza makes the clones and where they're already attacking Mei (they'd be fodder sacrifices) Zabuza makes the 18 handseals of water bortex (still no noise) the water is formed (just here the noise starts) and very fast the jutsu is launched and Zabuza has already changed location. Mei's suiton makes it in time and it clashes with Zabuza's.

Zabuza gets in close range like you said and then Mei does this to him (

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). No hand seals were used because her arms were bound. All Mei has to do is breathe much like mask-less Hanzo.

Assuming Zabuza doesn't use another clone feint here? Assuming Mei will react to Zabuza's sillent killing when she's blinded and not even Kakashi with sharingan pre-cog could react properly? If mei does that to a clone, Zabuza appears behind and slices her.

I never tought you'd argue Mei actually winning if Zabuza comes close. That's impossible.

Edit: Not to mention i already linked you databook that shows Bortex as a long ranged jutsu. Kakashi using it at med range doen't mean Zabuza needs to be at med range to use it.

Edit 2: And may i add mi consensum with DrProof, on an open location, even if the mist didn't dilute (if you want to argue it with the vapor typo, altough the chemical reaction would still be done) it would still be dispersed, and even more if we talk about vapor, so Zabuza going close to Mei with a clone as a distractor and finishing her trough the acid mist would not mean his death, since he has high pain tolerance and the concentration of acid this time would be a lot lower than with sasuke's. He can attack and get out of there with injuries but alive.

 

[EZQ]

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I'm not even sure they will react to dilute the acid.

Gas-liquid reactions are possible. And it's most likely a typo. If it was vapour, then it would instantly go up, in the case Mei used it against Sasuke, it stood close to the floor. The only way this would happen is that it's not a gas, and it's mist. The jutsu is related as Mist and also it's properties when showed in the manga, so it's most likely not vapor. If it is vapor:

1-Still reacts since the pressure would still be 1 atm (i can give you a lot of examples and i already named one)
2-It flies away, making this even easier. And it can only be used on enclosed locations, which i don't believe. This would be even worse for Mei.
Since specific gravity of vapour is less than that of air it rises up.

In other terms every molecule of vapour experiences enough bouyancy (v*rho*g) in a denser fluid (air)high enough to push them up.

And this decrease in density of vapour arises due to increase in separation between the molecules due to increasing temperature.

The databook transaltion is not exact, and when talking about Naruto jutsus, this kindof mistake could easely be made.

And if it's vapor, cool, even better lol.

 

[Zexion~]

Evaporating the mist would still block Mei's sight

 

[Icelerate]

Yes and let me correct you even more, water itself is considered an acid when it donates h+ (every time we could say). It being acid =/= being acid enough to hurt, when actually when we take a bath, we're bathing in acid. My point is that when water reacts to whatever compound makes Mei's water acid (probably is H30), it dilutes it. It gets less acidic.

Yeah but I fail to see how a diluted mist is something Zabuza can bare without making noise.

To put it more simple (and in an horrendous way to science, but simple at the end) : You have a total of 50 acid things and put there 500 less acids things, they react and in an exchange of hydroniums, the 550 things are less acidic than the initial 50 things.
It seems you know about Chemistry anyways

Yes but he's still exposed to an acidic mist which should still be harmful. If originally it was strong enough to melt stuff, it should still be strong enough to inflict corrosive burns.

Yeah, which wouldn't be a lot of time.

I thought reactions are slowed down when minute droplets of water and acid mix because they don't occupy the same position due to being very small. Therefore, if they mix, most of them won't be directly exposed to each other which would allow the acid to travel a fair distance before reacting and becoming less concentrated.

You're suggesting Mei is gonna be the all fight delivering acid mist? She'll dry out, and she'll leave a lot of openings (for example she can't prepare the water counter) if she's constrantly delivering Acid to prevent Zabuza from getting closer. She has to stop to:

-Not dry her chakra to death
-Be able to be on guard

Mei's chakra reserves are greater than Zabuza's. She produced water pillar without a water source which means the chakra in it came from her own chakra reserves. This is unlike Zabuza who uses chakra from the environment. Anyway that same water pillar is noticeably larger than Madara's katon which itself is larger than any suiton Zabuza's used. A split second later, Mei went on to use a water dragon. She doesn't show a single sign of exhaustion.

