Perfect Jins don't stand a chance, Hebi Sauce
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Well the discussion is about Hebi Sasuke against perfect jins and not restricted to MS Sasuke only. I highlighted the kenjutsu battle because neither of them needed to hold back in a kenjutsu battle and yet Sasuke lost to Bee and again we're talking about Hebi Sasuke in general and not MS Sasuke. And what nerf are you talking about, it was a four against one fight and if not for Sasuke's team helping him out repeatedly, Sasuke would've been dead. And how is it a nerf when Sasuke had the MS in place of the CM. Are you by some chance saying that CM > MS. Itachi gave Sasuke a superior power compared to CM and sealed Sasuke's CM for obvious reasons. The nerf card is getting really old. Whenever Sasuke fans can't counter logically they immediately play the nerf card...xd.
Same during VoTE 2, Kishi gave Sasuke 8.5 bijuu + the intent to kill against an opponent who was only trying to stop Sasuke without killing him and yet when he lost Sasuke fans are quick to cry that he was nerfed lol. That's sad really, instead of countering arguments with logic or accepting when they're wrong Sasuke fans prefer playing the nerf card....
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yes, enton and susan would be needed to defeat B, my point is that people keep thinking it's "MS" sasuke that was solo'ed when clearly majority of the fight it was a sasuke that was weaker than every form sasuke in shippuden.
yes, hebi sasuke but i'm including the one that faced B since 1) he never recovered from his fight with itachi. 2) it was mostly 3T sharingan. honestly that is about as close as hebi can get. actually no, now that I think about it, hebi doesn't even take place till after he absorbed orochimaru. so really this would be a weaker oneWell the discussion is about Hebi Sasuke against perfect jins and not restricted to MS Sasuke only. I highlighted the kenjutsu battle because neither of them needed to hold back in a kenjutsu battle and yet Sasuke lost to Bee and again we're talking about Hebi Sasuke in general and not MS Sasuke. And what nerf are you talking about, it was a four against one fight and if not for Sasuke's team helping him out repeatedly, Sasuke would've been dead. And how is it a nerf when Sasuke had the MS in place of the CM. Are you by some chance saying that CM > MS. Itachi gave Sasuke a superior power compared to CM and sealed Sasuke's CM for obvious reasons. The nerf card is getting really old. Whenever Sasuke fans can't counter logically they immediately play the nerf card...xd.
Same during VoTE 2, Kishi gave Sasuke 8.5 bijuu + the intent to kill against an opponent who was only trying to stop Sasuke without killing him and yet when he lost Sasuke fans are quick to cry that he was nerfed lol. That's sad really, instead of countering arguments with logic or accepting when they're wrong Sasuke fans prefer playing the nerf card....
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CQC wise. as for the 4 vs 1 excuse, 1) karin didn't fight. 2) they're all weak and their leader is reduced to pre-hebi lvl. that's like saying hebi sasuke vs team yamato. therefore team yamato should have the advantage (even thou we all know naruto was weakened prior to the fight).
yes MS > CM. however, here's the underlining point. out of sasuke's abilities, it's pretty obvious that his susanoo is the only one that increases his tier level. without that, he does not get stronger. he can't counter SM w/frog kata, he can't deal with raikage, it can't mess with B unless full Bijuu mode. it's his susanoo that makes sasuke stronger, the better the stage the stronger sasuke becomes. am i wrong? killer B says that sasuke "was the toughest person he has faced" <--that same toughest person is the most weakened sasuke timeline in shippuden to date. lol.
sasuke was much better off with having orochi's/curse seal physical boost (which tanked one of deidara's bombs), have full control over snakes and ability to have extra chakra. the ONLY time that MS actually mattered was when he shot that amaterasu against that huge ass target bijuu. that was it. you could argue that his MS:genjutsu contributed to holding him down, but then again it's effectiveness was no better than itachi's 3T that captured B. so really the question had to be asked, what exactly did sasuke gain for his fight against B?
as for the 8.5. meh, if i was sasuke I'd take all 6paths over extra chakra anyday. what's the point of having the chakra that would just cancel out naruto's when you can just absorb the ninjutsu instead :lol or better yet, imagine having that 8.5 and using shinra tensei :lol
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I thought we were talking about hebi sasuke. I don't see him being KB, who would even wreck SM Naruto from the Pain Arc.yes, enton and susan would be needed to defeat B, my point is that people keep thinking it's "MS" sasuke that was solo'ed when clearly majority of the fight it was a sasuke that was weaker than every form sasuke in shippuden.
yes, hebi sasuke but i'm including the one that faced B since 1) he never recovered from his fight with itachi. 2) it was mostly 3T sharingan. honestly that is about as close as hebi can get. actually no, now that I think about it, hebi doesn't even take place till after he absorbed orochimaru. so really this would be a weaker one
as for the 4 vs 1 excuse, 1) karin didn't fight. 2) they're all weak and their leader is reduced to pre-hebi lvl. that's like saying hebi sasuke vs team yamato. therefore team yamato should have the advantage (even thou we all know naruto was weakened prior to the fight).
