#Jinchuriki

[Darth AniCetuS]

So according to genius level intelligence, Naruto without Kurama inside him, would be much stronger than Naruto with Kurama inside him, that heals him, gives him a huge ps sized avatar and the ability to to blow mountains? And he would be stronger than Hashirama who's able to do more than that?

And he calls me a fap. :lol:

Well I guess Sasuke without the MS is stronger than MS Sasuke because ms made his eyes hurt a little and gave him a blurry vision. :Sparks:

Again you misunderstand my point, all I said that we never got to see Naruto's true potential without Kurama because Kurama was sealed inside him from the begining but Naruto still didn't give up and turned that disadvantage into a major advantage for himself when he befriended Kurama.
But as usual sausage faps are missing the point here.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Again you misunderstand my point, all I said that we never got to see Naruto's true potential without Kurama because Kurama was sealed inside him from the begining but Naruto still didn't give up and turned that disadvantage into a major advantage for himself when he befriended Kurama.
But as usual sausage faps are missing the point here.

There's no point here, Naruto's only disadvantage is his low chakra control, something that is so irrelevant in battle when all of Naruto's techniques do not rely on it, compared to super healing and a surge of strong chakra, 2 things Naruto clearly lacks. :bdpf:

That's why I'm using the small example of non MS Sasuke compared to MS Sasuke, just because his vision became more blurry and his chakra burns faster, doesn't cover the huge power difference between the two. :lol:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

There's no point here, Naruto's only disadvantage is his low chakra control, something that is so irrelevant in battle when all of Naruto's techniques do not rely on it, compared to super healing and a surge of strong chakra, 2 things Naruto clearly lacks. :bdpf:

That's why I'm using the small example of non MS Sasuke compared to MS Sasuke, just because his vision became more blurry and his chakra burns faster, doesn't cover the huge power difference between the two. :lol:

Lol every jutsu depends on how good is your chakra control. The better your chakra control the more efficiently you can you a technique. Not to mention without having Kurama to deal with Naruto would have had a perfect fusion sage mode with Maa and Paa with almost unlimited supply of NE and no restrictions on how many shadow clones he can use in battle while in SM. Plus his SM training was new, who knows how far he could've taken it overtime.
While Sasuke without getting Itachi's eyes would've gone blind for sure eventually.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Lol every jutsu depends on how good is your chakra control. The better your chakra control the more efficiently you can you a technique. Not to mention without having Kurama to deal with Naruto would have had a perfect fusion sage mode with Maa and Paa with almost unlimited supply of NE and no restrictions on how many shadow clones he can use in battle while in SM. Plus his SM training was new, who knows how far he could've taken it overtime.
While Sasuke without getting Itachi's eyes would've gone blind for sure eventually.

You are thinking too far ahead in the future pal.:sdo:

You need to think up of a way Naruto would survive to that point without the kyuubi's healing and a ma and pa fusion<<<<<<<<<<<Kyuubi chakra :lol

Besides, you bringing Sasuke needing Itachi's eyes is irrelevant cuz unlike Kurama, Itachi's eyes are within Sasuke's potential and reach as it's the same as inheriting a ninja tool :bdpf:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

You are thinking too far ahead in the future pal.:sdo:

You need to think up of a way Naruto would survive to that point without the kyuubi's healing and a ma and pa fusion<<<<<<<<<<<Kyuubi chakra :lol

Besides, you bringing Sasuke needing Itachi's eyes is irrelevant cuz unlike Kurama, Itachi's eyes are within Sasuke's potential and reach as it's the same as inheriting a ninja tool :bdpf:

So tell me why do you think he won't survive? Plus if we'retalking about potential then Naruto earned Kurama's true power, same can't be said about Sasuke Itachi's eyes were handed to Sasuke and Sasuke without Obito, Sasuke doesn't even know how to implant the eyes.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

So tell me why do you think he won't survive? Plus if we'retalking about potential then Naruto earned Kurama's true power, same can't be said about Sasuke Itachi's eyes were handed to Sasuke and Sasuke without Obito, Sasuke doesn't even know how to implant the eyes.

