[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?

[sravan]

Is zorro firstmate? yes
Is zorro strong or 2nd strongest in the crew?yes
Is zorro 2nd in command??NO i don't think so.I don't mind if oda says it
But only one person got the permission to be the V.C by luffy himself he is ussopp
All others can make decisions independently but finally its luffy's nod that makes it happen.

 

[Punk Hazard]

They would of died ages ago if Luffy didn't beat villains...hence Oda is constantly putting Luffy to fight main villain,Zoro 2nd strongest and Sanji 3rd strongest.Just proves the situation in the SH's.

This doesn't contradict my point. You said intelligence doesn't count, a navigator and strength are the only things that can. I'm saying intelligence plays just as big a role as brute strength and a navigator.

Luffy main villain,Zoro 2nd stronest,Sanji 3rd strongest.

I think Oda showed you that 10000 times as of now.

It's also a formula Oda hasn't used in 8-9 years of manga. It's not relevant anymore.

So, If a News Channel broadcasts a false report, then every single thing they show us also becomes fallacious by default. o.o

Of course not, but it shows that their word isn't credible.

You might as well doubt Garp's status as The Hero of The Marines, The Yonko titles and The Pirate King title... etc. As they're all nothing more than rumors. Even the point of Luffy being SH's captain is a rumor for the rest of The World as they aren't personally acquainted with the crew.

None of these are remotely the same as Zoro being the Vice-Captain. Hero of the Marines is a nickname, it's not subject to opinion or false information. The Pirate King is defined as a certain thing, there's no arguing or false pretenses about it possible. The World Government decide who the Yonko is, so once again, no false pretenses possible. Something that is an OPINION, like Zoro's role in the crew to an outsider who isn't familiar with the crew, IS subject to false pretenses. So unless something like the narrator or Oda explicitly declares Zoro the Vice-Captain, word of mouth that leads to Luffy being an 8-foot tal monster doesn't mean shit.

Urouge isn't your avg civilian to blindly follow the rumors without questioning their authenticity. He himself is a pirate and he perfectly understands how the world of Pirates work. He Or even the rest of the world believes Zoro to the be their number two because his accomplishments and actions so far perfectly matches that of a Vice-Captain figure in general.

Only two people have ever related Zoro to being the Vice-Captain. That correlates to the rest of the world now?

And how do you know that about Urouge? He's barely shown any personality traits.

If Oda really wants us to see him no differently from the rest of the crew; Why would be bother making this kind of statements via his characters?

Because everyone from Franky down are too weak to make that impression. The only other person strong enough to make that impression is Sanji, but because he operates in the dark and stays out of the World Government's spotlight, he doesn't get that reputation.

And if it weren't for Zoro; SH's would've died at WP. It doesn't mean shit, Every single one of them played an important role in their survival thus far.

You'd look less dumb if you paid attention to the conversation. Lolwhatthehellever said intelligence doesn't matter. That scan isn't to prove that intelligence matters more, it's to prove that it does in fact matter. Pay attention next time you try to dive into a conversation.

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[Anduril]

Zoro is the first mate and the vice-captain of the strawhat pirates. That much has been pretty clear for all OP fans.

 

[Dannie]

Zoro is the first mate and the vice-captain of the strawhat pirates. That much has been pretty clear for all OP fans.

Apparently it's Usopp.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Well he clearly did since it says made by author so you saying that Zoro isn't is irrelevant since Oda said different ^^

Where does it say that? Let me guess, wikia?

The databooks are a series of books by the author to supplement the facts of the One Piece series, revealing data that the manga did not. So far, five have been published.

Yeah that's copied and pasted from wiki

Apparently that doesn't even matter since it doesn't support your theory )))) how it seems you know better than Oda then...

