Double Rinnegan Sage mode Madara vs Double Mangekyou Sharingan Kakashi

[Kyle storm]

Location : deidara vs sasuke

knowledge : non

ristrections : nothing

- This is alive Madara (not a juubi jinchuriki) with double Rinnegan and Hashirama's sage mode

- This is double Mangekyou Sharingan Kakashi

 

[DHOH]

Location : deidara vs sasuke

knowledge : non

ristrections : nothing

- This is alive Madara (not a juubi jinchuriki) with double Rinnegan and Hashirama's sage mode

- This is double Mangekyou Sharingan Kakashi

Kakashi wins...Madara has no answer for Kamui

 

[Scryed]

Kakashi Mid dif.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

Kakashi wins...Madara has no answer for Kamui

Yeah because Kakashi has an answer to 4 Limbos?
Limbos + More powerful PS makes this Madara's win.

 

[Selan]

Kakashi easily wins, an hypothetical Alive Madara with Dual Rinnegan + SM lacks the base stats to even compete with any God Tier (Kaguya, Kakashi, Naruto, Sasuke, Gai, Obito etc). Juubi Madara is much more powerful than SM + Rinnegan Madara, and still Juubi Madara is trash to Kaguya, who had her techniques easily countered by Kakashi, who could also easily defend from her and counterattack and wound her.

Madara dies by Kamui Raikiri blitz, Kamui Shuriken spam, long range Kamui GG and so on. Linbo isn't doing shit here, Juubi Madara's Linbo (much faster than SM Madara's Linbo, since a Juubi powered body is much faster than a SM powered body, and Linbo is a clone with the same physical stats of the user) it is much slower than Rinnegan Sasuke, who was too slow to do anything against Kaguya's S/T, which Kakashi completely outspeeded with his long range Kamui. So Kamui GG happens far faster than Linbo. Not to mention that Kakashi camping in Perfect Susanoo or with intangibility makes that useless in first places, and by spamming Rikudo Perfect Susanoo slashes all around he can trash the Linbo clones anyway. Not that it does even matters, as Kamui GG is faster, by feats.

 

[Kyle storm]

Kakashi wins...Madara has no answer for Kamui

Kakashi has no answer for Limbo either .........

 

[Oblivionx]

Kakashi wins with ease. Rikudo characters can't be compared with non rikudo.. (i know many think having rinnegan means having rikudo chakra but that is not nearly good enough as we have seen nagato and pre jin madara were nowhere the level of rikudo characters). Limbo will be sensed or may be even seen since kakashi has rikudo chakra but in worst case, PS and intangibility takes care of it.. And madara has nothing on kamui....

 

[Kyle storm]

Kakashi wins with ease. Rikudo characters can't be compared with non rikudo.. (i know many think having rinnegan means having rikudo chakra but that is not nearly good enough as we have seen nagato and pre jin madara were nowhere the level of rikudo characters). Limbo will be sensed or may be even seen since kakashi has rikudo chakra but in worst case, PS and intangibility takes care of it.. And madara has nothing on kamui....

I agree with the six paths chakra part , having the Rinnegan doesn't mean having six paths chakra , however , the Rinnegan itself contains a powerful chakra , that even Obito who possess half of his body of Hashirama's DNA coul barely handle one Rinnegan

So the Rinnegan chakra is very potent , add to it Indra chakra , and Madara's own chakra + Hashirama's sage mode , while Kakashi only possesses a small portion of low qulity six paths chakra from Obito , Kakashi is outclassed in terms of chakra reserve if you ask me
No , only the Rinnegan and six paths sage mode can see and sense Limbo , unfortunatly , Kakashi has non of this .

 

[Oblivionx]

I agree with the six paths chakra part , having the Rinnegan doesn't mean having six paths chakra , however , the Rinnegan itself contains a powerful chakra , that even Obito who possess half of his body of Hashirama's DNA could barely handle one Rinnegan

So the Rinnegan chakra is very potent , add to it Indra chakra , and Madara's own chakra + Hashirama's sage mode , while Kakashi only possesses a small portion of low qulity six paths chakra from Obito , Kakashi is outclassed in terms of chakra reserve if you ask me
No , only the Rinnegan and six paths sage mode can see and sense Limbo , unfortunatly , Kakashi has non of this .

yeah that's what am saying even that low amount of six paths chakra kakashi got from obito is > anything madara or any non rikudo character for that matter has. rinnegan's chakra is inferior by a large margin as we saw no boost from madara with just rinnegan. And madara always had indra's chakra which was nothing extra ordinary to be compared to rikudo chakra. And hashirama was also a non rikudo character, his sage mode doesn't save madara in any way. And about limbo, i won't say kakashi can't sense it at all.. But even if he can't he has intangibility worth 5 minutes at the very least.. which is enough time to finish off madara. His PS would be stronger, stats would be better, strength speed everything.. madara has nothing on kakashi. And madara has no counter to kamui.. he will give a fight but this version of kakashi is too hax for him that's why i'll term it as mid diff battle for kakashi.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

Kakashi wins with ease. Rikudo characters can't be compared with non rikudo.. (i know many think having rinnegan means having rikudo chakra but that is not nearly good enough as we have seen nagato and pre jin madara were nowhere the level of rikudo characters). Limbo will be sensed or may be even seen since kakashi has rikudo chakra but in worst case, PS and intangibility takes care of it.. And madara has nothing on kamui....