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without a water source is a kage level feat so I doubt Zabuza can do even that.

Sulphure Trioxide reacts with suspended water particles to produce sulphure acidic mist in the feet of volcanos. I agree that it's slower than in pure liquid form. But every water particle that gets in contact with acid mist particle would react, and Zabuza can make his mist very very thick, making the possibilities for each one of the acid mist particles to react faster. I had already tought of this anyways, Zabuza is not on a hurry here. He's safe as he's not near Mei, so he doesn't have any rush.

Zabuza's thick mist takes a lot of chakra (

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1- You did make a very specific example. That happens when the acids are very concentrated. Such al Clorhidric or Sulfhidric acids. Mei can only control the PH (hydroniums) so this doesn't apply.

Mei's acids are obviously very concentrated as they can melt all kinds of things such as susanoo, humans and walls.

2- You do realize that the temperature this reaction must reach for the water to evaporate is 100 celcius? Considering the water particles are separated, reaching it is a little easier than with normal water, but is still too high to consider.

This is impossible and has never happened between H20 and another compound of H and O.

How do you know that Mei's acid mist is another compound of H and O.

I never said it'd evaporate the mist. Simply blow some of it away with an explosion.

1- I agree on Susano tanking most of the acid

2- However the acidic properties of the acid itself didn't change. The little acid that went trough, only did that damage to Sasuke and there were like 4 seconds of contact (if we take dialog as a parameter). So i don't agree at all that diluted mist does the same to Zabuza.
A little bit of non dilited acid still makes more damage than more of it but more dilited (and dispersed) since Mei can't control it, so by natural reasons it spreads and it mainly goes up.

How do you know this? If Zabuza comes close, the acid won't have diluted or dispersed much.

Bold: Yes i never suggested that Zabuza's attack would land. You said that Mei would recognize where it comes from and counter and hit Zabuza and that's why i said that Zabuza attacks and then moves.

Underlined: Zabuza will not make noise until the jutsu is prepared (hand seals + chakra gathering +etc...). The noise will start when the water forms the giant waterfall, and i added that scan to show how fast it forms so the time difference from the moment it starts making noise to the moment it's launched and Zabuza can change location is really short.

Okay.

When did i say this? I said:
-She can't make the water counter fast enough to actually hit Zabuza in the position he launched the attack.

I agree that Zabuza would evade it by changing his position before Mei's fully forms.

Zabuza makes the clones and where they're already attacking Mei (they'd be fodder sacrifices) Zabuza makes the 18 handseals of water bortex (still no noise) the water is formed (just here the noise starts) and very fast the jutsu is launched and Zabuza has already changed location. Mei's suiton makes it in time and it clashes with Zabuza's.

Mei can use smaller suiton to conserve chakra and I'm sure her suiton chakra kneading abilities are more efficient than Zabuza's so she'll be wasting less chakra especially when she's not using suiton clones.

Assuming Zabuza doesn't use another clone feint here? Assuming Mei will react to Zabuza's sillent killing when she's blinded and not even Kakashi with sharingan pre-cog could react properly? If mei does that to a clone, Zabuza appears behind and slices her.

I never tought you'd argue Mei actually winning if Zabuza comes close. That's impossible.

Acid mist is most effective at point blank range as the scenario between Mei and Zetsu showed so I don't see how getting close is an auto win for Zabuza. According to you, Zabuza can swing his sword just fine right behind Mei despite the acid being most strongest so close to Mei. Kakashi had to fully dodge Zabuza's attack whereas all Mei has to do is breathe at him so not a fair comparison.

Edit: Not to mention i already linked you databook that shows Bortex as a long ranged jutsu. Kakashi using it at med range doen't mean Zabuza needs to be at med range to use it.

