[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo completely blocked the attack with his Hakified arm so it reduced the damage a good bit, still hurt him though. He never took a direct blow to the chest like Cracker did, Cracker was totally off guard with no time to even use Haki or even use Hakified enforcement on his shield because he thought the battle was already won. Not to mention Luffy was literally right by him and he instantly turned G4 and simultaneously landed a blow on him so Cracker had 0 time to react.

That ain't no direct blow at all because if it was Mingo would have been hit in his chest, he wasn't. He still had his hands up after being knocked back by KG indicating it wasn't a direct hit.

And Cracker blocked it with his Haki-fied shield, so they're even.

Cracker was not off-guard. The page before shows that while sitting on top of Luffy, he had his shield off to the side of his body. Meaning that if Luffy managed to sneak attack him while he was off-guard with a punch, he wouldn't have been able to hit the shield. The fact that the shield was shattered shows that Cracker had to have moved the shield into the path of Kong Gun. The fact that the same page that shows the positioning of the shield to the side shows Cracker reacting to Gear 4th in shock means he had more than enough time to see Luffy coming, which is further proof that he was able to move his shield to mitigate some of the damage.

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If Luffy instantly hit him or whatever BS you're trying to say, we wouldn't get that final panel on that page of him reacting to Gear 4th with shock. The fact that Luffy is saying "Gomu Gomu no" while Cracker looks directly at him in what appears to be fear means he saw the KG coming.

All indications point to Cracker trying to defend himself and failing, just like Doflamingo.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Everyone wants to talk about how gamma knife is overatted

But it was stated that doffy didnot heal himself he just stopped himself from dying


So with that being said it still affected him


Also don't u think a gear 4Th onslaught for that long period of time wouldn't affect his already damaged organs which could be why he was defending majority of the fight

I agree gear 4th is physically superior to doffy in terms of physical attack but it isn't in stamina as well as durability (doffy awakened strings was still able to puncture luffy)
And speed is debatable ...

I seriously don't c how ppl think that cracker is auto stronger when he has barely shown everything in his arsenal
And got knocked out by Kong gun when it took gamma knife Kong gun and King Kong gun to take out doffy (and 2 gear 4th time intervals)

Honestly I cannot wait till law uses gamma knife again against someone who is strong as **** but cannot heal like marshelly or somehow keep thier organs together like doffy did then we will c how fatal it is because ppl act as if gamma knife didn't do shit and I honestly don't understand it it is the most op move in my opinion that has been shown in this manga .... To install destory and burst all internal organs ppl need to take an anatomy class or something because

That is insane how they try to down play it....


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All of this is being attacked by once yet ppl think just because doffy stiched it up and was defending majority of the time afterwards that has weak as shit :|

 

[OG sama]

And Cracker blocked it with his Haki-fied shield, so they're even.

Cracker was not off-guard. The page before shows that while sitting on top of Luffy, he had his shield off to the side of his body. Meaning that if Luffy managed to sneak attack him while he was off-guard with a punch, he wouldn't have been able to hit the shield. The fact that the shield was shattered shows that Cracker had to have moved the shield into the path of Kong Gun. The fact that the same page that shows the positioning of the shield to the side shows Cracker reacting to Gear 4th in shock means he had more than enough time to see Luffy coming, which is further proof that he was able to move his shield to mitigate some of the damage.

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If Luffy instantly hit him or whatever BS you're trying to say, we wouldn't get that final panel on that page of him reacting to Gear 4th with shock. The fact that Luffy is saying "Gomu Gomu no" while Cracker looks directly at him in what appears to be fear means he saw the KG coming.

All indications point to Cracker trying to defend himself and failing, just like Doflamingo.

I read the chapter only once so I didn't quite remember what happened the page before. It does indicate he had some time to react but not plenty and definitely not as much as Mingo because Luffy was right up on him. This doesnt mean that Cracker knew how much power he needed to sufficiently guard against it. He went from dominating G2/G3 and easily defending against them to being overwhelmed.

