Because i wanted to place Neji in the same scenario 2T Sasuke was in which is why i restrictted them both.
-Neji can anticapte his shunshin with Byakugan and prepare for a blitz before Naruto even moves and was already keeping up with KM Naruto in the CE , He can physically react to his Taijutsu much better than 2T Sasuke and is tiers more skilled , and he wont be blindsided by sheer speed.
This is basically Taijutsu , Naruto no longer has a Shield of Chakra to force Neji to do Kaiten and his jump in stats from the CE to SRA would logically suggest that SRA Neji can surely keep up with a Naruto utilizing more of Kurama's Chakra.
Because i wanted to place Neji in the same scenario 2T Sasuke was in which is why i restrictted them both.
-Neji can anticapte his shunshin with Byakugan and prepare for a blitz before Naruto even moves and was already keeping up with KM Naruto in the CE , He can physically react to his Taijutsu much better than 2T Sasuke and is tiers more skilled , and he wont be blindsided by sheer speed.
This is basically Taijutsu , Naruto no longer has a Shield of Chakra to force Neji to do Kaiten and his jump in stats from the CE to SRA would logically suggest that SRA Neji can surely keep up with a Naruto utilizing more of Kurama's Chakra.
I think you're of the impression the chakra cloak is what made Neji use Kaiten to counter that attack in the CE but i don't think that was the case. The cloak doesn't interact physically outside of Naruto imo and only the sheer strength of Naruto was what made Neji use Kaiten.
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...but it isn't what it looks like tbh.
In the scan before (
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) we see Naruto stomp the ground with so much force it gets rocks airborne. Since its obvious there's an aoe, i think it's safe to assume that stomp created a mini shock-wave and i think that's what Neji immediately reacted to in the next scan and thought the best option to counter that shock-wave and the rocks that come with it would be Kaiten.
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That shock wave is what came in contact with Kaiten imo as Naruto didn't have 2 layers of Kurama chakra cloak and the only cloak we see around Naruto isn't in contact with Kaiten.
I think you're of the impression the chakra cloak is what made Neji use Kaiten to counter that attack in the CE but i don't think that was the case. The cloak doesn't interact physically outside of Naruto imo and only the sheer strength of Naruto was what made Neji use Kaiten.
What made Neji use Kaiten was the sudden increase in speed/power/chakra due to Naruto's emotions giving him even more Chakra , wat he used was Shunshin and this happend simultaneously with the amp he recieved which was enough to expand his Chakra Cloak to the point where when he performed shunshin , the sudden explosion of raw chakra destroyed the ground.
Its also evidenced by the fact that the aoe is perfectly in sync with the damaged section under Naruto meaning the chakra became potent enough to interact physically outside Naruto and this is wat clashed with Kaiten.
The fact that Neji was able to physically clash with Naruto before he unleashed more power and expanded/amped his cloak also helps to cement my claim.
) we see Naruto stomp the ground with so much force it gets rocks airborne. Since its obvious there's an aoe, i think it's safe to assume that stomp created a mini shock-wave and i think that's what Neji immediately reacted to in the next scan and thought the best option to counter that shock-wave and the rocks that come with it would be Kaiten.
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That shock wave is what came in contact with Kaiten imo as Naruto didn't have 2 layers of Kurama chakra cloak and the only cloak we see around Naruto isn't in contact with Kaiten.
The answer to the bold is simple and kishi made sure to explain why Naruto's Chakra shrinked when it made contact with kaiten.
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Kaiten knocks away Chakra , in the scan where they clashed it can clearly be seen that a large portion of chakra from Naruto's side was getting repelled and this same chakra is wat expanded earlier then clashed with Kaiten later , showing that it was physical since it made physical contact with Neji's kaiten and if he lacked that Chakra covering himself , then he would've been sent flying no diff by himself , especially considering he didn't even get to throw his punch before already getting repelled by kaiten.
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Another point i want to bring forward is that KN0 ran directly into Sasuke's fist and got sent flying , but would suffer no such effects is he had a expanded chakra cloak protecting him and enhacning his reach which would force Sasuke to have to avoid him completely.
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That is exactly wat would've happend to KN0 Naruto if he ran into Kaiten without a expanded cloak of Chakra to force a counter balance , so u cant exactly share feats.
Genma also noted that Naruto released some crazy Chakra/power , so at that point Naruto's chakra could interact outside of Naruto.
What made Neji use Kaiten was the sudden increase in speed/power/chakra due to Naruto's emotions giving him even more Chakra , wat he used was Shunshin and this happend simultaneously with the amp he recieved which was enough to expand his Chakra Cloak to the point where when he performed shunshin , the sudden explosion of raw chakra destroyed the ground.