Mei can evade a long ranged attack. Also using suiton like that could clear up some hidden mist especially when he can't maintain mist the moment he's gathering chakra to use an offensive jutsu.

Edit 2: And may i add mi consensum with DrProof, on an open location, even if the mist didn't dilute (if you want to argue it with the vapor typo, altough the chemical reaction would still be done) it would still be dispersed, and even more if we talk about vapor, so Zabuza going close to Mei with a clone as a distractor and finishing her trough the acid mist would not mean his death, since he has high pain tolerance and the concentration of acid this time would be a lot lower than with sasuke's. He can attack and get out of there with injuries but alive.

See Zabuza won't be silent, at the very least, there will be a sizzling sound on his skin as he comes near Mei. Him having high pain tolerance doesn't mean he can perform silent killing while being under pain.

Gas-liquid reactions are possible. And it's most likely a typo. If it was vapour, then it would instantly go up, in the case Mei used it against Sasuke, it stood close to the floor. The only way this would happen is that it's not a gas, and it's mist. The jutsu is related as Mist and also it's properties when showed in the manga, so it's most likely not vapor. If it is vapor:

1-Still reacts since the pressure would still be 1 atm (i can give you a lot of examples and i already named one)
2-It flies away, making this even easier. And it can only be used on enclosed locations, which i don't believe. This would be even worse for Mei.
Since specific gravity of vapour is less than that of air it rises up.

In other terms every molecule of vapour experiences enough bouyancy (v*rho*g) in a denser fluid (air)high enough to push them up.

And this decrease in density of vapour arises due to increase in separation between the molecules due to increasing temperature.

The databook transaltion is not exact, and when talking about Naruto jutsus, this kindof mistake could easely be made.

And if it's vapor, cool, even better lol.

Okay I'll agree it was just like hidden mist except a different substance. After all it is called skilled mist which implies it is a mist of some sort.

 

[EZQ]

Yeah but I fail to see how a diluted mist is something Zabuza can bare without making noise.

Yes but he's still exposed to an acidic mist which should still be harmful. If originally it was strong enough to melt stuff, it should still be strong enough to inflict corrosive burns.

I thought reactions are slowed down when minute droplets of water and acid mix because they don't occupy the same position due to being very small. Therefore, if they mix, most of them won't be directly exposed to each other which would allow the acid to travel a fair distance before reacting and becoming less concentrated.

Mei's chakra reserves are much greater than Zabuza's. She produced water pillar without a water source which means the chakra in it came from her own chakra reserves. This is unlike Zabuza who uses chakra from the environment. Anyway that same water pillar is noticeably larger than Madara's katon which itself is larger than any suiton Zabuza's used. A split second later, Mei went on to use a water dragon. She doesn't show a single sign of exhaustion. On the other hand, Zabuza doesn't have the feats to prove he'd be capable of producing even one suiton as large as Mei's water pillar with his own chakra reserves or several smaller suiton which together would be of a larger quantity than Mei's water pillar.

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yet the EP2 Kakashi could only produce suiton of this level from his own reserves. Even ten of those wouldn't be on par with water pillar.

Zabuza's thick mist takes a lot of chakra (

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Mei's acids are obviously very concentrated as they can melt all kinds of things such as susanoo, humans and walls.

How do you know that Mei's acid mist is another compound of H and O.

I never said it'd evaporate the mist. Simply blow some of it away with an explosion.


How do you know this? If Zabuza comes close, the acid won't have diluted or dispersed much.

Okay.


I agree that Zabuza would evade it by changing his position before Mei's fully forms.

Mei can use smaller suiton to conserve chakra and I'm sure her suiton chakra kneading abilities are more efficient than Zabuza's so she'll be wasting less chakra especially when she's not using suiton clones.