Oda didn't write it man, who the hell refers to wikia in a debate bruh?:lol I'm done

 

[Venomous Cobra]

So, If a News Channel broadcasts a false report, then every single thing they show us also becomes fallacious by default. o.o You might as well doubt Garp's status as The Hero of The Marines, The Yonko titles and The Pirate King title... etc. As they're all nothing more than rumors. Even the point of Luffy being SH's captain is a rumor for the rest of The World as they aren't personally acquainted with the crew. Urouge isn't your avg civilian to blindly follow the rumors without questioning their authenticity. He himself is a pirate and he perfectly understands how the world of Pirates work. He Or even the rest of the world believes Zoro to the be their number two because his accomplishments and actions so far perfectly matches that of a Vice-Captain figure in general.

If Oda really wants us to see him no differently from the rest of the crew; Why would be bother making this kind of statements via his characters?



And if it weren't for Zoro; SH's would've died at WP. It doesn't mean shit, Every single one of them played an important role in their survival thus far.



Calling him Number-2 isn't going to change anything in slightest as they mean basically the same thing. Since you have this much faith in a native speaker, you might as well try to follow his views on Zoro; he thinks of Zoro as SH's Vice-Captain.

He does believe that zoro is the vc but he cleary States that the panel isnt valid enough for a proof.

And yes that changes alot, it might refer to the power, fame, bounty, order etc...

 

[loj]

Where does it say that? Let me guess, wikia?


Yeah that's copied and pasted from wiki

Oda didn't write it man, who the hell refers to wikia in a debate bruh?:lol I'm done

LOL are you legit trolling me now or what?

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I'm literally done with you...how pathetic this must be to even deny something what Oda wrote...just get over it...Zoro is the closest to vice-captain you'll ever get stop crying for God sakes...

Riker and you in a nutshell...

>It's made by author(Eiichiro Oda)
>Cobra say...he didn't.
>Riker say...it's unreliable.
.
.
.
>Oda refers that Zoro is something like vice-captain
>Cobra say...he didn't.
>Riker say...it's unreliable.

Legit this is too funny,and hey! Never use Wiki for anything too when you debate with Cobra since that's not valid and all informations are wrong from there.

 

[Arian]

Until someone does anything CLOSE to this....Zoro is the first-mate

Spoiler

exactely... thats not even the question U_U zoro is the first mate wether people like it or not.

 

[Punk Hazard]

LOL are you legit trolling me now or what?

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I'm literally done with you...how pathetic this must be to even deny something what Oda wrote...just get over it...Zoro is the closest to vice-captain you'll ever get stop crying for God sakes...

Riker and you in a nutshell...

>It's made by author(Eiichiro Oda)
>Cobra say...he didn't.
>Riker say...it's unreliable.
.
.
.
>Oda refers that Zoro is something like vice-captain
>Cobra say...he didn't.
>Riker say...it's unreliable.

Legit this is too funny,and hey! Never use Wiki for anything too when you debate with Cobra since that's not valid and all informations are wrong from there.

That databook also says that Zoro and Luffy are equal in strength, and this has been proven false by the manga. It also says that Zoro follows Luffy without hesitation, yet he's hesitated multiple times(Usopp and Sanji situations). So yeah, not reliable since it's an outdated work.

 

[loj]

That databook also says that Zoro and Luffy are equal in strength, and this has been proven false by the manga. It also says that Zoro follows Luffy without hesitation, yet he's hesitated multiple times(Usopp and Sanji situations). So yeah, not reliable since it's an outdated work.

Mate that's old stuff yeah but fact still stays that Zoro is indeed something like vice-captain of Strawhats no matter how mad or sad you are now...fact stays.Eiichiro Oda the creator of One Piece a manga we all love and read said that Zoro is something like vice-captain in Strawhats.That hestiation...if you are talking about Water 7 moment is definitely why is Zoro considered a vice-captain of SH's.

Literally if this is not enough for you then I will stop trying since doing a debate so long while I threw you informations to the skull and you still deny it...THAT DENIAL BRO XD

 

[Punk Hazard]

Mate that's old stuff yeah but fact still stays that Zoro is indeed something like vice-captain of Strawhats no matter how mad or sad you are now...fact stays.Eiichiro Oda the creator of One Piece a manga we all love and read said that Zoro is something like vice-captain in Strawhats.That hestiation...if you are talking about Water 7 moment is definitely why is Zoro considered a vice-captain of SH's.

