How powerful is Young Hiruzen ?

[Nidaime Suiton]

Hiruzen's peak.

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We can imagine that Hiruzen was very fast and agile like , and used some powerful elementary jutsu , Hiruzen control the 5 elementary.

Hiruzen can have as support , Enma , who was also to his peak at this time.

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Orochimaru have said that never he would have attacked Konoha if Hiruzen was less old.

So i think that young hiruzen was equal to Tobirama Senju.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

According to ebisu he was pretty f cking strong I guess

 

[SamaSensei]

Young Hiruzen was not Prime Hiruzen, when he was chosen as Hokage he was pretty much on par with Tobirama but eventually he got to a level close to Hashirama

 

[rollin]

he said he was stronger than everyone there but im not sure if that's counting tobirama or not

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[The Great Second Hokage]

I wouldn't compare Hiruzen to Tobirama close but no

 

[Tantalus Thief]

By hype he was god level.

By feats- I'd say mid kage level. Even at an old age, and while not in full power he could counter Zetsu Buddha easily. Imagine how powerful his nature transformation would be at his full power and peak.
Not to mention, it's pretty impressive he can use all 5 elements with no rinnegan/kekka genkai.
The leaf anbu/Enma were very serious when they talked about how weak Hiruzen's chakra was compared to his younger self.

 

[Jiren]

I think he was stronger

 

[Megax Rocker7]

2 or 3 teirs above Kaguya.

#BELIEVETHEHYPE

 

[SamaSensei]

By hype he was god level.

By feats- I'd say mid kage level. Even at an old age, and while not in full power he could counter Zetsu Buddha easily. Imagine how powerful his nature transformation would be at his full power and peak.
Not to mention, it's pretty impressive he can use all 5 elements with no rinnegan/kekka genkai.
The leaf anbu/Enma were very serious when they talked about how weak Hiruzen's chakra was compared to his younger self.

Exactly, in his old age he was +40years past his prime. The fact he was the only Kage compared to Hashi and considered a god of shinobi should tell us that he was a level close to transmigrants

 

[Tantalus Thief]

2 or 3 teirs above Kaguya.

#BELIEVETHEHYPE

There is a reason Madara never f**ked with Hiruzen during the war. U_U.
For real, let's not get too crazy here. It's a shame Kishi decided to nerf Hiruzen during part 2. imo Transmigration really didn't make a lot of sense/the focus on senju/uchiha dynamic took characters out of the chance to be on the spotlight, but Hashi needed more relevance than the dude who created the leaf a long time ago. It's also a shame that he had to nerf the neutralizer technique by disregarding it. Look at the possibilities. U_U

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Hiruzen was able to stop the third coffin in his fight against Orochimaru:

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And while it was later revealed that Minato couldn't be summoned anyway,[SUP]

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[/SUP] it doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen possess an ability capable of suppressing whatever someone else wants to do -- the Neutralizer.


In theory, Hiruzen can...

• neutralize Perfect Susanoo
  
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• neutralize Amaterasu
  
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• neutralize Biju Dama
  
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• neutralize the Shinobi Alliance no Jutsu
  
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• neutralize someone's thought process:
  
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Among several other things.

With such an overpowered technique it's no surprise he was called the God of Shinobi.

 

[Joon]

According to the databook, the outcome would have been different if he was 10 years younger. If he was in his Prime, I doubt Orochimaru would have stand a chance or been as relaxed.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

According to the databook, the outcome would have been different if he was 10 years younger. If he was in his Prime, I doubt Orochimaru would have stand a chance or been as relaxed.

yup. Orochimaru, with all his knowledge/power, still decided to resurrect (albeit weakened) 3 Hokage level ninjas (Minato failed to return but still) just to take out an old Hiruzen.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Powerful enough to be acknowledged by both Hashirama and Tobirama.

 

[SamaSensei]

There is a reason Madara never f**ked with Hiruzen during the war. U_U.
For real, let's not get too crazy here. It's a shame Kishi decided to nerf Hiruzen during part 2. imo Transmigration really didn't make a lot of sense/the focus on senju/uchiha dynamic took characters out of the chance to be on the spotlight, but Hashi needed more relevance than the dude who created the leaf a long time ago. It's also a shame that he had to nerf the neutralizer technique by disregarding it. Look at the possibilities. U_U

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Hiruzen was able to stop the third coffin in his fight against Orochimaru:

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And while it was later revealed that Minato couldn't be summoned anyway,[SUP]

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[/SUP] it doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen possess an ability capable of suppressing whatever someone else wants to do -- the Neutralizer.


In theory, Hiruzen can...

• neutralize Perfect Susanoo
  
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• neutralize Amaterasu
  
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• neutralize Biju Dama
  
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• neutralize the Shinobi Alliance no Jutsu
  
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• neutralize someone's thought process:
  
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Among several other things.

With such an overpowered technique it's no surprise he was called the God of Shinobi.

Neutralizer is basically a type of Yin-Yang jutsu, Tobirama knew about Onmyoudon which suggests he must have witnessed it before, Hiruzen is the only ninja known o have a jutsu that can stop ninjutsu

 

[MickNerks]

All im saying is that an old Hiruzen knew he was stronger than a reanimated 1st and 2nd hokage (and he didnt know they werent at full strength at the time). Orochimaru also even noted that had Hiruzen been younger he would have fodderized orochimaru and the 1st and 2nd.

Its actually a good thing Kishi never let us see a glimsp of Prime Hiruzen because it would have ruined the entire shinobi war plotline when orochimaru resummoned him.

Im mean I know this is from a VG but look at how flawlessly this man blends jutsu together:

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He summoned a Giant Shuriken
Threw it at opponent
Cloned it once it made contact into four smaller shuriken
Did a substitution justu on the smaller once to turn them into shadow clones
And then had each Hiruzen use a seperate element while surrounding the enemy to kill the target.

Hiruzen is the GOAT of justsu

 

[Nidaime Suiton]

It would be funny if Oroshimaru at the 4th War , had resurrected Hiruzen but in his young form.

Madara has been resurrect in his Peak Form but madara just before his death was very old.

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So i think that it's possible to resurrect a shinobi with his peak age.

 

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[InfiniteMugen]

Exactly, in his old age he was +40years past his prime. The fact he was the only Kage compared to Hashi and considered a god of shinobi should tell us that he was a level close to transmigrants

Wait how f cking old was he when he died??

 

[SamaSensei]

Wait how f cking old was he when he died??

Over 70

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Wait how f cking old was he when he died??

69 years old according to Naruto wiki. his prime would be 29 based on Sama's calculations. According to reference.com muscle strength peaks at 25 and plateaus till 35. So that is a repsectabale estimate of Hiruzen's prime.