Acid mist is most effective at point blank range as the scenario between Mei and Zetsu showed so I don't see how getting close is an auto win for Zabuza. According to you, Zabuza can swing his sword just fine right behind Mei despite the acid being most strongest so close to Mei. Kakashi had to fully dodge Zabuza's attack whereas all Mei has to do is breathe at him so not a fair comparison.

Mei can evade a long ranged attack. Also using suiton like that could clear up some hidden mist especially when he can't maintain mist the moment he's gathering chakra to use an offensive jutsu.

See Zabuza won't be silent, at the very least, there will be a sizzling sound on his skin as he comes near Mei. Him having high pain tolerance doesn't mean he can perform silent killing while being under pain.

Okay I'll agree it was just like hidden mist except a different substance. After all it is called skilled mist which implies it is a mist of some sort.

I hadn't seen you had replied. Lets leave it here lol. Nice arguments

I still thinks Zabuza wins with this conditions tho. Good debate. It's the only time we've debated i think

edit: i'll just add something about the chakra thing. I already posted a databook translation that says that the quantity of water used on these kind of jutsu is related to the skill of the user and not to the chakra. I disagree at mei having a lot more chakra than Zabuza just based on her suiton abilities. Zabuza does have a 4 or 4.5 in stamina and also his chakra is visible to others in the form of a demon (in part 1 it sounded like it was more like an image but when edo zabuza was brought back it was confirmed it was his chakra that took that form), and that chakra aura being released out of his body says something. I don't think mei has a lot more chakra than him.
Zabuza's and Kakashi's suiton are a lot smaller because Mei is simply a badass with water jutsus while Zabuza pales in comparision if we talk about ability.

Edit 2: and i know that mei mist is another compound of h and o because databook says mei controls the mist's PH which means the quantity of Hydroniums (H+). I don't think she can add sulphur or clorhidric substances since their concentration in a human body is extremely low plus the databook pretty much lets it clear

 

[Icelerate]

I hadn't seen you had replied. Lets leave it here lol. Nice arguments

I still thinks Zabuza wins with this conditions tho. Good debate. It's the only time we've debated i think

You too.

edit: i'll just add something about the chakra thing. I already posted a databook translation that says that the quantity of water used on these kind of jutsu is related to the skill of the user and not to the chakra. I disagree at mei having a lot more chakra than Zabuza just based on her suiton abilities. Zabuza does have a 4 or 4.5 in stamina and also his chakra is visible to others in the form of a demon (in part 1 it sounded like it was more like an image but when edo zabuza was brought back it was confirmed it was his chakra that took that form), and that chakra aura being released out of his body says something. I don't think mei has a lot more chakra than him.
Zabuza's and Kakashi's suiton are a lot smaller because Mei is simply a badass with water jutsus while Zabuza pales in comparision if we talk about ability.

Okay but all that water was produced with her chakra so she's used more chakra intensive techniques than Zabuza. Also she's on a higher level and is a more skilled ninjutsu user so her chakra control is bound to be better. Her chakra control being better means she's more efficient and hence will run out after Zabuza's. Also I meant to delete the part where I said Mei's chakra is much greater which I think is an incorrect exaggeration.

Edit 2: and i know that mei mist is another compound of h and o because databook says mei controls the mist's PH which means the quantity of Hydroniums (H+). I don't think she can add sulphur or clorhidric substances since their concentration in a human body is extremely low plus the databook pretty much lets it clear

You're assuming Mei's acid comes from her body and not chakra.

 

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Okay but all that water was produced with her chakra so she's used more chakra intensive techniques than Zabuza. Also she's on a higher level and is a more skilled ninjutsu user so her chakra control is bound to be better. Her chakra control being better means she's more efficient and hence will run out after Zabuza's. Also I meant to delete the part where I said Mei's chakra is much greater which I think is an incorrect exaggeration.

Ok

You're assuming Mei's acid comes from her body and not chakra.

Yeah you're right she could still use some of those things from the enviroment with her chakra. But that wouldn't be controling the PH it would be taking or expelling sulphurus (S-2) but anyways i don't think Kishi even tought it that far lol