[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?

[RJ22BIG]

Yeah Idk which moments from other characters are as good as Zoro's "sacrifice" for his captain.Not only he "sacrificed" himself he even made sure for Sanji to not make anything stupid knocking him out like a true leader would do.That's again one of the momets where Zoro showed his worth of a first mate.Same how Luffy trained after timeskip to be able to protect his mates,same Zoro made sure to not see Sanji injured.

Do you see how you raise zoro up above other please you have to really take notice to this you said know characters moment was a good as zoro's. Kuma was trying to kill zoro. Zoro showed that he was willing to die for his captain that was the point kuma even said you will not survive luffy's pain and was even shocked that zoro was still alive when he seen him on saobondy archipelago. The point was zoro was gonna die for luffy that's the point. Sanji was willing to die for luffy. When kuma created the compressed bomb everybody was convinced they would die and yet they still refused to give luffy up. So your saying that one person trying to die for someone is more important then some else trying to die for that person that makes no sense it's the same action smh if that isn't the most biased thing I've ever heard man you have to at least acknowledge this. smh

 

[loj]

1. The Strawhats endanger their lives every single day by sailing with Luffy. They made the sacrifice of safety from the WG to sail with Luffy and help him with his dream.

2. Usopp motivating Luffy to stand back up against Luffy(there is ZERO way of knowing that Luffy would have stood back up without that speech, so it counts)

3. The citizens of Thriller Bark choosing death over handing over Luffy's head

4. The Strawhats standing by Luffy as he declared war on the World Government

5. Sanji standing up to Big Mom and Germa 66 in order to dedicate himself to the crew

6. Whitebeard announcing for all of his men to support Luffy at full force

7. The remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates protecting Luffy from Akainu's onslaught, even though by that point their captain and Ace had died, meaning they had no reason to stick around Marineford and to keep fighting. They chose to keep fighting in order to save Luffy.

8. Bentham choosing to sacrifice his life against Magellan in Impel Down by transforming into him, sneaking into the control room, and opening the gates so Luffy and his band of goons could make it to Marineford.

9. Ace sacrificing his life by throwing himself in front of Akainu's magma punch.

10. Sabo attacking and dueling with Burgess, getting angry at the thought of him going after his little brother


Sound like when Sanji knocked Luffy through a table to make sure he didn't say something stupid, followed by yelling for Luffy to get over himself and act like a real captain has too by not letting his emotions make him say careless things.


ALL of them trained for this exact same reason. Just a few chapters ago Sanji said he trained like a madman for the sake of protecting his friends. Who was it that protected the mates from Doflamingo again?



I enjoy debating, so nah.

@bold what? They are not even in SH :|

@Underline Usopp's speech was a sacrifice? LOL welp I'm done.

Sanji's thing is just LOL he knew the won't do anything to him since they need him alive >_< hence Sanji put SH's in deeper balls now since he lied in the letter anyways...Look what SH's are going through since Sanji wanted to play the hero...now Sanji is even handcuffed...That Sanji...bruh...

Fair play Sanji for kicking Luffy but again it was Zoro who cleared the situation not Sanji :|

Yeah they did train since they needed to be stronger...Zoro literally knocked Sanji out to not see him dead basically...if Sanji took that pain...RIP Sanji.

 

[loj]

Do you see how you raise zoro up above other please you have to really take notice to this you said know characters moment was a good as zoro's. Kuma was trying to kill zoro. Zoro showed that he was willing to die for his captain that was the point kuma even said you will not survive luffy's pain and was even shocked that zoro was still alive when he seen him on saobondy archipelago. The point was zoro was gonna die for luffy that's the point. Sanji was willing to die for luffy. When kuma created the compressed bomb everybody was convinced they would die and yet they still refused to give luffy up. So your saying that one person trying to die for someone is more important then some else trying to die for that person that makes no sense it's the same action smh if that isn't the most biased thing I've ever heard man you have to at least acknowledge this. smh

Sanji just followed the situation when he seen what Zoro is about to do.He tried to play the hero...Zoro took him out since Zoro is more durable and let's be serious Sanji would of been dead that moment he took that pain.