Its also evidenced by the fact that the aoe is perfectly in sync with the damaged section under Naruto meaning the chakra became potent enough to interact physically outside Naruto and this is wat clashed with Kaiten.
The fact that Neji was able to physically clash with Naruto before he unleashed more power and expanded/amped his cloak also helps to cement my claim.
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The answer to the bold is simple and kishi made sure to explain why Naruto's Chakra shrinked when it made contact with kaiten.
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Kaiten knocks away Chakra , in the scan where they clashed it can clearly be seen that a large portion of chakra from Naruto's side was getting repelled and this same chakra is wat expanded earlier then clashed with Kaiten later , showing that it was physical since it made physical contact with Neji's kaiten and if he lacked that Chakra covering himself , then he would've been sent flying no diff by himself , especially considering he didn't even get to throw his punch before already getting repelled by kaiten.
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Another point i want to bring forward is that KN0 ran directly into Sasuke's fist and got sent flying , but would suffer no such effects is he had a expanded chakra cloak protecting him and enhacning his reach which would force Sasuke to have to avoid him completely.
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That is exactly wat would've happend to KN0 Naruto if he ran into Kaiten without a expanded cloak of Chakra to force a counter balance , so u cant exactly share feats.
Genma also noted that Naruto released some crazy Chakra/power , so at that point Naruto's chakra could interact outside of Naruto.
But wasn't Tenten's analysis wrong? Naruto didn't look like he suffered much more damage than Neji did he? And besides, Kaiten knocks away chakra not destroy so why exactly would the cloak shrink?
You say a large portion from Naruto's side was getting repelled? But isn't the flow/movement of that cloak more consistent with the backward motion of air around Naruto due to him going at full speed towards Neji..and besides, the portion isn't that large and shows consistency with the cloak in front of Naruto that i highlighted which if was getting repelled, i see no reason it shouldn't be resting on Naruto's face directly?
Also, Naruto wasn't repelled before he punched if not Neji won't have been repelled either.
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The crater below Naruto in the scan where he and Kaiten come into contact also shows no sign of a cloak around it meaning the stomp from Naruto was what created that crater.
Naruto also specifically states Neji is confident in close combat before charging at him. In this situation, its more like he used the fox's chakra to stimulate his power output and try to end it in one go seeing as at the end of the clash, he no longer had the cloak and Kaiten repels chakra not destroy it.
The initial shockwave from Naruto's movement + the probable shock wave that might come from Naruto's punch + the speed of both is what probably negated Kaiten and repelled Neji also. In his fight with Sasuke, Naruto didn't try to end it all in one go like he attempted to with Neji in the CE by using up all the chakra at once iirc.
But wasn't Tenten's analysis wrong? Naruto didn't look like he suffered much more damage than Neji did he? And besides, Kaiten knocks away chakra not destroy so why exactly would the cloak shrink?
The only part of the analysis that was wrong was the part about Naruto sustaining more damage , not to mention that its a fact that Naruto the guy who stood after getting 64palms was easily more durable than Neji especially when considering he was amped by kuruma.
How can u separate the fact that Kaiten knocks away chakra? , if its knocked away then its basically destoyed in a sense due to the fact that it was removed and dispersed.
You say a large portion from Naruto's side was getting repelled? But isn't the flow/movement of that cloak more consistent with the backward motion of air around Naruto due to him going at full speed towards Neji..and besides, the portion isn't that large and shows consistency with the cloak in front of Naruto that i highlighted which if was getting repelled, i see no reason it shouldn't be resting on Naruto's face directly?
It was clearly shown that it was in fact Kurama's Expanded chakra shield that was getting repelled and u saying the portion isn't that large doesn't make sense because it can clearly be seen that The chakra which expanded a page earlier was in fact wat clashed with the Chakra of Kaiten clearly shown in the middle of their clash.
Also look closely under Naruto's feet during the clash , a pale respresentation of Naruto's chakra can be seen covering the area around him , kishi probably did this so we can clearly see Naruto in the clash , so again another point to help cement my claims.
Both Neji and Naruto were in fact repelled before Naruto threw his punch as u can see in the scan , since the clash of Chakras instantly resulted in the explosion unless u think Naruto punched his own Chakra that was getting repelled in front of him resulting in the explosion , which doesn't make any sense.