You sound hella pathetic calling people mad and sad just because they have the opposite opinion of you fam.

Eichiro Oda, creator of the manga, said Zoro follows Luffy without hesitation. That same author had Zoro hesitate and argue with Luffy's decisions twice, with Usopp, and with Sanji and Big Mom. No matter how sad or mad it makes you, the databook is no longer valid because it's riddled with inaccuracies. The databooks also say that Sabo was killed as a boy. I guess Sabo's ghost was in Dressrosa, right?

 

[loj]

You sound hella pathetic calling people mad and sad just because they have the opposite opinion of you fam.

Eichiro Oda, creator of the manga, said Zoro follows Luffy without hesitation. That same author had Zoro hesitate and argue with Luffy's decisions twice, with Usopp, and with Sanji and Big Mom. No matter how sad or mad it makes you, the databook is no longer valid because it's riddled with inaccuracies. The databooks also say that Sabo was killed as a boy. I guess Sabo's ghost was in Dressrosa, right?

No I call you mad and sad 'cause you are denying the facts LOL

I literally said thats old stuff and agreed with you so idk what you are trying to tell me with this Luffy..Zoro thing...if you are telling me Oda changed his opinion about Zoro after timeskip for Sanji or Usopp I can only say have fun with this debate since your denial game is too stronk.

Sabo thing is a complicated thing since we don't know if Oda wanted to "revive" him later in the story so at that point he was "dead" yes.And to be honest I'm sure 90%of fanbase thought so too.I mean...I too thought Sabo was dead at that point so databook fact is not so wrong is it?

 

[Punk Hazard]

No I call you mad and sad 'cause you are denying the facts LOL

Another fact listed in the databook: Sabo is dead

I literally said thats old stuff and agreed with you so idk what you are trying to tell me with this Luffy..Zoro thing...if you are telling me Oda changed his opinion about Zoro after timeskip for Sanji or Usopp I can only say have fun with this debate since your denial game is too stronk.

Funny how all of the other stuff that's contradicted the manga is "old stuff" but Zoro being the vice captain is the only thing that carries on...convenient that in a sea of exaggerations and outdated info, just that is cool.

Sabo thing is a complicated thing since we don't know if Oda wanted to "revive" him later in the story so at that point he was "dead" yes.And to be honest I'm sure 90%of fanbase thought so too.

Still false information that shows the databooks aren't credible.

 

[loj]

Another fact listed in the databook: Sabo is dead


Funny how all of the other stuff that's contradicted the manga is "old stuff" but Zoro being the vice captain is the only thing that carries on...convenient that in a sea of exaggerations and outdated info, just that is cool.


Still false information that shows the databooks aren't credible.

I think you fail to realize that that databook was out at that time in storywhere we knew nothing about Sabo's situation.If you knew Sabo is alive at that point...fair play to you but at that point and time when databook came out..Sabo was indeed "dead" since you could't deny it.

That old stuff...is old yes same how oda said Luffy and Zoro are same hence I remember that fight Luffy vs Zoro at the beginning at the story and at that point maybe they really were equal in power.Now since thats old you can do 1+1 and update it alone that Luffy is superrior than Zoro.

But I don't see a reason why would Oda change his opnion about Zoro not being something like vice-captain of SH's since he proved it after timeskip as well when he threatened Luffy that he will take over captain position if Luffy doesn't stop fooling around where Sanji continued..."You are too strict with him".

In that moment again Oda threw you the reason why is Zoro considered something like the vice-captain of SH's.

 

[Dannie]

Funny how all of the other stuff that's contradicted the manga is "old stuff" but Zoro being the vice captain is the only thing that carries on...convenient that in a sea of exaggerations and outdated info, just that is cool.

Here's the thing. Zoro following Luffy without hesitation and Luffy and Zoro being on the same level of strength has already been debunked by the manga, whereas Zoro being a vice-captain like pirate for the SH's has yet to be debunked, so your examples doesn't fit here. The databook was wrong about Zoro following Luffy and about their strength being equal, but not about Zoro being like a VC.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

LOL are you legit trolling me now or what?

