I don't believe that because zoro one shotted Kaku but took a long time to get there just like pica the proccess is absolutely neccessary Oda didn't make him fight for hours for no reason. That would mean zoro could've just used Ashura to one shot Kaku at the beginning of the fight and chose to take all that damage it would make no senseLiterally I still don't know why Oda made it so long...Zoro could have used haki way before...but hey if Zoro took out Pica so soon the plot wouldn't be as interesting as it waswouldn't be fun just seeing Zoro rekting people right left and center this isn't Fairy Tail and Natsu one shoting people LOL
[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?
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Technically Sanji lost and Law came to rescue him
On the other hand Zoro defeated Pika.Kizaru didnot join marine wit Akainu. He joined 27years before the series started.
Akainu is Fleet admiral now. He is not in same tier as Kizaru is currently. If i remember properly in film Z, Zephyr said to Kizaru not to depend too much on your df powers also shows he has stopped using his haki and Mihawk is consider as yonko lvl guy as he clashed wit Yonko shanks.
WB lost his prime era. its not even debatable. He was unable to perform Conqueror haki and said Luffy thanks when he used Conqueror haki at MF. WSM armament haki didnot stopped Akainu's Lava punch but Shanks easily stopped that at MF wit one hand.
Kizaru's age is 58. By the time OPends which is like 2 or more years he will be 60+ thus he will lose his prime era and will be most likely the weakest admiral.
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Sanji lost to doffy yes so did law and so did luffy one on one doffy beats them all zoro is certainly no exception if he is then zoro is stronger then luffy and we all no that's not the case. Lmao when did your prime become your 50s. Age means nothing when a 73 year old man can stop an enormous ship with one hand ie whitebeard. Akainu having a higher title means he isn't in the same tier all that's changed about akainu is where his seat is in the marines garp was a vice admiral sengoku was an admiral but garp was the only man beside whitebeard who could match gold Rogers equally your title in the marines shows how Powerful you are no it comes down to the person. Vice admiral vergo was stronger then vice admiral smoker. But since they are vice admirals they are on equal tiers in your eyes so smoker is as strong as garp. By your knowledge that isTechnically Sanji lost and Law came to rescue him
Kizaru didnot join marine wit Akainu. He joined 27years before the series started.
Akainu is Fleet admiral now. He is not in same tier as Kizaru is currently. If i remember properly in film Z, Zephyr said to Kizaru not to depend too much on your df powers also shows he has stopped using his haki and Mihawk is consider as yonko lvl guy as he clashed wit Yonko shanks.
WB lost his prime era. its not even debatable. He was unable to perform Conqueror haki and said Luffy thanks when he used Conqueror haki at MF. WSM armament haki didnot stopped Akainu's Lava punch but Shanks easily stopped that at MF wit one hand.
Kizaru's age is 58. By the time OPends which is like 2 or more years he will be 60+ thus he will lose his prime era and will be most likely the weakest admiral.
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I m not talking about Doffy, I was talking about Vergo. Sanji was defeated by Vergo at PH. whereas Zoro defeated Pika low-mid diff.
Age does effect user body in mangaverse as shown when Whitebeard was unable to perform Conqueror haki and luffy did that at MF.
[video=youtube;tvFXstU1JSQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvFXstU1JSQ[/video]
Yes Akainu now take orders directly from Gorosei whereas same cannot be said for Kizaru
Shiki also once clashed with Roger, Garp, Sengoku. later when he lost his prime he was defeated by Luffy at Strong world.
Your examples are really bad. Doffy and Croco both were Shichibukai but we can clearly say Doffy was high shichibukai lvl guy whereas Croco at best will be mid shichibukai lvl. thus Doffy > Croco but since they both are pirates and there is another lvl after shichibukai ie Yonko lvl then it is obvious that guys like Kaido, BB, BM, Shanks, WB are most like greater than Doffy or Crocodile. same way wit Admirals and VA.
Ok lets not change the subject and go back to the topic: Zoro is VC or not.
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Sanji never lost to vergo. Doffy lost to luffy because he was knocked unconcious he wasn't able to fight anymore when was sanji ever in a situation like that against vergo.I m not talking about Doffy, I was talking about Vergo. Sanji was defeated by Vergo at PH. whereas Zoro defeated Pika low-mid diff.
Age does effect user body in mangaverse as shown when Whitebeard was unable to perform Conqueror haki and luffy did that at MF.
Yes Akainu now take orders directly from Gorosei whereas same cannot be said for Kizaru
Shiki also once clashed with Roger, Garp, Sengoku. later when he lost his prime he was defeated by Luffy at Strong world.
