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The speech is awesome but that he isn't taking control of the crew.....I didn't ask for a scene where usopp did something amazing but something where he acted like the first mate
[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?
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How is motivating the captain to not straight up die not just as good? lmfao
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Thread not over.
I'm saying that Zoro is the unofficial first mate. He might not be recognized as the 1st mate by the crew, but if they were separated from Luffy, he would fill in the role of the leader.
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Yes cause motivating and taking control of the crew are the same thing "lmao".....given the chance EVERYONE from the straw hats would do the same thing
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There is a reason why Oda choose "Zoro" to take Luffy's place at TB. It's because the burden of the crew lies on Zoro's shoulders in Luffy's absence which is a Vice Captain's duty. Anyone who tries to deny this is a cynic and is downright delusional.
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Of course they aren't the same thing, but in terms of contribution and servitude to the crew, they're equally important.
That databook entry also says Zoro is equal in strength to Luffy, which isn't true. Other databooks have said Zoro is "like the vice captain" rather than being exactly the vice captain. It also says in Luffy's absence, Zoro is the first to charge forth, when each Strawhat have shown that trait themselves throughout the course of the series. Not exactly ground-breaking confirmation. "Follows Luffy's orders without hesitation" has also been shown to be not be accurate over the course of the manga as well.
If anything, that just shows that Usopp talks big and Luffy is just an idiot for agreeing. Usopp is practically a coward. How can he be VC when he runs away and is scared everytime he runs into danger? Zoro would be much better running the crew than Usopp.
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All the members have done important things...you still haven't provided ONE thing anyone has done to prove they are vice captains....
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This doesn't contradict the fact that Usopp's speech that motivated Luffy to NOT DIE is just as important as Zoro's speech to motivate Luffy to make the right call as a captain.
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What? How many times has Nami actually done this?
This actually does fit into my overall point tho: The crew has no first mate.
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^^^^^ that and even jinbe has done it as well.....now please provide a situation where Usopp has taken control of the crew
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Zoro has never taken control of the crew. If taking control of the crew=first mate, then Nami is the first mate every time they navigate, and Franky was first mate when he made the decision for the crew to help the Tontottas.
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Apparently you can't read: I'm from the stance that the crew has no first mate. The fact that all of these "major qualifications" can be found in other Strawhats just proves to this point more.
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Luffy seemed pretty serious to me, looking for a cook and discussing the roles of the ship emphasized the importantness of the conversation despite of how laid back it seemed to have been.
And of course, I can argue Sanji would be just as good if not better as VC to his superior intelligence but would that make the closest to being A VC? Clearly not. Zoro while possessing the required brute strength isnt nessecacirly better than usopp at leading or even decision making, perhaps zoro is more level headed byt really aside from that and his strenght what else puts him clearly above the others? And please don't say loyalty, all of the strawhats were ready to die for luffy in thriller park. Also being a coward never, and I mean never, had prevented usopp from doing his duty in the crew or made him disobey luffy, thus while his character may be a coward his actions are clearly nit that of one when shit goes down.
Overall I'm not saying anything direct, just sharing the fact that luffy gave him the permission to handle the job of what seems like a vice captain duty, yall can draw yall own conclusion.
My original take was that most of the strawhats had acted like a vice captain at least once, thus that can be interpreted in two ways
1-they have no VC
2- They all share the duty of it unconsciously and oda did it on purpose
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funny how you keep dodging the point or take to too serious.... but
1. watch the clip again....when zoro gets serious nami knows her place.....
2. he asked luffy....either he give them permission to go all out or he was going by himself....
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