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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama in the Nature Elements. All five nature alterations, Hiden (clan techniques), Genjutsu, all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. Hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member
5 Elements - Not even his full power???
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Since Hiruzen was revived at old age, his chakra and power should be as low as before but wait... Tobirama states that the Hokage have been revived "close to original power" this means Hiruzen was revived weaker then he was alive at old age yet he was able to produce the 5 Elements at such mastery. Just imagine his Prime.
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Hiruzen knows and could perform all non KKG Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals =

Broken Ninjutsu versatility

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Hidden Leaf Tech

Neutalizer technique, Bringer of Darkness, Great Clone Explosion and all 8 Gates at will.
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough


Hiruzen (Sarutobi Clan)
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Izunaka Clan
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades

Uzumaki Clan

Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Five Elements Unseal
OP Summoning Monkey King Enma

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The Third hokage's comrade in arms, the monkey king enma's transformation jutsu Characterized by the hardness of diamond and its at-will extensibility, Kongou Nyoi-Bou is Sandaime's"weapon of choice", so to speak and with it in hand he's made it through a world of war for an extended period of time.

Also, when Enma is transformed into Diamond Shifting Staff, it is also possible that he can attack out of his own free will, his claws and fangs add an element of surprise and irregularity. Forged in the fire of battle, its at-will transformation-based attack and defense go beyond the scope of proficiency, to attain the realm of Shinobi "godhood".

-The main method of attack consists in strikes and thrusts that take advantage of its extensibility. The hardness of diamond translates into destructive power.

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自在に変幻する堅固なる獄!!
A solid prison that changes shape at will!!

Paragraphs:
金剛如意に変化した猿魔が、さらに�� �身して数十本の如意棒に姿を変え、� ��の四方八方を格子状に取り囲んで捕 縛する術。
After transforming himself into an adamantium staff, Enma clones himself in staff form then boxes the enemy into a lattice.

金剛の堅さを持つ牢壁は決して破る�� �と能わず、捕えられた敵は座して敗� ��の屈辱を知るのみ。
The prison wall with the toughness of adamantium cannot possibly be broken, and the captured enemy is left with nothing but the humility of defeat.

Durability Feats - Super Kage Bunshin???
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Hiruzen has shown to have excellent durability feats at age 69 with his Kage Bunshin as one of his clones was stabbed by Hashirama with 4 Kunai in the chest yet did not disperse until Hiruzen was done with it. He was also able to hold Orochimaru's soul for an hour long despite being stabbed through the chest by the Sword of Kusangi.
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Dangerous CQC
Even past his Prime, Hiruzen had showed excellent Close Quarter Combat skills. Moments after sealing parts of his soul away to seal the Edo Hokage and exhausting his remaining Chakra on Kage Bunshin, he was still able to easily disarm Orochimaru from his Sword of Kusangi with great ease and catch him to prepare his sealing Jutsu. He was also able to easily break through the Shinju branches and save Naruto despite Tobirama and Minato unable to get through.
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Further Hype and Testimonials

Orochimaru admitting that he would be killed by a 59 year old Hiruzen.
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Danzo in his dying moments admitting inferiority despite possessing Izanagi, Kotoamatsukami and Hashirama's DNA.
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Kabuto, a spy who has spied on and knows all about the Shinobi countries states that an old Hiruzen was stronger then all the 5 Kage at the time. Just imagine his Prime.
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Even with the entire SA and 5 Kage, Shikamaru states that only Hiruzen could contend with Guruguru at the time.
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Considers himself to be the strongest in his group which also included Tobirama. Confident enough to take on the entire Kinkaku and survive.
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Extra Databook Hype

"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure
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That's scan #2, #3 is oro saying it. I'll give you the databook though I forgot about that lol
 

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1. Hashi died from spamming Mokuton, he ran out of life force and stamina

2. Tobirama was killed by 20 jonin, they were all probably Akatsuki-tier

3. Hiruzen is old af, Hashi was in his 30s when the 3rd was a kid, and he would've been in his 50s to see kid Tsunade


The rest can be found on the next episode of DragonBall

Tobirama was not old at all when he died and Hashi died passing on the hokage title to tobirama. The timelines dont match at all.

