Young Thug…

[Desiigner]

thats not the argument. I suggest rereading the Op.


I brought up thuggers producer cuz thats where his relevance comes from. Not him but the hot beats behind him, which is what the op is trying to deny by saying:

The argument isn't relevancy.
Lyrically both kendrick and drake are better. If you're gonna make the ghost argument then we can easily go to his early work that still proves he's the superior lyricist.

That may not be the argument, but that's points which Thugger did and these other rappers did not. Thugger influenced his genre with his flow. A lot of people are copying him.
Thugger is very relevant atm, unlike Lupe Fiasco.

And what early work from Drake are you talking about? Take Care? Which Weeknd almost entirely wrote? Just look it up if you don't believe me.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That may not be the argument, but that's points which Thugger did and these other rappers did not. Thugger influenced his genre with his flow. A lot of people are copying him.
Thugger is very relevant atm, unlike Lupe Fiasco.

again, not the point of the OP. His argument is that thugger is the greatest rapper alive due to lyrical skill.

The rappers i listed are better, Therefore he is incorrect.

And what early work from Drake are you talking about? Take Care? Which Weeknd almost entirely wrote? Just look it up if you don't believe me.

Weekend didn't write take care, nor is take care his early work. He just gave him beats (the ride , crew love, etc)

I'm talking So far gone, Comeback season, Thank Me now, all of which show drake lyrical chops.

 

[Desiigner]

again, not the point of the OP. His argument is that thugger is the greatest rapper alive due to lyrical skill.

The rappers i listed are better, Therefore he is incorrect.



Weekend didn't write take care, nor is take care his early work. He just gave him beats (the ride , crew love, etc)

I'm talking So far gone, Comeback season, Thank Me now, all of which show drake lyrical chops.

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Oh where does it say though that that's the only reason OP likes him? He says that people often overlook his lyrics, because he already brings that catchiness with him, which is in fact, an important skill when it comes to being a rapper.


Weeknd arguably gave half of his HOB songs to Drake and wrote Practice for him.
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I don't think that we'll come to a conclusion on here, though. In the end it's just music, which most of the people have their own taste for.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

I think you mean lupe fiasco
Or kendrick lama
Or Mf Doom
Or reluctantly cole
Or Gambino
Or Rocky


Tbh i can go on for a long period of time listing artists better than thug. Only reason he's relevant is due to his producer. Play him acapella and you'll realize he's trash.

But hey different strokes for different folkes.


Edit: Forgot to add, Even drake is better than thugger

I clearly said in my opinion.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Oh where does it say though that that's the only reason OP likes him? He says that people often overlook his lyrics, because he already brings that catchiness with him, which is in fact, an important skill when it comes to being a rapper.

Best believe he didn't say anything about relevancy but he did mention lyrical skill which i proved false.

Weeknd arguably gave half of his HOB songs to Drake and wrote Practice for him.
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Weekend says it was only the hook, you say entire song...

I don't think that we'll come to a conclusion on here, though. In the end it's just music, which most of the people have their own taste for.

Come to the conclusion that the ppl listed are more lyrical than thug? Naw we can come to that conclusion.

I clearly said in my opinion.

Spoiler

But hey different strokes for different folks.

let's not play dumb now.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Best believe he didn't say anything about relevancy but he did mention lyrical skill which i proved false.


Weekend says it was only the hook, you say entire song...


Come to the conclusion that the ppl listed are more lyrical than thug? Naw we can come to that conclusion.





let's not play dumb now.

But before that you tried to tell me who was "better" & the elements you tried to take away from Jeffery is plain silly. I forgot to mention, I group different types of rappers into different subgroups.

Essentially: Kendrick & J.Cole and similar style like rappers are in a different group than Young thug, Migos, etc.

Drake for instance would fit into a group with Chris brown & others. If you can understand. Regardless of that, thugger has held the favorite spot since SS 1, but you seem like the kind of guy who doesn't even pay attention to what he's saying so this convo is probably pointless.

 

[Desiigner]

But before that you tried to tell me who was "better" & the elements you tried to take away from Jeffery is plain silly. I forgot to mention, I group different types of rappers into different subgroups.

Essentially: Kendrick & J.Cole and similar style like rappers are in a different group than Young thug, Migos, etc.

Drake for instance would fit into a group with Chris brown & others. If you can understand. Regardless of that, thugger has held the favorite spot since SS 1, but you seem like the kind of guy who doesn't even pay attention to what he's saying so this convo is probably pointless.