Still doesn't change the fact that Mingo never took a direct blow, now that Crackers shields are gone he has no choice but to use some other way to defend those attacks, if he gets up that is. If he gets up it will be an even more impressive feat than Doflamingo because Cracker never used any hardening to defend against it, unlike Doflamingo.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I read the chapter only once so I didn't quite remember what happened the page before. It does indicate he had some time to react but not plenty and definitely not as much as Mingo because Luffy was right up on him. This doesnt mean that Cracker knew how much power he needed to sufficiently guard against it. He went from dominating G2/G3 and easily defending against them to being overwhelmed.

Still doesn't change the fact that Mingo never took a direct blow, now that Crackers shields are gone he has no choice but to use some other way to defend those attacks, if he gets up that is. If he gets up it will be an even more impressive feat than Doflamingo because Cracker never used any hardening to defend against it, unlike Doflamingo.

Quit the BS fam. Both men tried to defend with Haki, both men failed, both ended up on the ground dazed and slumped. Simple as that.

 

[OG sama]

Everyone wants to talk about how gamma knife is overatted

But it was stated that doffy didnot heal himself he just stopped himself from dying


So with that being said it still affected him


Also don't u think a gear 4Th onslaught for that long period of time wouldn't affect his already damaged organs which could be why he was defending majority of the fight

I agree gear 4th is physically superior to doffy in terms of physical attack but it isn't in stamina as well as durability (doffy awakened strings was still able to puncture luffy)
And speed is debatable ...

I seriously don't c how ppl think that cracker is auto stronger when he has barely shown everything in his arsenal
And got knocked out by Kong gun when it took gamma knife Kong gun and King Kong gun to take out doffy (and 2 gear 4th time intervals)

Honestly I cannot wait till law uses gamma knife again against someone who is strong as **** but cannot heal like marshelly or somehow keep thier organs together like doffy did then we will c how fatal it is because ppl act as if gamma knife didn't do shit and I honestly don't understand it it is the most op move in my opinion that has been shown in this manga .... To install destory and burst all internal organs ppl need to take an anatomy class or something because

That is insane how they try to down play it....


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All of this is being attacked by once yet ppl think just because doffy stiched it up and was defending majority of the time afterwards that has weak as shit :|

Cracker probably ain't done yet and Mingo never took a direct blow to the chest from KG, so how can this be proof Mingo is stronger? Convincing yourself Cracker is done for just goes to show how far you have Doflamingos D down your throat.

Doflamingo instantly stitched all that shit up, without the ability to stitch his organs he'd be dead, you act as if he didn't do anything about his injury.

Those awakened strings went right through a weakened and exhausted base Luffy and still didnt kill him. Those strings are doing little to no damage to G4 as already shown.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Those awakened strings went right through a weakened and exhausted base Luffy and still didnt kill him. Those strings are doing little to no damage to G4 as already shown.

If the strings wouldn't do any damage to Luffy, why'd he dodge them? Why did they gash his side? Why didn't he just tank them to get close to Doffy to finish him off? This makes no sense with the manga we have been given.

 

[Lawlermelon]

What other indications of power exists for Kuzan's ice?

What other indications? Where is the first indication? Thats the whole point... you cant base his power off of how far his ice travels on the floor. It's all interpretation and all opinion based. I would have no problem with your statement to begin with if you said "in my opinion his attack was stronger again DD than Jozu", but you talk as if it's fact, when its not. If anything, I could use the argument that his attack was stronger against Jozu because they were in a war and more serious and it would be more believable than what you said.

 

[Bogard]

As a reminder, i made a comparative post between fresh healthy Doflamingo taking a puny thing like red hawk comparatively to Cracker taking Kong Gun. And as a result, both groan in pain while receiving respective hits(except Kong Gun >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Red Hawk) and Doflamingo took a while just to get up from that red hawk

I made a long comparison while using healthy Doflamingo feats as comparison for a reason and result is that Cracker is vastly superior, as he should, yet the wankers still want to rely on their last hope(gamma knife bullshit )

 

[OG sama]

Quit the BS fam. Both men tried to defend with Haki, both men failed, both ended up on the ground dazed and slumped. Simple as that.