The Expanded chakra shield counter balancing Kaiten's spin on impact is wat caused the explosion and resulted in both getting repelled , u cant simply ignore the fact that Naruto's cloak grew much bigger , when he dashed forward it was clearly shown that the expanded cloak was responsible for the destruction below him since it was perfectly in sync with the size of the expanded chakra shield.
The crater below Naruto in the scan where he and Kaiten come into contact also shows no sign of a cloak around it meaning the stomp from Naruto was what created that crater.
That crater was due to the crazy Chakra Naruto unleashed getting repelled by Kaiten and in fact Kishi drew pale representations of Kurama's chakra covering Naruto's whole body during the clash itself if u look closely at the whole scan especially under Naruto's feet.
The crazy chakra Naruto unleashed was wat created the initial crater.
Naruto also specifically states Neji is confident in close combat before charging at him. In this situation, its more like he used the fox's chakra to stimulate his power output and try to end it in one go seeing as at the end of the clash, he no longer had the cloak and Kaiten repels chakra not destroy it.
The initial shockwave from Naruto's movement + the probable shock wave that might come from Naruto's punch + the speed of both is what probably negated Kaiten and repelled Neji also. In his fight with Sasuke, Naruto didn't try to end it all in one go like he attempted to with Neji in the CE by using up all the chakra at once iirc.
So ur literally ignoring the expanded chakra which was totally in sync with the destruction under Naruto's feet? u then go on to ignore the fact that this expanded chakra did in fact physically clash with Kaiten , not Naruto himself and then u go on to say that Naruto punched his own chakra that was getting repelled in front of him?
Kn0 Naruto cant replicate such feats without a chakra roar or a expanded chakra cloak , so u cant share feats with the cloaked version because if u put Kn0 Naruto without a expanded chakra cloak in the same situation , then he gets repelled with no diff at all similar to this.
The only part of the analysis that was wrong was the part about Naruto sustaining more damage , not to mention that its a fact that Naruto the guy who stood after getting 64palms was easily more durable than Neji especially when considering he was amped by kuruma.
Not that it really matters..but Tenten should have been able to at least get a measure of Naruto's durability though seeing as
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despite having his tenketsu closed. Despite seeing this, she still came to the conclusion that he suffered more damage than Neji.
How can u separate the fact that Kaiten knocks away chakra? , if its knocked away then its basically destoyed in a sense due to the fact that it was removed and dispersed.
I'm not sure i understand this part though? Are you saying Kaiten destroyed the chakra? I don't believe Kaiten has Jyuken properties and besides, we clearly still see chakra enveloping Naruto far away from impact point.
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So which is it? Knocked away or destroyed?
It was clearly shown that it was in fact Kurama's Expanded chakra shield that was getting repelled and u saying the portion isn't that large doesn't make sense because it can clearly be seen that The chakra which expanded a page earlier was in fact wat clashed with the Chakra of Kaiten clearly shown in the middle of their clash.
Also look closely under Naruto's feet during the clash , a pale respresentation of Naruto's chakra can be seen covering the area around him , kishi probably did this so we can clearly see Naruto in the clash , so again another point to help cement my claims.
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Both Neji and Naruto were in fact repelled before Naruto threw his punch as u can see in the scan , since the clash of Chakras instantly resulted in the explosion unless u think Naruto punched his own Chakra that was getting repelled in front of him resulting in the explosion , which doesn't make any sense.
The Expanded chakra shield counter balancing Kaiten's spin on impact is wat caused the explosion and resulted in both getting repelled , u cant simply ignore the fact that Naruto's cloak grew much bigger , when he dashed forward it was clearly shown that the expanded cloak was responsible for the destruction below him since it was perfectly in sync with the size of the expanded chakra shield.
I have looked and i don't think i can argue that it wasn't Kurama's chakra that was expanded here:
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but...at this point in the bottom left scan, we see he is still a distance from Neji and based on his footing(right leg on the ground) here and the one in the clash(right leg again) we can safely assume he took two more steps till he reached Neji.
At clash point, i believe he had already stimulated the fox power to increase the output of the punch he was going to give because that expanded chakra had gone back to normal size.
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X is the clash point and if that was an expanded chakra cloak that connected with Neji's kaiten, then shouldn't the chakra surrounding Naruto (indicated by arrows) actually be bigger?
I also don't think that clash created that instant explosion as Naruto was able to make a full sentence with a pause in between in that scan. Something else from Naruto's side was added imo to cause the explosion that repelled them both.
Also, if the chakra cloak was enough (which Naruto definitely couldn't have thought of as that was the first time he was consciously manifesting a cloak), why go in for a punch too?
