[Question] Judge?

[chopstickchakra]

So the clash with Sanji got me thinking, is Judge weaker than Vergo's haki or has Sanji improved that much since PH? The manga made sure to draw attention to the fact that Sanji's leg didn't break like it did against Vergo, do you think this was intended to be a showing that Sanji has surpassed where he was at PH already or showing that Germa may not be as strong as they're being built up to be?

 

[loj]

TBH I don't think Judge would have won without his gadgets

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Nah, Sanji was just not as injuried as he was in PH, and he used haki. Speed/reflex wise Judge preformed much better than vergo currently, since sanji couldn't even get one cleab hit on him while he made vergo bleed twice without getting hit himself(aside from the leg crack clash which only happened because blocked instead of dodging with that Injuried body)

 

[chopstickchakra]

TBH I don't think Judge would have won without his gadgets

Idk he did catch one of Sanji's kicks and throw him back. Plus it looked like the rounded-ness of his armor was keeping Sanji's kicks from landing too flush.

Nah, Sanji was just not as injuried as he was in PH, and he used haki. Speed/reflex wise Judge preformed much better than vergo currently, since sanji couldn't even get one cleab hit on him while he made vergo bleed twice without getting hit himself(aside from the leg crack clash which only happened because blocked instead of dodging with that Injuried body)

Hmm, so you think if Sanji had met Vergo prior to anything else he'd have won or just not got his leg broke? I don't really recall Sanji's body going through a lot prior to meeting Vergo but I may need to reread to see if I get the same impression after familiarizing myself with the scenes.

 

[Olorin]

Imo germa should't be strong to begin with (well, not at this poin in the manga), we alredy know all the big players, Oda shouldn't just come up with new random ones, let us stick to the Yonko, Supernovas, the Sichibukai, the top Marines, maybe a few ppl in the world govt, the top revs and probably the CP ppl but that's it, we don't need any new top tier characters/positions introduced, let us breeze through germa (only as far as Sanji's character is concerned) and focus on BM

 

[YellowFang]

Imo germa should't be strong to begin with (well, not at this poin in the manga), we alredy know all the big players, Oda shouldn't just come up with new random ones, let us stick to the Yonko, Supernovas, the Sichibukai, the top Marines, maybe a few ppl in the world govt, the top revs and probably the CP ppl but that's it, we don't need any new top tier characters/positions introduced, let us breeze through germa (only as far as Sanji's character is concerned) and focus on BM

Very correct indeed, no need to introduce more and more big players.
And CP is WG...

 

[Olorin]

Very correct indeed, no need to introduce more and more big players.
And CP is WG...

i know CP works for the WG, but if u wanna call all of them WG than you have to call the marines WG as well, by WG I meant the elders and Kong, Marines and CP are seperate in that sense

 

[Magi]

TBH I don't think Judge would have won without his gadgets

Well that's kinda irrelevant cause that's Germa's fighting style

 

[loj]

Well that's kinda irrelevant cause that's Germa's fighting style

I haven't taken that from them I'm just saying that I don't think he'd be as strong as he is now without the gadgets

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Imo germa should't be strong to begin with (well, not at this poin in the manga), we alredy know all the big players, Oda shouldn't just come up with new random ones, let us stick to the Yonko, Supernovas, the Sichibukai, the top Marines, maybe a few ppl in the world govt, the top revs and probably the CP ppl but that's it, we don't need any new top tier characters/positions introduced, let us breeze through germa (only as far as Sanji's character is concerned) and focus on BM

How the hell are the supernova top tier?

 

[Olorin]

How the hell are the supernova top tier?

I think it should be fairly obvious that my post isn't refering specifically to the current point in the manga but all the chapters from now on, we don't need any new big players, we have more than enough, better yet we have known all of them (or at least that they existed) since before the TS, no need for random new characters/positions/organizations, the main point is that something like this shouldnt happen at this point: ''the legendary random ass pirates that fought Roger tralala and their captain is yonko level but we never mentioned them before'' we have the Yonko and we have the Sichibukai, no need to make random new stuff up, same with any other organization, we have the ones that matter, the marines, CP and the wg, the pirates (specifically the yonko, the sichi and the worst gen) and the revs ...

no need for this random new Germa to be prominent, the current villain are 2 of the yonko (3 if u count BB) and the last major villain was doffy, all of whom are at the very top of the OP world and we have known all of themsince before the TS, it would be stupid if Germa was as threatening as them or as prominent, itshould only matter as far as Sanji's development and past are concerned, no need for them to be extremely powerful

 

[MickNerks]

From what I gathered from the manga, Sanji didn't use Haki against Vergo which is why his leg broke. I think Sanji is far stronger than his brothers and father. Sanji ate all of his fathers attack and seemed unphased when he was pushed back by his fathers attacks. A basic kick from Sanji left a visable damage on the

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, so Im sure a serious Sanji would have taken him down with ease.

 

[Hexuze]

Vergo has shown some of the best uses of CoA so far so I think Judge is weaker than his haki. At the same time, it's safe to assume that Sanji has improved since PH...

 

[ToshiZO]

Judge's attack power is utter trash from what we've seen, not even close to Vergo in that department.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You all seem to be forgetting that Sanji's body was damaged prior to fighting Vergo. It's not a good scenario to gauge his abilities from.

 

[Relostar Devil]

So the clash with Sanji got me thinking, is Judge weaker than Vergo's haki or has Sanji improved that much since PH? The manga made sure to draw attention to the fact that Sanji's leg didn't break like it did against Vergo, do you think this was intended to be a showing that Sanji has surpassed where he was at PH already or showing that Germa may not be as strong as they're being built up to be?

Germa is weak in my opinion...Without gadgets they are shit plus North blue don't have any formidable pirate crew and admirals around and still want help from younkou...Crazy weak they are...

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Sanji trumps his whole family, that much should be obvious in my opinion... How he would have powered up since PH is beyond me, I doubt he has at all, just not at the chance to give everything he's got because of circumstances.

 

[bajram]

No one was going for the kill there and especially Judge who needs Sanji desperately for him to achieve his goals but overall Judge should be mid-high VA level I dont see him being stronger since the mans main motive is a blue sea and yet he still has difficulties in actually ruling over it nothing points toward them being some super-duper strong dudes I mean Big Mam probably just wants their fighting technology otherwise I dont see the use of germa 66.

 

[HashiraMadara]

How the hell are the supernova top tier?