You make me laugh.

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Seriously I must make this a signature or something! Madara Rinnegan has the Sage's chakra = Rikudo chakra. 2016 and people have not learnt this. Which means Rinnegan SM Madara is a Rikudo Character!

Also Limbo can only be seen by Rinnegan and sensed by RSM! Kakashi has neither so he has no counter to the 4 Limbos.

 

[Edogawa]

yeah that's what am saying even that low amount of six paths chakra kakashi got from obito is > anything madara or any non rikudo character for that matter has. rinnegan's chakra is inferior by a large margin as we saw no boost from madara with just rinnegan.

You shouldn't post anything if all of your post is speculation without official proof.

OT: Databook IV states that double Rinnegan are the true power of Hagoromo, which points out that it's superior to even Rikudou Senjutsu, which Kakashi got a tiny fraction of.

''An excellent opportunity came to fruition…!! Recovering the “Rinnegan” for both of his eyes, Madara unleashes the true power of the Six Paths! '' - Main Body, databook IV.

Kakashi attempts to Kamui Madara, he teleports Limbo instead; then any time he is intangible, Limbo punch bags from the other dimension. It's literally a perfect counter to Kamui. Madara has superior Susanoo, and can absorb or repel any of his Ninjutsu.

 

[Oblivionx]

You make me laugh.

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Seriously I must make this a signature or something! Madara Rinnegan has the Sage's chakra = Rikudo chakra. 2016 and people have not learnt this. Which means Rinnegan SM Madara is a Rikudo Character!

Also Limbo can only be seen by Rinnegan and sensed by RSM! Kakashi has neither so he has no counter to the 4 Limbos.

lol yeah you should.. i wonder if you can read properly though.. didn't you see what i wrote next to this sentence in brackets?

You shouldn't post anything if all of your post is speculation without official proof.

OT: Databook IV states that double Rinnegan are the true power of Hagoromo, which points out that it's superior to even Rikudou Senjutsu, which Kakashi got a tiny fraction of.

''An excellent opportunity came to fruition…!! Recovering the “Rinnegan” for both of his eyes, Madara unleashes the true power of the Six Paths! '' - Main Body, databook IV.

Kakashi attempts to Kamui Madara, he teleports Limbo instead; then any time he is intangible, Limbo punch bags from the other dimension. It's literally a perfect counter to Kamui. Madara has superior Susanoo, and can absorb or repel any of his Ninjutsu.

yeah did i say hogoromo didn't have rinnegan? nagato had rinnegan too so he too is top tier character? in fact where did i deny anything you said about rinnegan in your post? keep your hurt butt to yourself bro. I did say rinnegan produces some kind of rikudo chakra but it's no match for jubi's chakra (that kakashi got) or six paths chakra (that sasuke got) or six paths senjutsu (that naruto got). What did madara without jubi show that makes you think he can compete with the likes of jubito, sasuke, naruto, kaguya or kakashi? Come on, i'll wait. show me 1 feat of madara without jubi that will make him an equal of characters mentioned above. Anything, speed, strength, offense, defense anything. Hashirama had dual rinnegan madara pinned down lol.. (and i know he was edo but he had all the rinnegan perks)

now on to your last argument. Limbo. Okay first lets go with your strategy. Madara sends in limbo for himself in to kamui land. Did you not know that limbo needs to return to original body every once in a while? What will happen when it can't return? Kakashi may not be able to see limbo but he can see real madara. and kakashi is way faster than this madara. That includes technique execution. That means kakashi's techniques are faster than madara and that means kamui tears madara in half before madara can substitute limbo for himself.. And now that i think about him how does madara even benefit from this? Because kakashi uses kamui to tear his opponent apart not to send them to kamuiland like obito.. And do you know if limbo gets hurts, it hurts madara too when it goes back to madara? Naruto hurt limbo and when it went back to him, madara's arm was bruised. And we know kakashi can hurt limbo for a fact because sasuke was able to and so was naruto... Not to mention kamui PS and kamui raikiri with which he blitz kaguya.

