Hashirama and EMS Madara vs Sasuke's Rinnegan Genjutsu

[Kyle storm]

Sasuke's Rinnegan Genjutsu does not need eye-eye contact

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As you can see , Gyuki , Saiken , Cheomi , and Shukaku were all behind Sasuke , so there is n way in hell that he could've made an eye contact with them .

Even Hagoromo was impressed with his Genjutsu , and he managed to do it with just a " glance " .

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A " glance " doesn't mean that Sasuke looked at the bijuu , but the glance is needed for the technique tp be activated .
Remember Kotoamatsukami doesn't need an eye-eye contact , but the " gance " is still needed to activate the Genjutsu

Unless you think you can activate the jutsu when your eyes are closed

So yeah , Sasuke can put both Hashirama and EMS Madara under his control , and there's nothing they can do to prevent this .

The question is : can they break ut f this Genjutsu ???? remember Sasuke has more chakra than both Hashirama and Madara combined , thanks to Hagoromo's chakra .

Discuss guys !

 

[Fartman]

Only emo teen boys like Sasugay

 

[Holy God]

They wouldn't be able to break out of it (at least Hashirama definitely wouldn't be able to), but Sasuke does not have more chakra than Hashirama and Madara combined.

 

[TheSages456]

Sasuke's Rinnegan Genjutsu does not need eye-eye contact

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As you can see , Gyuki , Saiken , Cheomi , and Shukaku were all behind Sasuke , so there is n way in hell that he could've made an eye contact with them .

Even Hagoromo was impressed with his Genjutsu , and he managed to do it with just a " glance " .

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A " glance " doesn't mean that Sasuke looked at the bijuu , but the glance is needed for the technique tp be activated .
Remember Kotoamatsukami doesn't need an eye-eye contact , but the " gance " is still needed to activate the Genjutsu

Unless you think you can activate the jutsu when your eyes are closed

So yeah , Sasuke can put both Hashirama and EMS Madara under his control , and there's nothing they can do to prevent this .

A glance by definition is to take a brief look at something.
The only entities that he has ever caught with this is Sakura(whom wasn't even trying to fight him) and the Biju, so the extent that his genjutsu is being extrapolated here doesn't make any sense.

He couldn't catch Adult Shin, Kid Shin clones, Momoshiki or Kinshiki with it, so how is this genjutsu even a factor against these 2?

The question is : can they break ut f this Genjutsu ???? remember Sasuke has more chakra than both Hashirama and Madara combined , thanks to Hagoromo's chakra .

Discuss guys !

Sasuke doesn't have more chakra than them combined.

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He doesn't even possess more chakra than Madara and he doesn't possess chakra anywhere near Hashirama considering that Kurama's chakra is greater than his in both quantity and quality according to Momoshiki & Kinshiki.

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"It's this one..."
"This one holds the strongest and biggest chakra in this seed-plot."
"My Byakugan sees a fox..."
"Fox, come here".

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What Sasuke hit the Biju with was a simple paralysis genjutsu. Madara likely wouldn't even be affected and Hashirama simply breaks it with a Kai.

 

[Kyle storm]

A glance by definition is to take a brief look at something.
The only entities that he has ever caught with this is Sakura(whom wasn't even trying to fight him) and the Biju, so the extent that his genjutsu is being extrapolated here doesn't make any sense.

He couldn't catch Adult Shin, Kid Shin clones, Momoshiki or Kinshiki with it, so how is this genjutsu even a factor against these 2?



Sasuke doesn't have more chakra than them combined.

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He doesn't even possess more chakra than Madara and he doesn't possess chakra anywhere near Hashirama considering that Kurama's chakra is greater than his in both quantity and quality according to Momoshiki & Kinshiki.

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"This one holds the strongest and biggest chakra in this seed-plot."
"My Byakugan sees a fox..."
"Fox, come here".

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What Sasuke hit the Biju with was a simple paralysis genjutsu. Madara likely wouldn't even be affected and Hashirama simply breaks it with a Kai.

- First of all , let me take a few seconds please to laugh at you for using a filler novel to try to prove something :lmao
I wonder why no one has ever used a Novel as an argument in any Naruto related forums that i ever been in .

- Lol can you stop for once in your life from using bad logic ? Sasuke never went for a genjutsu against Shin or Kinshiki , that doesn't mean that his Genjutsu isn't a factor or that it's not strong

- By this dumbass logic , Sasuke's susanoo isn't a factor against Madara because he didn't use it against Shin .
- By this dumb logic Naruto's avatar isn't a factor because he never used it against Kaguya .
- By this shitty logic , Madara's susanoo isn't a factor because he didn't use it against Killer bee and BM Naruto lmao

A Glance is needed to activate the Jutsu , like Koto for example , it doesn't need an eye contact , but there must be a gance for the jutsu to happen .
Anyway , the scan makes it clear that half the bijuu were in a position where they woud never be abe to make an eye-eye contact with Sasuke .

Sasuke's Rinnegan > Madara's Sharingan , so no Madara isn't breaking of it .
According to the Last , Sasuke's Rinnegan genjutsu has reached an exceptional level , not seeing what Hashirama can do against a Genjutsu from the second strongest Dojutsu in the manga .