I know what you mean.
We can't really compare trap/drill rappers like Young Thug, Future, Chief Keef to lyrical/vibe rappers like Kendrick, Cole or Chance for example.
Drake I think would be "pop" in a rap way or something like that. You can't really categorize him that good anymore. Anything he does becomes the new wave.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

I think you mean lupe fiasco
Or kendrick lama
Or Mf Doom
Or reluctantly cole
Or Gambino
Or Rocky


Tbh i can go on for a long period of time listing artists better than thug. Only reason he's relevant is due to his producer. Play him acapella and you'll realize he's trash.

But hey different strokes for different folkes.


Edit: Forgot to add, Even drake is better than thugger

Ah come the **** on, why compare young thug to people like mf doom? That's not fair lol compare him to someone from his caliber

Plus it was the ops opinion

 

[slimreaper]

tell me young thugs's verse on this isn't the shit

[video=youtube;OvCquPjH_Mk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvCquPjH_Mk[/video]

 

[DrProof]

This can't be serious. Young ******, and his Bae Gay homie Quan are the worst things to happen to rap.

Peep: Travis Scott, Logic, Kendrick, J.Cole, Old Drake, Old Wayne, Wu-Tang, King Push (Pusha T), Schoolboy Q, Chance the rapper, Asap rocky & ferg, i could go on forever.

Young Thug is shit.

 

[Illuminater]

This can't be serious. Young ******, and his Bae Gay homie Quan are the worst things to happen to rap.

Peep: Travis Scott, Logic, Kendrick, J.Cole, Old Drake, Old Wayne, Wu-Tang, King Push (Pusha T), Schoolboy Q, Chance the rapper, Asap rocky & ferg, i could go on forever.

Young Thug is shit.

Funny you say Travis Scott I mean Kanye West, I mean Rae Sremmurd, I mean Young Thug, scratch that he's actually future....I think! Get it? Because he rips off other artists all the time? At least young thug is original with his mumbling style of rapping. And he has at least 200+ different flows.

 

[DrProof]

Funny you say Travis Scott I mean Kanye West, I mean Rae Sremmurd, I mean Young Thug, scratch that he's actually future....I think! Get it? Because he rips off other artists all the time? At least young thug is original with his mumbling style of rapping. And he has at least 200+ different flows.

You realize there are no new rap styles, and flows correct? Deadass bruh, everything has been recycled in this world. Song titles, rapping flows, movies, fashion etc.

Literally the stupidest shit I've heard is someone copying someone else's style, because everything is recycled from the past generation. Smh

 

[kimb]

As much as I enjoy mumble rap, Jeffery is no where near being the greatest rapper of all time. Mumble rap will always sit at the back burner of the rap genre.

 

[Wolves]

This can't be serious. Young ******, and his Bae Gay homie Quan are the worst things to happen to rap.

Peep: Travis Scott, Logic, Kendrick, J.Cole, Old Drake, Old Wayne, Wu-Tang, King Push (Pusha T), Schoolboy Q, Chance the rapper, Asap rocky & ferg, i could go on forever.

Young Thug is shit.

You're a clown bro
That list lmfao

 

[BenjerminGaye]

But before that you tried to tell me who was "better" & the elements you tried to take away from Jeffery is plain silly. I forgot to mention, I group different types of rappers into different subgroups.

They are better. The reasons you listed Thug to be the greatest rapper alive was lyrical skill and "catchiness".

Your words not mine. The PPL i listed are more lyrically skilled than thug. Catchiness can be achieved with a poppin beat, I.e. his producer. Its why ppl like Bobby Shmurda can shut shit down. Cut he used a flame beat.

Essentially: Kendrick & J.Cole and similar style like rappers are in a different group than Young thug, Migos, etc.

There's no sub genre rap groups when it comes to greatest rapper alive. Don't play that crap now.

Drake for instance would fit into a group with Chris brown & others. If you can understand. Regardless of that, thugger has held the favorite spot since SS 1, but you seem like the kind of guy who doesn't even pay attention to what he's saying so this convo is probably pointless.

We could always compare 16's.

Ah come the **** on, why compare young thug to people like mf doom? That's not fair lol compare him to someone from his caliber

Plus it was the ops opinion

Opinions can be wrong. This right here:

"Young Thug Is currently the best rapper alive(in my opinion)"

Is an incorrect opinion. The fact that he believes it doesn't make it valid, cuz last i checked doom is still alive.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

They are better. The reasons you listed Thug to be the greatest rapper alive was lyrical skill and "catchiness".