Sasuke having obito transplant his eyes isn't even comparable to the help Naruto received against kurama from bee and kushina:bdpf:

you're trying so hard to downplay Sasuke here. :bdpf:

Naruto doesn't know how to seal a tailed beast inside him either nor did he earn KCM without Bee's and Kushina's help:lol

And while I agree that Naruto using Kurama's chakra in KCM is completely justified as he uses his own chakra in order to use kurama's and he beat kurama to be able to do that(despite getting help but that's irrelevant now) Kurama's cooperation isn't within his potential. :Sparks:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Sasuke having obito transplant his eyes isn't even comparable to the help Naruto received against kurama from bee and kushina:bdpf:

you're trying so hard to downplay Sasuke here. :bdpf:

Naruto doesn't know how to seal a tailed beast inside him either nor did he earn KCM without Bee's and Kushina's help:lol

And while I agree that Naruto using Kurama's chakra in KCM is completely justified as he uses his own chakra in order to use kurama's and he beat kurama to be able to do that(despite getting help but that's irrelevant now) Kurama's cooperation isn't within his potential. :Sparks:

Sure Bee and Kushina helped Naruto but Naruto defeated Kurama by himself and put Hago's seal on Kurama to gain KCM. He got help but Sasuke needed Obito to implant Itachi's eyes cuz he doesn't know how to do it himself. Naruto got help but gained hte KCM by himself while without Obito's help Sasuke would be blind already.
Coming to Kurama's cooperation, Naruto gained his respect and cooperation all by himself including the cooperation of the other bijuus and Naruto has worked on gaining that trust and power.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Sure Bee and Kushina helped Naruto but Naruto defeated Kurama by himself and put Hago's seal on Kurama to gain KCM. He got help but Sasuke needed Obito to implant Itachi's eyes cuz he doesn't know how to do it himself. Naruto got help but gained hte KCM by himself while without Obito's help Sasuke would be blind already.
Coming to Kurama's cooperation, Naruto gained his respect and cooperation all by himself including the cooperation of the other bijuus and Naruto has worked on gaining that trust and power.

Irrelevant as Naruto didn't know how to use Kurama's chakra in the first place without Bee's instructions and cooperation later on against kurama and with Kushina's help as well, that's notmentioning that it's Minato's seal is responsible for everything kurama related in the first place:lol

And for the record Sasuke gained the respect Jugo, Karin and suigetsu, that still doesn't justify him using their powers in one on one battles. :sdo:

Anyways, it doesn't seem that your going to respond to logic and this is getting repetitive so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Irrelevant as Naruto didn't know how to use Kurama's chakra in the first place without Bee's instructions and cooperation later on against kurama and with Kushina's help as well, that's notmentioning that it's Minato's seal is responsible for everything kurama related in the first place:lol

And for the record Sasuke gained the respect Jugo, Karin and suigetsu, that still doesn't justify him using their powers in one on one battles. :sdo:

Anyways, it doesn't seem that your going to respond to logic and I'm kinda bored so I'll just leave it at that.

Lmao Sasuke fans talking about logic is funny. So let me say just one more thing, Sasuke without Itachi's mercy over and over again would be long dead. And naruto gained respect of the entire village so don't bring in the respect of a few ninjas.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Lmao Sasuke fans talking about logic is funny. So let me say just one more thing, Sasuke without Itachi's mercy over and over again would be long dead. And naruto gained respect of the entire village so don't bring in the respect of a few ninjas.

Obito's mercy for Naruto is also one if the reasons he didn't teleport to konoha again and kidnap him after Minato's death. :sdo:

And by your logic, Minato's and Kushina's sacrifices to save Nardo should be counted as mercy as well

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Obito's mercy for Naruto is also one if the reasons he didn't teleport to konoha again and kidnap him after Minato's death. :sdo:

Ane by your logic, Minato's mercy and Kushina's should be counted as well for sacrifing their lives to save Nardo

Lmao Obito won't be interested in Naruto, aren't we discussing Naruto without Kurama. Now you're considering Naruto with Kurama. I like how Sasuke fans loose sight of the actual discussion and start pouting nonsense whenever they don't have anything to counter argument...

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Lmao Obito won't be interested in Naruto, aren't we discussing Naruto without Kurama. Now you're considering Naruto with Kurama. I like how Sasuke fans loose sight of the actual discussion and start pouting nonsense whenever they don't have anything to counter argument...