Hashi cant die from lack of life force, chances are the others will die before that happens. Even 3rd Raikage lasted 3 days and nights against 10,000 men, hashi has way more chakra, stamina, and power than him.
 

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Fourth Databook proof!!!

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama in the Nature Elements. All five nature alterations, Hiden (clan techniques), Genjutsu, all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. Hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member
5 Elements - Not even his full power???
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Since Hiruzen was revived at old age, his chakra and power should be as low as before but wait... Tobirama states that the Hokage have been revived "close to original power" this means Hiruzen was revived weaker then he was alive at old age yet he was able to produce the 5 Elements at such mastery. Just imagine his Prime.
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Hiruzen knows and could perform all non KKG Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals =

Broken Ninjutsu versatility

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Hidden Leaf Tech

Neutalizer technique, Bringer of Darkness, Great Clone Explosion and all 8 Gates at will.
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough


Hiruzen (Sarutobi Clan)
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Izunaka Clan
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades

Uzumaki Clan

Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Five Elements Unseal
OP Summoning Monkey King Enma

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The Third hokage's comrade in arms, the monkey king enma's transformation jutsu Characterized by the hardness of diamond and its at-will extensibility, Kongou Nyoi-Bou is Sandaime's"weapon of choice", so to speak and with it in hand he's made it through a world of war for an extended period of time.

Also, when Enma is transformed into Diamond Shifting Staff, it is also possible that he can attack out of his own free will, his claws and fangs add an element of surprise and irregularity. Forged in the fire of battle, its at-will transformation-based attack and defense go beyond the scope of proficiency, to attain the realm of Shinobi "godhood".

-The main method of attack consists in strikes and thrusts that take advantage of its extensibility. The hardness of diamond translates into destructive power.

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Heading:
自在に変幻する堅固なる獄!!
A solid prison that changes shape at will!!

Paragraphs:
金剛如意に変化した猿魔が、さらに�� �身して数十本の如意棒に姿を変え、� ��の四方八方を格子状に取り囲んで捕 縛する術。
After transforming himself into an adamantium staff, Enma clones himself in staff form then boxes the enemy into a lattice.

金剛の堅さを持つ牢壁は決して破る�� �と能わず、捕えられた敵は座して敗� ��の屈辱を知るのみ。
The prison wall with the toughness of adamantium cannot possibly be broken, and the captured enemy is left with nothing but the humility of defeat.

Durability Feats - Super Kage Bunshin???
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Hiruzen has shown to have excellent durability feats at age 69 with his Kage Bunshin as one of his clones was stabbed by Hashirama with 4 Kunai in the chest yet did not disperse until Hiruzen was done with it. He was also able to hold Orochimaru's soul for an hour long despite being stabbed through the chest by the Sword of Kusangi.
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Dangerous CQC
Even past his Prime, Hiruzen had showed excellent Close Quarter Combat skills. Moments after sealing parts of his soul away to seal the Edo Hokage and exhausting his remaining Chakra on Kage Bunshin, he was still able to easily disarm Orochimaru from his Sword of Kusangi with great ease and catch him to prepare his sealing Jutsu. He was also able to easily break through the Shinju branches and save Naruto despite Tobirama and Minato unable to get through.
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Further Hype and Testimonials

Orochimaru admitting that he would be killed by a 59 year old Hiruzen.
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Danzo in his dying moments admitting inferiority despite possessing Izanagi, Kotoamatsukami and Hashirama's DNA.
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Kabuto, a spy who has spied on and knows all about the Shinobi countries states that an old Hiruzen was stronger then all the 5 Kage at the time. Just imagine his Prime.
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Even with the entire SA and 5 Kage, Shikamaru states that only Hiruzen could contend with Guruguru at the time.
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Considers himself to be the strongest in his group which also included Tobirama. Confident enough to take on the entire Kinkaku and survive.
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Extra Databook Hype

"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure
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Wow, he was pretty op.
 