What BS? You telling me Crackers hardening, which we haven't even seen won't be stronger than the invisible one he was using to defend against G2/G3 attacks? It ain't as simple as that at all.

 

[Punk Hazard]

As a reminder, i made a comparative post between fresh healthy Doflamingo taking a puny thing like red hawk comparatively to Cracker taking Kong Gun. And as a result, both groan in pain while receiving respective hits(except Kong Gun >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Red Hawk) and Doflamingo took a while just to get up from that red hawk

I made a long comparison while using healthy Doflamingo feats as comparison for a reason and result is that Cracker is vastly superior, as he should, yet the wankers still want to rely on their last hope(gamma knife bullshit )

If we were to judge Doflamingo's strength based on an attack that hit him while he was off-guard, then we'd have to conclude that Zoro is inferior to the Yeti Cool Brothers because they managed to knock him out with cannons while he was off-guard.

Your post is flawed because it's based on the premise that Doflamingo is inferior for dodging attacks while Cracker blocks attacks. This thinking is faulty because dodging an attack is just as good as blocking it. Look what happened to Cracker when he tried to block Kong Gun: He ended up flat on his ass in a dazed mess. It would have been better for him to have dodged it. But for you, I guess dodging the Kong Gun would have made him look weaker than failing to block it because dodging is super bad, right?

It's also funny how you chose to ignore the panels I presented that showed Doflamingo and Cracker breaking Luffy's guard in identical ways, blocking Gear Third with identical lack of effort, and throwing an attack that Luffy dodged with identical sloppiness, both times he was in identical modes(Base).

 

[OG sama]

If the strings wouldn't do any damage to Luffy, why'd he dodge them? Why did they gash his side? Why didn't he just tank them to get close to Doffy to finish him off? This makes no sense with the manga we have been given.

You bring this up because what? I just explained why they aren't doing much damage, if they can't even kill a weakened base Luffy then they Aint doing nothing but minimal to no damage. Also G4 shitted on those strings with a heatbutt and KKG shitted on Mingos best attack, no damage was done to Luffys head or fist in the process. So he tanked them twice.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You bring this up because what? I just explained why they aren't doing much damage, if they can't even kill a weakened base Luffy then they Aint doing nothing but minimal to no damage. Also G4 shitted on those strings with a heatbutt and KKG shitted on Mingos best attack, no damage was done to Luffys head or fist in the process. So he tanked them twice.

Because it shows that you're wrong to say they can barely damage Luffy in Gear 4th. If that was the case, Luffy wouldn't have wasted 30 minutes to dodge them, he'd have just tanked them.

 

[OG sama]

Because it shows that you're wrong to say they can barely damage Luffy in Gear 4th. If that was the case, Luffy wouldn't have wasted 30 minutes to dodge them, he'd have just tanked them.

They are barely damaging him and for the third time I just told you why. They didn't even kill a weakened Base luffy for goodness sakes, I'm using actual manga proof here, what the hell are you going on about?

Mingo could trap Luffy in those strings causing G4 to time out. Just like he almost trapped G2 Luffy, BOOM. And I already told you about two manga panels showing G4 Shitting on those awakened strings yet you still don't let it go.

 

[Punk Hazard]

They are barely damaging him and for the third time I just told you why. They didn't even kill a weakened Base luffy for goodness sakes, I'm using actual manga proof here, what the hell are you going on about?

Doflamingo explicitly expressed he wanted to toy with Luffy while he hit him with those strings. He wasn't aiming to kill, simply to injure.

Mingo could trap Luffy in those strings causing G4 to time out. Just like he almost trapped G2 Luffy, BOOM. And I already told you about two manga panels showing G4 Shitting on those awakened strings yet you still don't let it go.