Oda again showed who took captain's pain and who is Luffy's right hand.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Are you really this ****ing clueless? How many subtle hints and phrases from the manga stated by different people must Oda reveal for you to get the goddamn message? Bartolomeo, Kuma, Urouge, and the Navy have all foreshadowed the possibility of Zoro being the future VC of the Strawhats. Why are you talking like this will never happen, or is it the fact that you Zoro deniers DON'T want it to happen?

How is it funny when Zoro has been the only one to receive that title from many different people? Oh wait, you don't like the idea of Zoro receiving praise from different people so you think it's a joke that Zoro might be VC.

I doubt you even read the manga if you can't see this obvious foreshadowing from Oda.


But he isn't because Oda obviously doesn't want that to happen yet, but you seem to be quite oblivious to it being shown multiple times that Zoro is VC status.


LMAO, and who is Buggy supposed to be?



You do realize that everytime Luffy finds a new crewmate, he always has a role placed for them.

What did you want to happen with Zoro? "Hey Zoro, join my crew and be my Vice-captain"

The fact that Zoro was the first to join and been given comments all over the world by different people assumed to be VC proves that Oda doesn't have to directly state that Zoro is VC.

I seriously can't wait in the near future when Oda finally reveals that Zoro is VC of the Strawhats. Most of you are gonna look real stupid.



You keep bringing up what Sanji did as if I didn't already ****ing know this. Oh what, do you want me to praise what Sanji did because he kicked his captain and because you supposedly think it's better than what Zoro did? Yeah, you would.

The moment you realize this has nothing to do with Sanji nor am I discounting what Sanji did is the moment when you have permission to not look like a retard.

Your really showing that your an idiot I said that sanji's situation regarding usopp and zoro's situation regarding usopp are equally important because it's the same situation but of course if I don't say zoro's moment wasn't better then that means someone else's was better then his. Your truly and idiot things can be equal you moron somethings doesn't always have to be greater or less then something else. Lmao why does it irritate you that I bring up sanji you wanted to make zoro's moment seem like the end all be all so I have a scenario that was of equal weight to show that it isn't astronomically as amazing as you keep making it and you got frustrated get it through your head your not zoro he's not your child and your not Oda so if I don't see him as you view him it's like I'm insulting your family relax zoro is one of my two favorite characters but I don't overdose on how great he is sheesh

 

[Punk Hazard]

@bold what? They are not even in SH :|

That's...my point? Re-read my previous post. I said Zoro's moment isn't unique because there are countless great moments of support and loyalty to Luffy across the manga.

@Underline Usopp's speech was a sacrifice? LOL welp I'm done.

I never said all the moments that convey loyalty and support to Luffy like Zoro did were sacrifices, nor do they have to be.

Sanji's thing is just LOL he knew the won't do anything to him since they need him alive >_< hence Sanji put SH's in deeper balls now since he lied in the letter anyways...Look what SH's are going through since Sanji wanted to play the hero...now Sanji is even handcuffed...That Sanji...bruh...

He has no way of knowing that Big Mom wouldn't kill him if he refused to do the marriage. After all, if he isn't doing it, then she has no use for him, and would have then have no reason to actually kill him.

Fair play Sanji for kicking Luffy but again it was Zoro who cleared the situation not Sanji :|

Two separate settings and moments, kid. Zoro "clearing" the situation happened days after Sanji kicked Luffy through the table.

Yeah they did train since they needed to be stronger...Zoro literally knocked Sanji out to not see him dead basically...if Sanji took that pain...RIP Sanji.

Irrelevant.

 

[Dannie]

When did Kuma and the World Government foreshadow that Zoro would be becoming first mate?

I can't find the scans right now but I know it's there, hold on, give me a minute, lmao.

How does it make ANY sense that Oda would make it obvious that Zoro is vice captain RIGHT NOW, but he doesn't want to reveal it yet? Wouldn't he already be revealing it WITH these "obvious" depictions of Zoro being vice captain? You're saying Oda is trying to hide Zoro being vice captain while also making it obvious, for why again? How does it serve the story for Oda to be prolonging the status of Vice Captain?

Because it's Zoro. When has Oda ever revealed anything about Zoro in a swift manner?

 

[loj]

That's...my point? Re-read my previous post. I said Zoro's moment isn't unique because there are countless great moments of support and loyalty to Luffy across the manga.


I never said all the moments that convey loyalty and support to Luffy like Zoro did were sacrifices, nor do they have to be.


He has no way of knowing that Big Mom wouldn't kill him if he refused to do the marriage. After all, if he isn't doing it, then she has no use for him, and would have then have no reason to actually kill him.

Two separate settings and moments, kid. Zoro "clearing" the situation happened days after Sanji kicked Luffy through the table.


Irrelevant.

I literally said in the post before to show me anything similar to what Zoro done in Thriller Bark from SH's :| and you show me Ace,Sabo and WB :| nice...

"irrelevent" welp I'm done with this debate you obviously have some Zoro disorder or something XD anything what Zoro done is just not unique enough for you to acknowledge >_>

22 pages of Riker's denial

 

[Punk Hazard]

I can't find the scans right now but I know it's there, hold on, give me a minute, lmao.

You can just tell me when they did and what they said, idc.

Because it's Zoro. When has Oda ever revealed anything about Zoro in a swift manner?

Oda has never revealed surprising or crucial information about Zoro in a steady manner. How does not just outright saying he's the first mate benefit the story?

 

[loj]

And yeah it's nice how Sabo gave the vivre card to Zoro rather than Robin...funny thing Sabo knew Robin more than Zoro....wonder why would he give the vivre card to someone he never seen before in his life rather than Robin :/

 

[RJ22BIG]

Sanji just followed the situation when he seen what Zoro is about to do.He tried to play the hero...Zoro took him out since Zoro is more durable and let's be serious Sanji would of been dead that moment he took that pain.

Oda again showed who took captain's pain and who is Luffy's right hand.

Do you see how you ignored the point of your bias. Oda doesn't kill characters off in the present story(no flash backs) only 2 people have died whitebeard and ace if sanji took the pain he would've survived because Oda wouldn't kill a main character off. The point was would zoro die for luffy yes he would. Would sanji die for luffy yes he would. Would the straw hats die for luffy yes any of them would this was all shown in the same arc and arc's there after but in your eyes zoro's act was great then everybody else's although it was the same act to die for their captain answer that go ahead please enlighten me ????

 

[Dannie]

Your really showing that your an idiot I said that sanji's situation regarding usopp and zoro's situation regarding usopp are equally important because it's the same situation but of course if I don't say zoro's moment wasn't better then that means someone else's was better then his. Your truly and idiot things can be equal you moron somethings doesn't always have to be greater or less then something else. Lmao why does it irritate you that I bring up sanji you wanted to make zoro's moment seem like the end all be all so I have a scenario that was of equal weight to show that it isn't astronomically as amazing as you keep making it and you got frustrated get it through your head your not zoro he's not your child and your not Oda so if I don't see him as you view him it's like I'm insulting your family relax zoro is one of my two favorite characters but I don't overdose on how great he is sheesh

Oh yeah, I'm the ones whose Irate. How about you read this entire post over dawg. We'll see whose really getting asshurt.

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That moment when this idiot still doesn't get my point.

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[Punk Hazard]

I literally said in the post before to show me anything similar to what Zoro done in Thriller Bark from SH's :| and you show me Ace,Sabo and WB :| nice...

I answered that by including Strawhat moments, and I supported my previous point by including other moments at the same time...I did BOTH...

"irrelevent" welp I'm done with this debate you obviously have some Zoro disorder or something XD anything what Zoro done is just not unique enough for you to acknowledge >_>

How is Zoro knocking Sanji out add any relevance to whether or not Zoro's moment is unique? That adds nothing to your argument.

22 pages of Riker's denial

22 pages of the best head Zoro has ever gotten.

 

[loj]

Do you see how you ignored the point of your bias. Oda doesn't kill characters off in the present story(no flash backs) only 2 people have died whitebeard and ace if sanji took the pain he would've survived because Oda wouldn't kill a main character off. The point was would zoro die for luffy yes he would. Would sanji die for luffy yes he would. Would the straw hats die for luffy yes any of them would this was all shown in the same arc and arc's there after but in your eyes zoro's act was great then everybody else's although it was the same act to die for their captain answer that go ahead please enlighten me ????

Yes everyone would die for Luffy sure...but why would Oda make the situation only for Zoro to take captain's pain? Sanji was literally there as well...but no Oda make it that way that Zoro would knock Sanji out and he alone would take captain's pain :|

 

[Gintõki1]

And yeah it's nice how Sabo gave the vivre card to Zoro rather than Robin...funny thing Sabo knew Robin more than Zoro....wonder why would he give the vivre card to someone he never seen before in his life rather than Robin :/

That's easy to answer.
He didn't want Zoro to get lost and waste panels with him running around.

 

[loj]

I answered that by including Strawhat moments, and I supported my previous point by including other moments at the same time...I did BOTH...


How is Zoro knocking Sanji out add any relevance to whether or not Zoro's moment is unique? That adds nothing to your argument.


22 pages of the best head Zoro has ever gotten.

But you only said Usopp speech :| that's not a sacrifice as much as I know...that's literally nothing just a motivational speech :| what did Usopp eat motivation-motivation no mi so that made Luffy stand up? Bruh...

You lietarlly said Zoro's moment isn't unique and nothing special where it really is special :|

22 pages of laughs about what you are writing,the popularity one tops it all

 

[loj]

That's easy to answer.
He didn't want Zoro to get lost and waste panels with him running around.

What's your opinion about Zoro's position in SH's?

 

[Dannie]

And who cares if Sanji's moment was equal to Zoro's? That's like 1 versus his like what.. 4?? lmao

 

[Gintõki1]

What's your opinion about Zoro's position in SH's?

I don't really give a ****, tbh.
But i really do enjoy the war like discussions. :bdpf:

 

[RJ22BIG]

Yes everyone would die for Luffy sure...but why would Oda make the situation only for Zoro to take captain's pain? Sanji was literally there as well...but no Oda make it that way that Zoro would knock Sanji out and he alone would take captain's pain :|

Yea Oda made it just for zoro. Just like robin willing to be taken away to protect the crew. Nami told luffy robin did it for them she is gonna die for them but of course if zoro is gonna die for the crew it is greater although it's the same action. Sanji leaves to protect the crew knowing that he will die if he turns down the will of both his father and big mom. Peckoms Even says it I don't know if he (sanji) will be able to keep his life in front of momma and the dreaded vinsmoke family but yet again if zoro is willing to die for his crew it makes it better although it is the same action dying for the crew.

 

[Skull Knight]

Huh? How does the panel of Bartolomeo saying "I consider Zoro the vice-captain" prove that the World Government thinks so?

Already explained to the other guy. WG/Gorosei/Marines have good amount of control over media in OPverse(already shown IN Dressrosa Arc). Basto sayin "Zoro slaying island full of people in Ennies lobby" is perfect example how WG is projecting SHcrew in OPverse. Barto and Urogue opinion is based on these reports which is promoting Zoro as SH VC. It doesn't matter if these reports are correct or not but people in OPverse had started seeing Zoro as firstmate in SHcrew.
Note: Sanji/Nami/Ussop was never addressed by anybody as SH VC.