yes MS > CM. however, here's the underlining point. out of sasuke's abilities, it's pretty obvious that his susanoo is the only one that increases his tier level. without that, he does not get stronger. he can't counter SM w/frog kata, he can't deal with raikage, it can't mess with B unless full Bijuu mode. it's his susanoo that makes sasuke stronger, the better the stage the stronger sasuke becomes. am i wrong? killer B says that sasuke "was the toughest person he has faced" <--that same toughest person is the most weakened sasuke timeline in shippuden to date. lol.
sasuke was much better off with having orochi's/curse seal physical boost (which tanked one of deidara's bombs), have full control over snakes and ability to have extra chakra. the ONLY time that MS actually mattered was when he shot that amaterasu against that huge ass target bijuu. that was it. you could argue that his MS:genjutsu contributed to holding him down, but then again it's effectiveness was no better than itachi's 3T that captured B. so really the question had to be asked, what exactly did sasuke gain against his CQC with B?
as for the 8.5. meh, if i was sasuke I'd take all 6paths over extra chakra anyday. what's the point of having the chakra that would just cancel out naruto's when you can just absorb the ninjutsu instead :lol
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And that's why his team was there to help him, Sasuke didn't fight alone. Even a full MS Sasuke won't be able to beat KB if he were to fight Bee alone. So the point is, there is no form of Hebi Sasuke that can wreck a perfect jin like Killer Bee even if Sasuke was fully recovered and going for a kill. The idea itself is crazy.yes, enton and susan would be needed to defeat B, my point is that people keep thinking it's "MS" sasuke that was solo'ed when clearly majority of the fight it was a sasuke that was weaker than every form sasuke in shippuden.
yes, hebi sasuke but i'm including the one that faced B since 1) he never recovered from his fight with itachi. 2) it was mostly 3T sharingan. honestly that is about as close as hebi can get. actually no, now that I think about it, hebi doesn't even take place till after he absorbed orochimaru. so really this would be a weaker one
as for the 4 vs 1 excuse, 1) karin didn't fight. 2) they're all weak and their leader is reduced to pre-hebi lvl. that's like saying hebi sasuke vs team yamato. therefore team yamato should have the advantage (even thou we all know naruto was weakened prior to the fight).
yes MS > CM. however, here's the underlining point. out of sasuke's abilities, it's pretty obvious that his susanoo is the only one that increases his tier level. without that, he does not get stronger. he can't counter SM w/frog kata, he can't deal with raikage, it can't mess with B unless full Bijuu mode. it's his susanoo that makes sasuke stronger, the better the stage the stronger sasuke becomes. am i wrong? killer B says that sasuke "was the toughest person he has faced" <--that same toughest person is the most weakened sasuke timeline in shippuden to date. lol.
sasuke was much better off with having orochi's/curse seal physical boost (which tanked one of deidara's bombs), have full control over snakes and ability to have extra chakra. the ONLY time that MS actually mattered was when he shot that amaterasu against that huge ass target bijuu. that was it. you could argue that his MS:genjutsu contributed to holding him down, but then again it's effectiveness was no better than itachi's 3T that captured B. so really the question had to be asked, what exactly did sasuke gain for his fight against B?
as for the 8.5. meh, if i was sasuke I'd take all 6paths over extra chakra anyday. what's the point of having the chakra that would just cancel out naruto's when you can just absorb the ninjutsu instead :lol or better yet, imagine having that 8.5 and using shinra tensei :lol
As for the VoTE 2 Sasuke with 8.5 bijuu, I am sure you'd go with the 6 paths Sasuke since he lost with 8.5 bijuu lol...
had he won with the 8.5 bijuus none of the Sasuke fans would say this.
I don't know why you keep bringing up Sasuke trying to capture bee but that is also a good point. Sasuke was also injured I know you still butthurt about vote 2 and I don't how that's relevant when Naruto still ended up using strongest attack and the rest of the bijuu don't compare to kurama anyways. If you swap Naruto with 8.5 bijuu and no bijuu assistance. Give Sasuke kurama with bijuu assistance and the result is the same or Sasuke wins cause Naruto can't use bijuu without their help.
But I repeat myself now I didn't even mention Sasuke holding back just that he lost a lot of abilities after the Itachi fight
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My issue is you're saying Naruto was holding back because the lack of killing intent, but after Sasuke unveiled Indra's Arrow Naruto had no choice but to fight full force & they ended up with a draw.I agree that he used dual RS, but tell me this, how do you expect Naruto to counter a 8.5 bijuu powered Indra's arrow without resorting to some powerful technique or are you saying he should've just let him get hit by Sasuke's attack. If you read the VoTE 2 battle again then you'll see that while Sasuke targetted his IA towards Naruto, Naruto only use the dual RS to counter IA he didn't use them against Sasuke....
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Well did Naruto target Sasuke with his strongest attacks? No. He only used the Twin RS to counter Indra's arrow which was targetted directly at Naruto.
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Lol, how do you expect him to defend against someone who is using 8.5 Bijuus. Holding back doesn't mean he'd do nothing.