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These are irrelevant side characters that don't matter unless they are team seven.
 

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Why couldn't they find Kushina uzumakis body for Exo tensei yet they got everyone else including fu€King deidera who blew himself up?
Why are some edo tensei bodies young while others are old (hiruzen for example)?
How Dafuq does Hashi die so early?
 

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You know like, how did Hashirama die and who really killed Tobirama?

Was it really Kinkaku and Ginkaku. How was Hashirama alive to teach young Hiruzen and see kid Tsunade use CES?


These and other things Kishi never answered.

Kin and Gin didn't kill Tobirama 20 random ninja did it said so in the manga. If you can't accept that then that's on you.
 

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Tobirama was not old at all when he died and Hashi died passing on the hokage title to tobirama. The timelines dont match at all.

I never said he was old when he died, I said Hiruzen is old enough to have been alive when Hashi was still fairly young. He would've died when Hiruzen was in his early 20s and and Tobirama died a few years after that.

Tsunade graduated academy at 6 so she would've been old enough for Hashi to witness her use CES before his death.

Hashi cant die from lack of life force, chances are the others will die before that happens. Even 3rd Raikage lasted 3 days and nights against 10,000 men, hashi has way more chakra, stamina, and power than him.

Wrong, there's limits to Ashura's power when you don't have Six Path Senjutsu, Hashi was a human not a Jinchuurki. Trees are living organisms therefore using Mokuton constantly relies on the user's life force in order to be used.

Furthermore, he was known to have the same level of healing as Tsunade who proved that healing too much can shorten the life span, he may have been a transmigrant but he was not an Uzumaki which means there would've been limits to the amount of life force he had
 

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Maybe Kishi purposely left all these things out to get his fans to speculate and argue endlessly over the details. Kishi is the troll here.
 

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I never said he was old when he died, I said Hiruzen is old enough to have been alive when Hashi was still fairly young. He would've died when Hiruzen was in his early 20s and and Tobirama died a few years after that.

Tsunade graduated academy at 6 so she would've been old enough for Hashi to witness her use CES before his death.



Wrong, there's limits to Ashura's power when you don't have Six Path Senjutsu, Hashi was a human not a Jinchuurki. Trees are living organisms therefore using Mokuton constantly relies on the user's life force in order to be used.

Furthermore, he was known to have the same level of healing as Tsunade who proved that healing too much can shorten the life span, he may have been a transmigrant but he was not an Uzumaki which means there would've been limits to the amount of life force he had

I find it funny how you classify his power as strictly asura's when he is not asura. Studio Perriot much?That is a bad habit of yours. I never said he cant run out of life force. I was implying that it is highly unlikely for him to be overwhelmed to that point without first finishing them off first considering his incredible power. Truth is you dont know how he died so no use in making a half ass theory like him running out of life force when his half baked cells live on through death on many living shinobi today. Its unrealistic for him. And you cant say healing shortens his life span he doesnt use byakogou.

You said Tobirama was 50 when he didnt look no where near that. Unless Tsunade was some kind of prodigy Hiruzen was a grown ass man when he git his team, he was already hokage which means both first and second are dead while tsunade is 12.
 
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what did Hashi give Sasuke?

What was Madara's MS techniques other than generic genjutsu or Susanoo.

Same question for Izuna.
 

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Ashamed u guys aren't asking who was the child of Harashima and mito Uzumaki

By all regards should have been a powerhouse massive chakra god like next kyuubi Jin next hokage half senju half Uzumaki and should have mokutun and be the next to have Ashura
 

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chakra to neutralize the senjutsu Madara took.
seeing through shadow clones.

Amaterasu.

Seems lame if that was his unique MS jutsu. I know Hashi meant for Sasuke to mess with Madara's sage mode but I wanted to see it in action.
 

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What did Sasuke say to Obito after he and sakura saved him from the desert dimension
 
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