Your words not mine. The PPL i listed are more lyrically skilled than thug. Catchiness can be achieved with a poppin beat, I.e. his producer. Its why ppl like Bobby Shmurda can shut shit down. Cut he used a flame beat.

There's no sub genre rap groups when it comes to greatest rapper alive. Don't play that crap now.



We could always compare 16's.













Opinions can be wrong. This right here:



Is an incorrect opinion. The fact that he believes it doesn't make it valid, cuz last i checked doom is still alive.

Music taste can't be wrong just as art(as in drawing) taste can't be wrong because there is specific measure for to what can be appreciated in music . Doom is pretty much better at every angle, but those angles dont matter to different pwople.

Like ok, he is a genius who has one of the most complex word plays ever, and can drop multi syllables like it's a piece cake, with various cultural references. But those elements wouldn't matter to some people, it's merely what's lit that they listen to

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Music taste can't be wrong just as art(as in drawing) taste can't be wrong because there is specific measure for to what can be appreciated in music . Doom is pretty much better at every angle, but those angles dont matter to different pwople.

Except in this case it does. The reasons he listed thug to be the best rapper are as follows in the bold:

Is currently the best rapper alive(in my opinion). Whether or not you agree with his wardrobe & lingo towards other men, he is currently on his shit. Though people claim they don't understand what he's saying alot of people are lying & the ones who actually can't comprehend aren't actually trying nor are they used to his music.

He constantly drops double & triple entendres & people seem to disregard his lyrical talent instead listening due to his songs' catchiness. Either way he's currently who I bump the most(daily basis) and though there are a few songs of his I don't like, for the most part he keeps me entertained and busy trying to memorize the lyrics.

those aren't subjective scales of measurement but objective ones. We can in fact measure compare and and count how each rapper uses literary devices on a regular basis. In fact there are websites dedicated to this very thing.

Like ok, he is a genius who has one of the most complex word plays ever, and can drop multi syllables like it's a piece cake, with various cultural references. But those elements wouldn't matter to some people, it's merely what's lit that they listen to

Like i get it, he likes thug, i have nothing against that. But to say he's better is simply false. Especially for the reasons given.

It's the equivalent of me saying drakes the best of all time or the best alive.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Except in this case it does. The reasons he listed thug to be the best rapper are as follows in the bold:



those aren't subjective scales of measurement but objective ones. We can in fact measure compare and and count how each rapper uses literary devices on a regular basis. In fact there are websites dedicated to this very thing.




Like i get it, he likes thug, i have nothing against that. But to say he's better is simply false. Especially for the reasons given.

It's the equivalent of me saying drakes the best of all time or the best alive.

He never gave objective measures, he simply stated that thugs lyrical talent is overlooked due to his songs cathiness, never about he's the best in thag area. Furthermore it is undeniable that whenever he drops shit it usually does good(which is I guess what he means by "entendres".)Catchiness is compelety subjective, I dont see why you bolded it to prove the existence of an objective measuresl.

If he means entenders as in literature entenders, then he is obviously wrong and horribly wrong at that

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He never gave objective measures, he simply stated that thugs lyrical talent is overlooked due to his songs cathiness, never about he's the best in thag area. Furthermore it is undeniable that whenever he drops shit it usually does good(which is I guess what he means by "entendres".)Catchiness is compelety subjective, I dont see why you bolded it to prove the existence of an objective measuresl.

If he means entenders as in literature entenders, then he is obviously wrong and horribly wrong at that

Ok catchiness is subjective, so i'll take it back. But the rest is purely objective, or i should say are things that can be looked at from an objective standpoint.

I don't think anyone uses the term 'double entende' if they aren't referring to that literary device.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

They are better. The reasons you listed Thug to be the greatest rapper alive was lyrical skill and "catchiness".

Your words not mine. The PPL i listed are more lyrically skilled than thug. Catchiness can be achieved with a poppin beat, I.e. his producer. Its why ppl like Bobby Shmurda can shut shit down. Cut he used a flame beat.



There's no sub genre rap groups when it comes to greatest rapper alive. Don't play that crap now.



We could always compare 16's.













Opinions can be wrong. This right here:



Is an incorrect opinion. The fact that he believes it doesn't make it valid, cuz last i checked doom is still alive.

Factually there is no "best" rapper alive … excepth Thuggerrr :elmo: