[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?

[A v i]

Zoro isn't the second strongest in the crew zoro and sanji are equal in strength therefore hold the position of second strongest equally. In that case this could show why there is no vice captain because those to candidates are equal and when luffy isn't around which ever of those 2 being zoro or sanji that is around is in charge like in the zou arc luffy referee to the group as sanji and the others.

Sanji is never an equal to Zoro and he'll never be his equal. And I told you before, Oda choose Zoro to take Luffy's pain because he's the next on the line not Sanji.

All of this is irrelevant. This doesn't diminish the fact that Franky tried to kill Luffy, and now he'd die for him. It's the same development, just with different details.

Is this a kind of joke? How on earth Zoro literally forsaking his determination, pride and dream(which for him are more valuable than his own life) is same as Franky simply switching sides? His grudge is never that deep enough for us to even take it seriously. Don't be ignorant, Zoro's development isn't same as Franky's case in slightest.

 

[Love Cook]

Franky was never determined enough to run after his dream to began with, he never established his dream to be more valuable than his life. Don't even try to compare that with Zoro and his dream. Sacrificing lives is something even a Don quixote executive would do, SH's aren't any special here. Look at what happened when Usopp had to abandon a memento of his friend and Zoro sacrificed something even more valuable without any hesitation.



Franky changes his mood at whims and he does that quite casually. It's not like they were sworn enemies or anything. Zoro is actually determined at what he does unlike Franky whose personality switches quicker than the seasons at Rusukaina Island. And you're telling me that this guy is the same as Zoro, It's time to grow up a little Riker. :yeah:

Lol if you thought that Usopp not being able to say goodbye to merry was about him having trouble to change ships, the entire point went over your head.

And here you are lecturing other people how to read into the situation. Surprise, you know nothing dipstick. Go back and reread that bit.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Franky was never determined enough to run after his dream to began with, he never established his dream to be more valuable than his life. Don't even try to compare that with Zoro and his dream. Sacrificing lives is something even a Don quixote executive would do, SH's aren't any special here. Look at what happened when Usopp had to abandon a memento of his friend and Zoro sacrificed something even more valuable without any hesitation.



Franky changes his mood at whims and he does that quite casually. It's not like they were sworn enemies or anything. Zoro is actually determined at what he does unlike Franky whose personality switches quicker than the seasons at Rusukaina Island. And you're telling me that this guy is the same as Zoro, It's time to grow up a little Riker. :yeah:

I have to agree with love cook on this statement it was never about changing ships it was giving up on a crew mate to ussop (because at the time he was the shop wright and his girl gave him that ship and the ship seemed alive at certain points) essentially the going merry was a crew mate and ussop felt luffy was giving up on said crew mate which is why they got into the fight

Sanji kicking luffy in the face before he said what he said further implies this because luffy was about to say just leave etc.. Thus giving up on another crew mate in the situation


Zoro however had no attachments towards the ship which is why he didn't he said what he said about leaving because while he doesn't care about the ship he cares about luffy and how he was acting

Same with Sanji though had to attachments towards the ship he had attachment towards ussop which is why he actually went out of his way to strike his captain


And while all three acts are commendable I honesty believe that ussop had more of impact in this whole arguement because he was not giving up on crew mate

Then zoro because he cared about how the captain was portrayed and that he was disrespected and he wouldn't follow someone who just gets outright disrespected on


Lastly Sanji for looking after a crew mate (ussop) and defying his captain

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol if you thought that Usopp not being able to say goodbye to merry was about him having trouble to change ships, the entire point went over your head.

And here you are lecturing other people how to read into the situation. Surprise, you know nothing dipstick. Go back and reread that bit.

Wait, do people not realize that Usopp was projecting his own feelings of worthlessness onto the ship, and was angry because he was insecure and felt like the crew would realize he's holding them back and kick him to the curb?

 

[A v i]

Lol if you thought that Usopp not being able to say goodbye to merry was about him having trouble to change ships, the entire point went over your head.

It always helps to reread a sentence when you don't properly understand it. Nowhere in my post have I said anything closer to the BS you come up with. Regardless of whatever the reasons he had at that point in manga; Usopp did show hesitation and even abandoned the crew when he had to put something very important to him at stake. A part of the reason(Aside from the whole nakara thing) why he considers it to be precious is because it was a memento from Kaya. [

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I have to agree with love cook on this statement it was never about changing ships it was giving up on a crew mate to ussop (because at the time he was the shop wright and his girl gave him that ship and the ship seemed alive at certain points) essentially the going merry was a crew mate and ussop felt luffy was giving up on said crew mate which is why they got into the fight

Sanji kicking luffy in the face before he said what he said further implies this because luffy was about to say just leave etc.. Thus giving up on another crew mate in the situation


Zoro however had no attachments towards the ship which is why he didn't he said what he said about leaving because while he doesn't care about the ship he cares about luffy and how he was acting

Same with Sanji though had to attachments towards the ship he had attachment towards ussop which is why he actually went out of his way to strike his captain


And while all three acts are commendable I honesty believe that ussop had more of impact in this whole arguement because he was not giving up on crew mate

Then zoro because he cared about how the captain was portrayed and that he was disrespected and he wouldn't follow someone who just gets outright disrespected on


Lastly Sanji for looking after a crew mate (ussop) and defying his captain

What he quoted me for and what I was trying to say with my post aren't same thing.

 

[loj]

Gotta give it to Riker...15 pages of denial

 

[Punk Hazard]

Gotta give to lolalann 15 pages of fanboyism

 

[loj]

Gotta give to lolalann 15 pages of fanboyism

Well by now you should know that I'm a Luffy fan not a Zoro fanboy :lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well by now you should know that I'm a Luffy fan not a Zoro fanboy :lol

You're both, evidently

 

[loj]

You're both, evidently

So now I'm a fanboy 'cause 90% of this thread thinks Zoro is a first mate.WOW that's a nice logic you got there,apparently I can't even have an opinion without being called a fanboy....good to know.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

It always helps to reread a sentence when you don't properly understand it. Nowhere in my post have I said anything closer to the BS you come up with. Regardless of whatever the reasons he had at that point in manga; Usopp did show hesitation and even abandoned the crew when he had to put something very important to him at stake. A part of the reason(Aside from the whole nakara thing) why he considers it to be precious is because it was a memento from Kaya. [

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What he quoted me for and what I was trying to say with my post aren't same thing.

Oh ok my bad

 

[Love Cook]

It always helps to reread a sentence when you don't properly understand it. Nowhere in my post have I said anything closer to the BS you come up with. Regardless of whatever the reasons he had at that point in manga; Usopp did show hesitation and even abandoned the crew when he had to put something very important to him at stake. A part of the reason(Aside from the whole nakara thing) why he considers it to be precious is because it was a memento from Kaya. [

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Oh shut up dude, the BS I came up with ? I only said that you didn't get the Going Merry part, and that you were acting like a smart ass lecturing other people.

I know about Kaya, I know about Merry, I know about his little feelings. But you don't know what a metaphor is and by posting that link you pretty much confirmed my first post. You have no clue what that scene at water 7 was about. And here you are being the dream judge, telling people whose sacrifice is more important.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Sanji is never an equal to Zoro and he'll never be his equal. And I told you before, Oda choose Zoro to take Luffy's pain because he's the next on the line not Sanji.


They are equal you have nothing to prove that they aren't where I have a multitude example that prove that they are. Secondly you keep saying that Oda chose zoro to take luffy's pain first of all kuma wanted a head for a head he didn't say I want to give luffy's pain to someone zoro had no clue what was coming. Sanji was about to give his life for both luffy and zoro the only reason he didn't is because as a man and his pride zoro would never allow someone to die for him. Oda didn't choose zoro for anything zoro chose to try and save luffy's life. It was to show his loyalty to his captain not to show he was vice captain that doesn't even make any sense how does zoro trying to die for luffy correlate to him being vice captain when everybody was and always is ready to die for luffy. It's really sad when people allow these delusions in their heads to lead to such bogus things because you like the way it sounds. Your not Oda so stop trying to say what Oda was implying when he did that because it seemed pretty straight forward to me and a lot of people you are literally the first person I've ever seen force such a ridiculous point that isn't even backed up smh.