Naruto's RSM is Hagoromo's gift (which can only be his own chakra) as stated in the DB , means Naruto kept his chakra , so did Sasuke
Dartabook >>>> Any novel

But i guess , that is to be expected from you anyway , using even filler to prove a point , because you are so scared of the idea that Naruto and Sasuke has hagoromo's chakra

 

[Edogawa]

noun
1.
a brief or hurried look.
"I stole a glance at John"
synonyms: peek, peep, brief look, quick look; glimpse; keek; coup d'œil; informalgander; informaldekko, shufti, butcher's; informalsquiz, geek
"he took a quick glance at his watch"

Consult with Oxford if you disagree with the definition, though your personal opinion is invalid on this case.

Moving on...Since it's a Sharingan: Genjutsu, avoiding eye-contact is all what's needed, or simply breaking flow of Chakra to break from a Genjutsu. Madara can do this via Sharingan; Hashirama has other means, such as clones or preventing eye-contact.

As for Sasuke possessing more Chakra than Madara and Hashirama combined, just lol. Sasuke's Chakra levels are comparable to theirs at best rather than greater. Don't bring up your little ''Hagoromo Yin Chakra'' monkey crap, because I will not address this over again.

You're a sad symbol of failure. You have nothing to do in life other than recreating same threads repeatedly. Don't you have something to do better in life, child?

 

[TheSages456]

- First of all , let me take a few seconds please to laugh at you for using a filler novel to try to prove something :lmao
I wonder why no one has ever used a Novel as an argument in any Naruto related forums that i ever been in .

I don't care why others don't use it. That's not my problem. An official source that's stated to be part of the story will be used, whether you like it or not.

- Lol can you stop for once in your life from using bad logic ? Sasuke never went for a genjutsu against Shin or Kinshiki , that doesn't mean that his Genjutsu isn't a factor or that it's not strong

- By this dumbass logic , Sasuke's susanoo isn't a factor against Madara because he didn't use it against Shin .
- By this dumb logic Naruto's avatar isn't a factor because he never used it against Kaguya .
- By this shitty logic , Madara's susanoo isn't a factor because he didn't use it against Killer bee and BM Naruto lmao

If he could have merely caught them in his genjutsu and end the fight in 1 second, then he would have.

A Glance is needed to activate the Jutsu , like Koto for example , it doesn't need an eye contact , but there must be a gance for the jutsu to happen .
Anyway , the scan makes it clear that half the bijuu were in a position where they woud never be abe to make an eye-eye contact with Sasuke .

A glance by definition means to look at something briefly. This isn't hard to understand. Hagoromo stated that he caught the Biju in genjutsu with a mere glance, which means that he looked at the Biju for a brief moment.

Sasuke's Rinnegan > Madara's Sharingan , so no Madara isn't breaking of it .
According to the Last , Sasuke's Rinnegan genjutsu has reached an exceptional level , not seeing what Hashirama can do against a Genjutsu from the second strongest Dojutsu in the manga .

Sasuke's genjutsu being "exceptional" isn't quantifiable. :|

There are a lot of "exceptional" genjutsu.

Naruto's RSM is Hagoromo's gift (which can only be his own chakra) as stated in the DB , means Naruto kept his chakra , so did Sasuke
Dartabook >>>> Any novel

But i guess , that is to be expected from you anyway , using even filler to prove a point , because you are so scared of the idea that Naruto and Sasuke has hagoromo's chakra

That chakra that Naruto's power came from was Six Paths Power of Light as stated by the VIZ shonen jump.

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Naruto lost that chakra after sealing Kaguya.

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He retained the ability to utilize Six Paths senjutsu even after losing Hagoromo's chakra due to the power of all 9 Biju.

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The Nine Tails was still living inside Naruto. There were also remnants of the other 8 bijuu inside him as well. In that way, you could say he was a human pillar for the power of the Ten Tails. In the last war, Obito had become a human pillar for the Ten Tails and gained chakra rivalling that of the Sage of the Six Paths. Naruto, who’d taken the bijuu into him as well, had some of the Sage’s power even now. His ‘bad feelings’ were different from a normal human’s, and Sakura knew it too.

but he does not retain any Six Paths Power of Light exclusive abilities such as his healing power and fusing the chakra natures of the Biju into his Rasengan.


Why would I be scared of them having a certain type of chakra? It literally wouldn't change their standing at all since their feats would be the same regardless.

I'm simply using all official sources to come to one correct conclusion. The correct conclusion is that Hagoromo's chakra left them after Kaguya's sealing.
Picking and choosing specific information or instances to make your favorite look better is absolutely ridiculous.

You could still claim that Naruto & Sasuke supposedly "stomp everyone" even if they don't have Hagoromo's chakra. You'll still look completely delusional, but not as much as you do now.

Last post here since this discussion as usual, will go nowhere.

 

[deadtor93]

I don't believe Sasuke possesses more chakra tan Madara&Hashirama combined. His chakra is more pwerful but he doesn't possess more.