That crater was due to the crazy Chakra Naruto unleashed getting repelled by Kaiten and in fact Kishi drew pale representations of Kurama's chakra covering Naruto's whole body during the clash itself if u look closely at the whole scan especially under Naruto's feet.
The crazy chakra Naruto unleashed was wat created the initial crater.
I think Naruto made two craters...one was created by the sheer force of Naruto releasing more chakra and the other (the one in front of Neji) was created with his stomp when Naruto concentrated that chakra to increase maximum strength.
If somthing is knocked away , then it means it was removed more or less in this case since it was knocked away as kishi explained.
Sounds similar like repel to me though...or is it a fact that Kaiten destroys chakra too? Naruto didn't seem at all fazed that it was gone + his calling Neji out on his close combat ability before charging in leads me to believe he was looking to end it all with that attack.
So ur literally ignoring the expanded chakra which was totally in sync with the destruction under Naruto's feet? u then go on to ignore the fact that this expanded chakra did in fact physically clash with Kaiten , not Naruto himself and then u go on to say that Naruto punched his own chakra that was getting repelled in front of him?
Kn0 Naruto cant replicate such feats without a chakra roar or a expanded chakra cloak , so u cant share feats with the cloaked version because if u put Kn0 Naruto without a expanded chakra cloak in the same situation , then he gets repelled with no diff at all similar to this.
The expanded chakra site and impact site are two different locations no? And it does look like at impact site, the cloak had shrunk back to its original size.
Its repels Chakra , based on visual representation the Chakra was reflected/removed by Kaiten's ability to negate raw chakra and this ability is different from Kaiten's standard ability to deflect with spinning force as it was mentioned as a later attribute of the "Technique".
Which is exactly my point , His chakra became a shield in which he then used ram into Neji's dome of chakra , which then got reflected back towards Naruto's direction.
I have looked and i don't think i can argue that it wasn't Kurama's chakra that was expanded here:
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but...at this point in the bottom left scan, we see he is still a distance from Neji and based on his footing(right leg on the ground) here and the one in the clash(right leg again) we can safely assume he took two more steps till he reached Neji.
At clash point, i believe he had already stimulated the fox power to increase the output of the punch he was going to give because that expanded chakra had gone back to normal size.
That goes against the direction kishi illustrated to us , if the Cloak went back to normal size before the clash , why would kishi clearly draw to us Kurama's Chakra clashing with and getting reflected by Kaiten???
What exatcly do u think clashed with Kaiten before Naruto threw his punch???
X is the clash point and if that was an expanded chakra cloak that connected with Neji's kaiten, then shouldn't the chakra surrounding Naruto (indicated by arrows) actually be bigger?
Look closely at Naruto's foot , a pale represnation showing us that chakra is surrounding Both Neji and Naruto was given , especially when considering the gaps in Neji's kaiten and knowing that it isn't hollow.
I also don't think that clash created that instant explosion as Naruto was able to make a full sentence with a pause in between in that scan. Something else from Naruto's side was added imo to cause the explosion that repelled them both.
Back in the War Arc Kakashi and Gai were able to Have a full convo after the V2 jins already shunshined towards them and were already no less than 3feet away from them. Kurama's Chakra ramming into Kaiten is wat created the explosion.
Also, if the chakra cloak was enough (which Naruto definitely couldn't have thought of as that was the first time he was consciously manifesting a cloak), why go in for a punch too?
I think Naruto made two craters...one was created by the sheer force of Naruto releasing more chakra and the other (the one in front of Neji) was created with his stomp when Naruto concentrated that chakra to increase maximum strength.
Sounds similar like repel to me though...or is it a fact that Kaiten destroys chakra too? Naruto didn't seem at all fazed that it was gone + his calling Neji out on his close combat ability before charging in leads me to believe he was looking to end it all with that attack.
Repel is a usable word , but its obviously a jyuken ability attribute to Kaiten by kishi , different than its standard ability to deflect by spinning.
Kaiten still made of jyuken Chakra only it isn't forced into the Chakra system like jyuken , but still has a effect on Raw Chakra outside the body nonetheless.
The expanded chakra site and impact site are two different locations no? And it does look like at impact site, the cloak had shrunk back to its original size.
Simply due to it getting reflected , now how does this correlate with KN0 Red eyes Naruto who had no such perks when he fought 3T Sasuke and was noticably restricted from using his Chakra Roars after 3T was unlocked?
Naruto takes this. In the first fight he took it with nothing but Taijutsu and quick thinking, here he has an even bigger boost. Doubt Neji could keep up.