Is this a kind of joke? How on earth Zoro literally forsaking his determination, pride and dream(which for him are more valuable than his own life) is same as Franky simply switching sides? His grudge is never that deep enough for us to even take it seriously. Don't be ignorant, Zoro's development isn't same as Franky's case in slightest.

This is to show his character change showing that his loyalty to luffy is bigger then his dreams even Mihawk said it that when a guy like zoro does something so shameful it's because he has found something bigger then his pride

 

[Calpal]

Only because your not a fan of the series but you added in things that don't make sense. It doesn't make to much sense to not have a great or even respectable insight on something and add in nonsense it helps nothing is all I'm saying.

except it does make sense.
because the stipulations dont apply to every other crew doesnt mean they dont apply to the dynamicc of the strawhats.
put that keyboard sharpener down

 

[Punk Hazard]

Who was it that said Usopp jeapordized the crew over a boat? Here's your boy Zoro doing the same thing over a sword.

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Also notice how Franky says that he has to step up and take control. I wonder why Oda would have him do this when Zoro is there? GIGGA GASP! Could it be...Franky is the first mate???
Not only does Luffy listen to him to take charge, but it PAYS OFF

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[loj]

Who was it that said Usopp jeapordized the crew over a boat? Here's your boy Zoro doing the same thing over a sword.

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Also notice how Franky says that he has to step up and take control. I wonder why Oda would have him do this when Zoro is there? GIGGA GASP! Could it be...Franky is the first mate???
Not only does Luffy listen to him to take charge, but it PAYS OFF

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#DatBoiFranky #DaRealFirstMate
Lok @ mah boi Sanjee dissiplinging Loofy #FursMat

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Yeah 'cause Zoro clearly wanted to leave the crew at this moment :| how's this even comparable is beyond me...You are comparing a moment where Usopp wanted to leave the crew over a boat and making drama to the point where he fought Luffy and a typical Zoro I don' give a phuc moment XD

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yeah 'cause Zoro clearly wanted to leave the crew at this moment :| how's this even comparable is beyond me...

Almost busting the mission is just as bad.

 

[loj]

Almost busting the mission is just as bad.

You must be kidding me....Usopp fuked the crew over to the point where he fought Luffy.To the point where everything could have gone go shit...and you are comparing that moment to this...wow.That moment at Water 7 was the toughest thing Luffy could have got from his crew.This is nothing compared to that XD

 

[Punk Hazard]

You must be kidding me....Usopp fuked the crew over to the point where he fought Luffy.To the point where everything could have gone go shit...and you are comparing that moment to this...wow.That moment at Water 7 was the toughest thing Luffy could have got from his crew.This is nothing compared to that XD

Really? Because, let's think about what Usopp did really. He fought Luffy and disrespected the captain, but what would have went to shit? Fight or not, the crew wouldn't have kept the Merry and would have gotten a new boat anyways. Robin would have been taken by CP9 anyways, and they'd have to have fought at Enies Lobby anyways. Usopp's defection from the crew didn't actually mess up their plans/change the course of events or negatively affect them beyond the emotional pain of losing a close friend, nor was it possible that it could.

Meanwhile, Zoro's action of chasing his sword on Dressrosa resulted in the factory destroying team being split up. It went serendipitously, with Sanji finding Viola, but it could also very easily have led to them being caught by not only Doflamingo, but Fujitora, an Admiral. Even finding Viola is a stretch of my benefit of a doubt, since Viola was using her Clairvoyance to see that they were there and her plan was to lure Sanji anyways, so she probably would have gotten to him regardless. Compared to Usopp's defection, which didn't actually jeopardize the crew's mission, Zoro's blunder was bigger.

 

[Dannie]

What's the thread about again?