Your examples are really bad. Doffy and Croco both were Shichibukai but we can clearly say Doffy was high shichibukai lvl guy whereas Croco at best will be mid shichibukai lvl. thus Doffy > Croco but since they both are pirates and there is another lvl after shichibukai ie Yonko lvl then it is obvious that guys like Kaido, BB, BM, Shanks, WB are most like greater than Doffy or Crocodile. same way wit Admirals and VA.
Ok lets not change the subject and go back to the topic: Zoro is VC or not.
Whitebeard was unable to use conquers Haki because his wound he got started acting up he started coughing up blood smh that had nothing to do with old age
So what akainu take orders from the gorosei cp0 take their orders directly from the celestial dragons so by that logic rob lucci is stronger then Akainu.
And you've got it wrong the only men able to ever fight equally with Rogers is whitebeard and garp Shiki was never stated to ever be able to fight Rogers equally and luffy defeating Shiki isn't canon so why would any of us care about that when in relation to the actual story
And when Mihawk met shanks and his crew on that island shanks asked Mihawk if he was looking for a duel Mihawk says he has no interested in dueling a one armed man. Shanks lost his arm at 27 which means Mihawk dueled shanks before he lost his arm. Shanks is now 39 there is no reason to believe that Mihawk is equal to shanks from events that happened more then 12 years ago when we don't even know what shanks power level was at those times. That like saying since buggy once could clash with luffy he still is no because luffy's progression has reached a point where he could over power the likes of doffy for a little while and we all know buggy can't do that for half a second.
Back to the point no zoro is not vice captain because the SH crew doesn't operate like that but if they did it would be like the buggy pirates where the second in command would be 2 people I.e. Both zoro and Sanji equally.
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(Using Riker logic): Sabo gave the vivre card to Zoro because he's the 2nd most popular SH amongst the fans.
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So why did Sabo give Zoro the vivre card if Zoro isn't at least the de facto (unofficial) first mate?
Let me clear this all up for you guys zoro was right next to the door robin was in the back of the room as sabo was about to walk out he said oh yea implying that last minute he remembered he made a vivre card and gave it to the person closest to him he didn't go out of his way to hand zoro the vivre card he was sitting next to the door. Sabo never gave zoro his vivre card he gave zoro a vivre card of luffy not of himself it was of luffy so he handed it to a member of luffy's crew if he would had remembered when he was sitting on the bed he would've given it to usopp. If it was his personal vivre card he would have handed it to robin because he know her personally and she would know the importance of that vivre card remaining safe. Sabo is a revolutionary he wouldn't hand out something that could lead people to him or dragon. Sabo took a piece of luffy's vivre card so if luffy ever needed his help he could go to luffy immediately. Stop trying to make zoro seem extra special. Lmao I could understand if zoro was sitting at the back of the room where robin was sitting and sabo got near the door and cut all the way back and passed everybody to give the vivre card to zoro but he didn't he was on his way out and zoro was right next to the door that's all. Manga chapter 794 page 14 go see for yourself it's really that simple
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Lmfao this makes Riker's "because he is the most popular" comment look like a good excuse.
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Because that's who was closest to him as he was leaving the room. RJ is right. Sabo going "Oh yeah" indicates he remembered it at the last second, by which time he was already near the door, by which time Zoro was the closest to him.
That's why his face is on the cartoon boxes. That statement was in regards to NOTHING more.
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if the fight continued Sanji would have lost to Vergo.
Vergo already fractured Sanji's leg in this scene,after that he went for Law who was in that lab.
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one doesn't has to become unconcious to declared as loser.
For ex: Magelland lost against ID Prisoners because they escaped and he couldnot stop them.
WB crew lost to Marines because they lost their captain and 2nd commander in battle of the best
Shiki lost to Roger but he escaped from that battle wit injuries etc.
wrong haki does have a relationship wit age. Here are few examples were injured guys used Conqueror haki:
1)Luffy was seriously injured at Impel down by Magellan and he still used Conqueror haki when Mr.2 was fighting against those wolves
[video=youtube;_7Z77qIvqd8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Z77qIvqd8[/video]
2)Shanks saving Luffy despite losing an arm
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Cipher pol is different organisation. It has nothing to do wit Marines so this point is moot
Shiki challenged Roger at Edd war. the only reason Roger survived because shiki was injured and storm destroyed Shiki's fleet.
He later challenged both Sengoku and Garp at MF where he ultimately lost.
It doesnot matter strong world is canon or not. Oda did helped in that movie and that is the last time we are going to see shiki again.
did u forgot Mihawk is 'World Greatest/strongest Swordsman' and Shanks is also a swordsman. In swordsmanship Mihawk> Shanks. and u think Mihawk isn't admiral lvl???
U are seriously comparing Buggy wit Mihawk lmao...
why Buggy pirates???