Naruto without Kurama = No Kurama leaving kushina = No Uchiha being accused of Kurama's rampage = No Uchiha hatred = No Uchiha masacare =no itachi sparing Sasuke :sdo:

I like how nardo faps only look Naruto's side of the story. :lol

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Naruto without Kurama = No Kurama leaving kushina = No Uchiha being accused of Kurama's rampage = No Uchiha hatred = No Uchiha masacare =no itachi sparing Sasuke :sdo:

I like how nardo faps only look Naruto's side of the story. :lol

I knwe you'd say that...xd
But the uchiha butthurt would've lead to their attempts at coup one way or the other and if the Kurama incident didn't happen, all it would change is delay the inevitable. But at least Naruto would have his family alive with Minato and Kushina alive to train Naruto personally.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

I knwe you'd say that...xd
But the uchiha butthurt would've lead to their attempts at coup one way or the other and if the Kurama incident didn't happen, all it would change is delay the inevitable. But at least Naruto would have his family alive with Minato and Kushina alive to train Naruto personally.

The Uchiha "butthurt" only surfaced because of Kurama so your argument is invalid. :lol

And Minato and kushina training Naruto is irrelevant when Sasuke has Itachi and parents his side, genjutsu GG. :Sparks:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

The Uchiha "butthurt" only surfaced because of Kurama so your argument is invalid. :lol

And Minato and kushina training Naruto is irrelevant when Sasuke has Itachi and parents his side, genjutsu GG. :Sparks:

Bro, read the manga. Danzo was trying to corner them anyway and the uchihas would've gotten butthurt one way or the other. And the way you're trying to defend the uchihas is funny..... Arguing with you is always fun lol.

 

[super michael]

Again you misunderstand my point, all I said that we never got to see Naruto's true potential without Kurama because Kurama was sealed inside him from the begining but Naruto still didn't give up and turned that disadvantage into a major advantage for himself when he befriended Kurama.
But as usual sausage faps are missing the point here.

I think I may understand what you mean, if I am wrong let me know.

We know when Naruto was training to do Rasenshuriken, Naruto normal chakra is 2x as much as Kakashi, while with Kurama chakra is 100x

Now your theory is if Naruto didn't have Kurama since he was a baby, Naruto own chakra would be more than 2x Kakashi chakra right?

From what we see a Jinchuuriki losing their Bijuu doesn't weaken them, Gaara doesn't seem to have weakened by losing Shukaku, although he hasn't destroy body transformation of sand.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I think I may understand what you mean, if I am wrong let me know.

We know when Naruto was training to do Rasenshuriken, Naruto normal chakra is 2x as much as Kakashi, while with Kurama chakra is 100x

Now your theory is if Naruto didn't have Kurama since he was a baby, Naruto own chakra would be more than 2x Kakashi chakra right?

From what we see a Jinchuuriki losing their Bijuu doesn't weaken them, Gaara doesn't seem to have weakened by losing Shukaku, although he hasn't destroy body transformation of sand.

What I meant was that Kurama was sealed inside Naruto's body and a part of Naruto's chakra was being wasted into suppressing the uncooperative Kurama most of the time. If Kurama wasn't sealed inside Naruto then his own chakra reserves would've been even greater due to him not having to waste his chakra on suppressing Kurama. Ofc that handicap was gone when Naruto earned Kurama's power by befriending him.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

What I meant was that Kurama was sealed inside Naruto's body and a part of Naruto's chakra was being wasted into suppressing the uncooperative Kurama most of the time. If Kurama wasn't sealed inside Naruto then his own chakra reserves would've been even greater due to him not having to waste his chakra on suppressing Kurama. Ofc that handicap was gone when Naruto earned Kurama's power by befriending him.

You're wasting your time

 

[Styles]

I think I may understand what you mean, if I am wrong let me know.

We know when Naruto was training to do Rasenshuriken, Naruto normal chakra is 2x as much as Kakashi, while with Kurama chakra is 100x

Now your theory is if Naruto didn't have Kurama since he was a baby, Naruto own chakra would be more than 2x Kakashi chakra right?

From what we see a Jinchuuriki losing their Bijuu doesn't weaken them, Gaara doesn't seem to have weakened by losing Shukaku, although he hasn't destroy body transformation of sand.

Probably so and so because even as a baby Kurama's chakra was leaking and mixing with Naruto's. So if he never had kurama we don't know if his reserves would be 2x Kakashi's still. Without kurama he probably would just have strong chakra like Kushina did.