Luffy broke the strings by headputting the flat part of them, not the sharp side. KKG breaking the strings is legit, but that doesn't mean he'd be able to take a barrage of Off-White threads without being considerably injured. The fact that he opted to spend 30 minutes dodging them instead of tanking them shows he could not.

 

[OG sama]

Doflamingo explicitly expressed he wanted to toy with Luffy while he hit him with those strings. He wasn't aiming to kill, simply to injure.


Luffy broke the strings by headputting the flat part of them, not the sharp side. KKG breaking the strings is legit, but that doesn't mean he'd be able to take a barrage of Off-White threads without being considerably injured. The fact that he opted to spend 30 minutes dodging them instead of tanking them shows he could not.

He was already injured and exhausted, the attack went right through. Though I will admit, I assume if he was wanting to killed him he would aim for the head. Because if the string can go right his stomach and through him and not kill him that shows its not strong enough.

I agree though, a barrage would certainly hurt or kill G4 if he doesn't dodge. Now I believe you.

 

[A v i]

If one dodges an attack, then it, by default, becomes strong enough to inflect considerable damage to him?! So you're not allowed to dodge an attack unless it is warranted to cause significant damage? :yeah:

 

[chopstickchakra]

Agreed with your first paragraph but dont know what the hell your talking about in the second. I never used Crackers weight as an excuse at all. Sounds like you need to reread.

You mentioned Cracker not going as far back as Doffy who flew across DR. It was in your response to Riker I just didn't feel like double posting or re posting to also quote that one but you said

Mingo never took a direct hit from KG though and was still affected by the attack and was sent flying all across DR. Cracker on the other hand was completely throw off and took a direct blow to the chest, and still wasn't sent flying as far as DD who blocked it.

I was just mentioning that logically he wouldn't be sent as far back as someone significantly smaller than him would.

Doflamingo completely blocked the attack with his Hakified arm so it reduced the damage a good bit, still hurt him though. He never took a direct blow to the chest like Cracker did, Cracker was totally off guard with no time to even use Haki or even use Hakified enforcement on his shield because he thought the battle was already won. Not to mention Luffy was literally right by him and he instantly turned G4 and simultaneously landed a blow on him so Cracker had 0 time to react.

That ain't no direct blow at all because if it was Mingo would have been hit in his chest, he wasn't. He still had his hands up after being knocked back by KG indicating it wasn't a direct hit.

@bold idk that we can really claim that as a fact though can we? It may be true it may not we know he had one of(if not the) strongest armaments Luffy's faced and we know he was using it on his shield during the fight. I'd say it seems a little unlikely he'd have deactivated it while Luffy's still standing but that's just me, it is possible he did just that. I agree Cracker probably had less time to react though.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If one dodges an attack, then it, by default, becomes strong enough to inflect considerable damage to him?! So you're not allowed to dodge an attack unless it is warranted to cause significant damage? :yeah:

It doesn't matter. Whether you avoid damage through durability or evasion, you still avoided it. If Luffy can't defeat someone because his punches land and just won't hurt, and can't defeat another person because they're too fast for his punches to land, then they have similar capabilities, which is the true measure of strength.

 

[chopstickchakra]

And would somebody please care to explain to me how ABC logic started applying now? For arguments sake let's just say Cracker can put up a better fight against Luffy than Doffy did. Just because Cracker can fight against Luffy better than Doffy did does not mean he could beat Doffy by default. If that were the case Foxy could beat Enel because he gave Luffy a harder time in their fight.

 

[A v i]

It doesn't matter. Whether you avoid damage through durability or evasion, you still avoided it. If Luffy can't defeat someone because his punches land and just won't hurt, and can't defeat another person because they're too fast for his punches to land, then they have similar capabilities, which is the true measure of strength.

Basically, Luffy avoiding Mihawk's slash & not receiving any damage and Jozu blocking his attack and not sustaining any wounds are equally impressive feats in your opinion?

Btw, This is not what I was referring to in my quote.