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I'm literally done with you...how pathetic this must be to even deny something what Oda wrote...just get over it...Zoro is the closest to vice-captain you'll ever get stop crying for God sakes...

Riker and you in a nutshell...

>It's made by author(Eiichiro Oda)
>Cobra say...he didn't.
>Riker say...it's unreliable.
.
.
.
>Oda refers that Zoro is something like vice-captain
>Cobra say...he didn't.
>Riker say...it's unreliable.

Legit this is too funny,and hey! Never use Wiki for anything too when you debate with Cobra since that's not valid and all informations are wrong from there.

First website copied the description from wikia, and the other said that the art and the story are done by oda in (). Oda is the author of the story, not the book.(wiki not the best when it comes to that kind of stuff)

Neither proved that oda wrote them, still waiting for a credible source. Databook says Sabo is dead when oda the author himself says it's up to the fans, That is one major contradiction that someone who plans things from scratch like oda wouldn't do.


Anything else tbh?

 

[A v i]

He does believe that zoro is the vc but he cleary States that the panel isnt valid enough for a proof.

And yes that changes alot, it might refer to the power, fame, bounty, order etc...

He didn't say it isn't valid. He said (that) the actual translation doesn't explicitly say what is being said in the other translations. He also added that number two could also mean V.C. if we follow the context which is what Cnet did in his translation.

I am not sure why words like fame and order would be used as they're totally out of context. "His bounty is only second highest, Yet his bounty is 120M" sounds a bit off, to be at least. Second best in strength or/and rank makes most sense out of everything you've listed. Sabo is being referred to as number two of Rev's and he is the second highest both in status and power. So, I think it's safe to say the same applies to Zoro as well.

 

[V h o]

Not sure. Zoro could be, but I don't know if the rest of the crew would follow zoro, same with Sanji to be honest. For some reason I think Nami would be in charge if all else fails:lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

I think you fail to realize that that databook was out at that time in storywhere we knew nothing about Sabo's situation.If you knew Sabo is alive at that point...fair play to you but at that point and time when databook came out..Sabo was indeed "dead" since you could't deny it.

That old stuff...is old yes same how oda said Luffy and Zoro are same hence I remember that fight Luffy vs Zoro at the beginning at the story and at that point maybe they really were equal in power.Now since thats old you can do 1+1 and update it alone that Luffy is superrior than Zoro.

But I don't see a reason why would Oda change his opnion about Zoro not being something like vice-captain of SH's since he proved it after timeskip as well when he threatened Luffy that he will take over captain position if Luffy doesn't stop fooling around where Sanji continued..."You are too strict with him".

In that moment again Oda threw you the reason why is Zoro considered something like the vice-captain of SH's.

That's why I said the databook is outdated. The story developed in a way that proved it to be wrong information. The same way that the crew's dynamic evolved as the story went on to the point where there is no hierarchy. At the time, Zoro was the closest thing to being the VC, but now, the crew's dynamic is at the point where no one is like the vice-captain.

Zoro never threatened to take over as captain. He jokingly told Luffy they'd need a different captain if he couldn't knock out as many Fishmen as he did, and then told Luffy later to simply takes things more seriously. Now you're just making things up. Sanji also said "He's so tough on himself," not on Luffy.

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[loj]

First website copied the description from wikia, and the other said that the art and the story are done by oda in (). Oda is the author of the story, not the book.

Neither proved that oda wrote them, still waiting for a credible source. Databook says Sabo is dead when oda the author himself says it's up to the fans, That is one major contradiction that someone who plans things from scratch like oda wouldn't do.


Anything else tbh?

Literally everywhere you write One Piece databook is shown with made by Oda...your denial game is too stronk hahahahahaha

Do you know what databook is? It's a bloody facts and things from certain volumes is it so hard to understand that Sabo is dead was probably from volumes where we didn't know anything about Sabo's situation.

What a shitty argument