Lol more i think more your argument gets destroyed. What makes you think kakashi doesn't have six paths senjutsu? Obito gave him chakra right? Where did obito get rikudo chakra from? Jubi yes and what do we call jubi's chakra? Nature energy yes. And what did madara tell naruto and sasuke? Yes that he has both six paths senjutsu (due to jubi) and rinnegan. So apparently it was six paths senjutsu and with this your argument is destroyed.

 

[Holy God]

Madara wins with medium-high difficulty. Anyone who tries to decide the fight based on the "amount of Six Paths chakra" is simple-minded. Madara's chakra itself is equivalent to Hagoromo's anyways, so it's invalid. The same goes for anyone who tries to say Kakashi has a time limit.

Their Perfect Susano'o should be around equivalent. From what we've seen, Kakashi can't use Kamui on his entire avatar, so there's no advantage there. Kamui Shuriken are intercepted by Madara's swords. With Limbo he can overpower Kakashi's Perfect Susano'o, since they have the power to knock around Tailed Beasts.

In close-quarters, the winner is obvious, especially since Madara has the superior sensing and eyes, as well as Rinnegan techniques to improve his fighting style and the Wood Style to have control over the environment. Kamui Raikiri is countered by Limbo. Kakashi has to be tangible in order to hit Madara, so at the moment he does he gets wrecked.

Kamui cannot be used so freely for Kakashi. If he uses it on Madara or clones, he instantly loses since he won't be able to become intangible since there'd be fighters on both sides. As far as I know, Kamui can only be used on whole objects, since the only times it's been used to split was when it was interrupted.

 

[Oblivionx]

Madara wins with medium-high difficulty. Anyone who tries to decide the fight based on the "amount of Six Paths chakra" is simple-minded. Madara's chakra itself is equivalent to Hagoromo's anyways, so it's invalid. The same goes for anyone who tries to say Kakashi has a time limit.

Their Perfect Susano'o should be around equivalent. From what we've seen, Kakashi can't use Kamui on his entire avatar, so there's no advantage there. Kamui Shuriken are intercepted by Madara's swords. With Limbo he can overpower Kakashi's Perfect Susano'o, since they have the power to knock around Tailed Beasts.

In close-quarters, the winner is obvious, especially since Madara has the superior sensing and eyes, as well as Rinnegan techniques to improve his fighting style and the Wood Style to have control over the environment. Kamui Raikiri is countered by Limbo. Kakashi has to be tangible in order to hit Madara, so at the moment he does he gets wrecked.

Kamui cannot be used so freely for Kakashi. If he uses it on Madara or clones, he instantly loses since he won't be able to become intangible since there'd be fighters on both sides. As far as I know, Kamui can only be used on whole objects, since the only times it's been used to split was when it was interrupted.

Are you saying madara without jubi is an equivalent of hogoromo?
And long rang kamui or in simpler terms kakashi's kamui can be used to rip things apart. He was going to kamui jus the head of jubi before obito intercepted and he cut of deidara's arm and he put a hole in madara's TSB not kamuid the whole armor.. That's enough evidence that he could use kamui however he wants.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kakashi stomps with the lowest of difficulty. Madara and his ps gets sniped.

 

[Holy God]

Are you saying madara without jubi is an equivalent of hogoromo?
And long rang kamui or in simpler terms kakashi's kamui can be used to rip things apart. He was going to kamui jus the head of jubi before obito intercepted and he cut of deidara's arm and he put a hole in madara's TSB not kamuid the whole armor.. That's enough evidence that he could use kamui however he wants.

If we're assuming Hagoromo only has the Rinnegan and Six Paths Sage Mode (no ten-tails), Madara should be around his level.

Kamui shouldn't be able to tear things or else he'd be able to easily defeat Kaguya by himself. He can't use Kamui on the entire Demonic Statue because of it's size so obviously it'd fail and only do the head or a fraction of it. It also only teared Deidara's arm because of a failure. He planned to use it on him entirely. Putting a hole in the Truth-Seeking Sphere is due to his blindness and the fact that if he was able to do the whole thing it'd only put Madara in a safe place.

Even if it was possible, it's still countered anyways.

 

[Kyle storm]

If we're assuming Hagoromo only has the Rinnegan and Six Paths Sage Mode (no ten-tails), Madara should be around his level.

Kamui shouldn't be able to tear things or else he'd be able to easily defeat Kaguya by himself. He can't use Kamui on the entire Demonic Statue because of it's size so obviously it'd fail and only do the head or a fraction of it. It also only teared Deidara's arm because of a failure. He planned to use it on him entirely. Putting a hole in the Truth-Seeking Sphere is due to his blindness and the fact that if he was able to do the whole thing it'd only put Madara in a safe place.

Even if it was possible, it's still countered anyways.