SHs are nothing like Buggy pirates. There captain is not coward like Buggy. Luffy's crew is not weak like buggy's crew.
the only crew SHs can be compared wit will be WBs crew.
like Wb Luffy was ready to declare war on WG because they were going to execute one of the crew member.
both captains had no interest in treasures
both crew were ready to sacrifice themselves for their captain
Luffy now has commanders and armies like WB crew had.
if luffy's crew is like WB's crew then there is definately a hierarchy in SHs too.
wait because sanji leg bone got cracked and he was still fighting vergo he would have lost smh. Sanji was beaten half to death by Khalifia and still managed to defeat Jabra convincingly but because his leg bone was cracked that implied that he would've lost the fight. Stop trying to force things that never happened sanji never lost to vergo and him being hurt means nothing when he's clearly been in worse situations.
Your saying that cp0 is a different organization so what you words were that Akainu takes his order from a higher power then kizaru so he is strong that was the point so I named a person who takes their orders from an even higher power so my point is absolutely valid. If you can't dispute it just except defeat don't try and skip the point.
Shiki had a large armada that is what made him formidable his fleet was 51 divisions. I will repeat the only men to ever fight Rodgers equally one on one are garp and whitebeard never once in the history of one piece that is was stated that Shiki could match roger in a fight. Your making it seem that because Shiki challenged roger on the sea 1 ship vs a 51 fleet crew he could clash with Rogers one on one. Please show me once where is was stated that Shiki could match roger in a fight because it's been said about garp and whitebeard never Shiki. And again luffy vs Shiki isn't canon so it means nothing to the overall story.
It's sad where have I ever said I don't believe Mihawk is admiral level smh. I clearly stated that shanks and Mihawk dueled more the 12 years ago what would make you think that their power levels would be the same from 12 years ago when we don't even know the out come of the duels nor what there power levels were at the time or if Mihawk already had that title. You want to place Mihawk up there with one of the 4 most powerful powerful pirates a man who has clashed with whitebeard and Kaidou without a scratch. Literally makes no sense.
Your honestly sad yet again you missed the point I tried to show you how over a time frame how power levels could change drastically how at one point buggy and luffy was an actual match but now it wouldn't last a nanosecond and that just over 2 years where as Mihawk and shanks haven't clashed in more then 12 years. Don't ignore the points
Luffy and buggy's crew share multiple similarities luffy has always had 3 powerhouses where as buggy did they have a family vibe with one another and unquestionable loyalty shown when Buffy's crew had been trying to break buggy out of impel down since he got captured. Luffy does like treasure he's actually going for the one piece what are you talking about lmao. buggy has a large army himself and has to guys who are deemed equal just as luffy does. Whitebeard has a father and son relationship with his crew luffy doesn't and doesn't have that kind of relationship with his armada and nor does buggy.
Your saying that cp0 is a different organization so what you words were that Akainu takes his order from a higher power then kizaru so he is strong that was the point so I named a person who takes their orders from an even higher power so my point is absolutely valid. If you can't dispute it just except defeat don't try and skip the point.
Shiki had a large armada that is what made him formidable his fleet was 51 divisions. I will repeat the only men to ever fight Rodgers equally one on one are garp and whitebeard never once in the history of one piece that is was stated that Shiki could match roger in a fight. Your making it seem that because Shiki challenged roger on the sea 1 ship vs a 51 fleet crew he could clash with Rogers one on one. Please show me once where is was stated that Shiki could match roger in a fight because it's been said about garp and whitebeard never Shiki. And again luffy vs Shiki isn't canon so it means nothing to the overall story.
It's sad where have I ever said I don't believe Mihawk is admiral level smh. I clearly stated that shanks and Mihawk dueled more the 12 years ago what would make you think that their power levels would be the same from 12 years ago when we don't even know the out come of the duels nor what there power levels were at the time or if Mihawk already had that title. You want to place Mihawk up there with one of the 4 most powerful powerful pirates a man who has clashed with whitebeard and Kaidou without a scratch. Literally makes no sense.
Your honestly sad yet again you missed the point I tried to show you how over a time frame how power levels could change drastically how at one point buggy and luffy was an actual match but now it wouldn't last a nanosecond and that just over 2 years where as Mihawk and shanks haven't clashed in more then 12 years. Don't ignore the points
Luffy and buggy's crew share multiple similarities luffy has always had 3 powerhouses where as buggy did they have a family vibe with one another and unquestionable loyalty shown when Buffy's crew had been trying to break buggy out of impel down since he got captured. Luffy does like treasure he's actually going for the one piece what are you talking about lmao. buggy has a large army himself and has to guys who are deemed equal just as luffy does. Whitebeard has a father and son relationship with his crew luffy doesn't and doesn't have that kind of relationship with his armada and nor does buggy.
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I haven't read this but...if you really think Sanji is equal as Zoro in power at this moment then either you have some Sanji bias or you are just blind to not notice how Zoro is indeed stronger than Sanji even though Oda is puting that rival BS between them...
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