Naruto used more than simple Taijutsu in the first fight as simple taijutsu wasn't enough to pose a problem to Kaiten at all along with the fact that Claoked Naruto had certain perks that Kn0 lacks , same perks he used to clash with Kaiten.
If he can react to a barrage of Daggers point-blank without getting touched while injured and low on Chakra , not to mention anticapte Naruto's shunshin with Byakugan , why would he have trouble keeping up when he too became faster?
Naruto used more than simple Taijutsu in the first fight as simple taijutsu wasn't enough to pose a problem to Kaiten at all along with the fact that Claoked Naruto had certain perks that Kn0 lacks , same perks he used to clash with Kaiten.
From the point where he took on Kyuubi's chakra onward, the one jutsu he used was Shadow Clone. If he did use something to clash with Kaiten, it wasn't a Chakra roar, thus if it a jutsu, its not restricted.
If he can react to a barrage of Daggers point-blank without getting touched while injured and low on Chakra , not to mention anticapte Naruto's shunshin with Byakugan , why would he have trouble keeping up when he too became faster?
Look at the speed in which he hits Sasuke here. Even with the Sharingan, Sasuke is barely able to see where Naruto is coming from , and from the bigger panel, you see he is no more than a blur of movement...and that's on water, which should be slowing Naruto down with its resistance. Yet, he is still able to move in a blur of speed.
Even if Neji did evolve from the Chunin exams, you have to ask by how much. Not much time is shown to have passed, so even if he's gotten better, I doubt he's reached a point where he is able to react to Naruto in his Initial Jinchuuriki mode.
From the point where he took on Kyuubi's chakra onward, the one jutsu he used was Shadow Clone. If he did use something to clash with Kaiten, it wasn't a Chakra roar, thus if it a jutsu, its not restricted.
Look at the speed in which he hits Sasuke here. Even with the Sharingan, Sasuke is barely able to see where Naruto is coming from , and from the bigger panel, you see he is no more than a blur of movement...and that's on water, which should be slowing Naruto down with its resistance. Yet, he is still able to move in a blur of speed.
Even if Neji did evolve from the Chunin exams, you have to ask by how much. Not much time is shown to have passed, so even if he's gotten better, I doubt he's reached a point where he is able to react to Naruto in his Initial Jinchuuriki mode.
Using that scan to visually deduce that Naruto would blitz Neji is like me using this scan to say that Haku could blitz CE Neji because of how it was drawn.
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SRA Neji's reaction has been shown and portrayed way above 2T Sasuke , the daggers he evaded were all literally point-blank and coming in waves from all angles with split second intervals which Neji was succesfully able to exploit , the tight reaction timing and mental reaction required to pull such a feat easily puts SRA Neji's reaction/reflex way above 2T Sasuke and CE Neji by far in terms of raw feats and his Taijutsu skills was already tiers above Sasuke's.
Using that scan to visually deduce that Naruto would blitz Neji is like me using this scan to say that Haku could blitz CE Neji because of how it was drawn.
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SRA Neji's reaction has been shown and portrayed way above 2T Sasuke , the daggers he evaded were all literally point-blank and coming in waves from all angles with split second intervals which Neji was succesfully able to exploit , the tight reaction timing and mental reaction required to pull such a feat easily puts SRA Neji's reaction/reflex way above 2T Sasuke and CE Neji by far in terms of raw feats and his Taijutsu skills was already tiers above Sasuke's.
Well, Haku is very much underrated, but that's beyond the topic.
The two situations are different here though. In one of them, Neji has one major advantage, that being that he can very clearly see where every single projectile is coming at a distance, giving him more time to react, even if he's still forced to do so at a moment's notice. The same speed perception that allowed him to identify where Naruto would land helps him a lot here.
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However, on the other case, Naruto is constantly moving all around him. He is not approaching from a distance like the projectiles in the previous panel, and unlike them, can change his movements as he wishes, unlike the projectiles being shot at Neji. Its much harder for Neji to pinpoint where and when he'll strike due to that.
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My argument is thus that the same ability that allowed Neji to predict where those kunai were coming from at a distance wouldn't help him predict Naruto's movement were he in a situation like the one Sasuke was in, as shown above, making it that much harder for him to dodge those blows.
Depends on if ur gonna take everything at face value , his references to Naruto seemed more geared towards Naruto's whole and inner character in its entirety.
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In a logical fight Kidomaro would kill CE Naruto without any trouble , also good to note is that even tho Neji regarded them as stronger than himself , it doesn't mean he cant win the fight , also stated by Neji himself.