@Bold , unless Madara is the Juubi jinchuriki , which he isn't in this fight , he is no where near Hagoromo in terms of chakra reserve , not even close .
Kakashi can not defeat Kaguya with Kamui even if she let him , because :
- She's immortale
- She can regenerate any part of her body
- She can see and sense the build up for Kamui before it happens
- She can escape Kamui's dimention with extreme ease thanks to her Yomotsu Hirasaka or Ame No Minaka , the two best space time Ninjutsu in the Manga
I agree with the rest of your post .

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

lol yeah you should.. i wonder if you can read properly though.. didn't you see what i wrote next to this sentence in brackets?

You said 2 things that contradict each other. What you think is irrelevant. And the Madara you saw before JJ had only one eye. If that was Double Rinnegan SM Madara then he would have 4 Limbos instead of one, all Six Path Techs, more powerful PS with Rikudo Chakra. One Eyed Madara's feats are good since he was restricted from using his full power which comes with both Rinnegan eyes. The power difference between one eye and 2 eyes is huge. (1 Limbo (one eye) ---> 4 Limbos (2 eyes)) Kakashi has no counter to 4 Limbos. Madara on the other hand has SM and the Limbos and PS to defend himself.

 

[Holy God]

@Bold , unless Madara is the Juubi jinchuriki , which he isn't in this fight , he is no where near Hagoromo in terms of chakra reserve , not even close .
Kakashi can not defeat Kaguya with Kamui even if she let him , because :
- She's immortale
- She can regenerate any part of her body
- She can see and sense the build up for Kamui before it happens
- She can escape Kamui's dimention with extreme ease thanks to her Yomotsu Hirasaka or Ame No Minaka , the two best space time Ninjutsu in the Manga
I agree with the rest of your post .

I never said Madara is close to Hagoromo's chakra quantity. That's still impossible though for you to quantify since you're only reasoning is because he's the son of Kaguya.

The regeneration of a Holy Tree host is not instant. By what we've seen in the manga, Kamui is fast enough to finish before Naruto moves an inch, so Kaguya probably can't react. If he is able to rip her head off she won't have control of her body and no defense with just a head. Her RinneSharingan would get crushed and her head/body sealed individually.

 

[Edogawa]

yeah did i say hogoromo didn't have rinnegan? nagato had rinnegan too so he too is top tier character? in fact where did i deny anything you said about rinnegan in your post? keep your hurt butt to yourself bro. I did say rinnegan produces some kind of rikudo chakra but it's no match for jubi's chakra (that kakashi got) or six paths chakra (that sasuke got) or six paths senjutsu (that naruto got). What did madara without jubi show that makes you think he can compete with the likes of jubito, sasuke, naruto, kaguya or kakashi? Come on, i'll wait. show me 1 feat of madara without jubi that will make him an equal of characters mentioned above. Anything, speed, strength, offense, defense anything. Hashirama had dual rinnegan madara pinned down lol.. (and i know he was edo but he had all the rinnegan perks)

now on to your last argument. Limbo. Okay first lets go with your strategy. Madara sends in limbo for himself in to kamui land. Did you not know that limbo needs to return to original body every once in a while? What will happen when it can't return? Kakashi may not be able to see limbo but he can see real madara. and kakashi is way faster than this madara. That includes technique execution. That means kakashi's techniques are faster than madara and that means kamui tears madara in half before madara can substitute limbo for himself.. And now that i think about him how does madara even benefit from this? Because kakashi uses kamui to tear his opponent apart not to send them to kamuiland like obito.. And do you know if limbo gets hurts, it hurts madara too when it goes back to madara? Naruto hurt limbo and when it went back to him, madara's arm was bruised. And we know kakashi can hurt limbo for a fact because sasuke was able to and so was naruto... Not to mention kamui PS and kamui raikiri with which he blitz kaguya.

Lol more i think more your argument gets destroyed. What makes you think kakashi doesn't have six paths senjutsu? Obito gave him chakra right? Where did obito get rikudo chakra from? Jubi yes and what do we call jubi's chakra? Nature energy yes. And what did madara tell naruto and sasuke? Yes that he has both six paths senjutsu (due to jubi) and rinnegan. So apparently it was six paths senjutsu and with this your argument is destroyed.

Your post is as moronic as your 4th grade grammar.

Six Paths Chakra is either what the Rinnegan produces or Rikudou Senjutsu produces A principle of discussion is to provide official proof for speculation, otherwise, your claims are invalid. Claiming that the Six Paths Chakra produced from Madara's Rinnegan is somehow different from the Six Paths Chakra has no sense of words. You will need to provide official materials that the Six Paths Chakra Madara produces is different from what Rikudou-powered characters shown.

Jin Obito (who possessed greater Six Paths Senjutsu than Kakashi) could not defeat Naruto and Sasuke, yet Rinnegan Madara babyshaked the Hokages and killed Naruto and Sasuke in seconds. There you go.

If you can't support your baseless speculations with official proof, then don't expect another reply from me. Madara low-diffs Kakashi.