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No I didn't, which is further proof he was using BSM not RSM.



There's no such thing as RSM with Kurama chakra only because Six Path Senjutsu is the combination of the chakra of all 9 bijuu



This is exaclty why I'm saying he wasn't using Six Path Senjutsu, if Naruto and Sasuke used Hagoromo's power there would be no plot for Boruto movie because anyone below JJ Madara is fodder
Databook never says that Six Paths Senjutsu is a combination of 9 bijuu. It says its a divine state gifted by Hagaromo. He didnt give Naruto the 9 bijuu. He gave him RSM. The powers merged to make the Ultimate RSM with Goudodama
 

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Rikudou Sage Mode is the form Naruto accesses when he uses Hagoromo's power. He fuses that with either the Tailed Beasts, or Kurama's power.

It's really that simple. The reason why Naruto's form changes depends on what power he channels with Rikudou Senjutsu.
 

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Because he still has Hagoromo's chakra in base mode just like Sasuke, Hagoromo's chakra alone doesn't activate RSM which is why he can still use normal SM and BM. In order to activate RSM he uses the chakra of all 9 bijuu because Six Path Senjutsu is Juubi chakra.
You just proved him right. He powers up his frog Sage Mode with the Six Paths in his body. Thats why his latest BM have no pigmentation. In essence its RSM with just Kurama.

And btw Hago gifted him with Six Paths Senjutsu. Not the bijuus. Its just stronger with the 9 bijius fused with it, which once fused brings about rikuodo senjutsu themselves.

Hamura, Hagoromo, Toneri, and Ashura all had RSM without having the juubi or bijuus.
 

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That seems to be the case cause according to most the base he lost RSM while Kuchinawa got to keep all his abilities. If Naruto doesn't have RSM then that means 3 paths Kuchinawa is equal to BSM Naruto.
 

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Databook never says that Six Paths Senjutsu is a combination of 9 bijuu. It says its a divine state gifted by Hagaromo. He didnt give Naruto the 9 bijuu. He gave him RSM. The powers merged to make the Ultimate RSM with Goudodama
It's a gift in any sense Hagoromo made the Biju's physically manifest inside Naruto, thus allowing him to use their powers; prior to that, Naruto had their Chakra but could not call upon it. Databook also says Amenotejikara is given to Sasuke by Hagoromo, yet he's not listed a user of it nor does he have the same Rinnegan as Sasuke's.

There are two confusions here: the movie and RSM.

What is canon is the story-line of the movie; anything edited in the movie which contradicts the official material is not canon; this means Rasengan being yellow or Boruto's Rasengan thrown and can hit enemies at state of disappearance is not canon. Kishimoto merely wrote the story-line for the movie, but he does not edit the animation - this is done by the animators.

RSM is a power granted by the Jubi, which is how Hagoromo, Madara and Obito obtained it after becoming hosts; Naruto uses it because he's persuedo-Jinchuriki, utilising the Chakra's of all Biju's. What you saw in the movie was BSM.
 
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It's a gift in any sense Hagoromo made the Biju's physically manifest inside Naruto, thus allowing him to use their powers; prior to that, Naruto had their Chakra but could not call upon it. Databook also says Amenotejikara is given to Sasuke by Hagoromo, yet he's not listed a user of it nor does he have the same Rinnegan as Sasuke's.

There are two confusions here: the movie and RSM.

What is canon is the story-line of the movie; anything edited in the movie which contradicts the official material is not canon; this means Rasengan being yellow or Boruto's Rasengan thrown and can hit enemies at state of disappearance is not canon. Kishimoto merely wrote the story-line for the movie, but he does not edit the animation - this is done by the animators.

RSM is a power granted by the Jubi, which is how Hagoromo, Madara and Obito obtained it after becoming hosts; Naruto uses it because he's persuedo-Jinchuriki, utilising the Chakra's of all Biju's. What you saw in the movie was BSM.
Kishi drew and designed the RSM Naruto used in Gaiden with normal non fiery hair and Sage Mode with no pogmention aka RSM eyes.

Hamura, Toneri, Hagoromo, and Ashura all had Six Paths Senjutsu without tailed beasts. Six Paths Senjutsu is a divine state gifted by SIX PATHS CHAKRA aka Hagoromos chakra in Narutos case.

Hagoromo didnt give Naruto any bijuu.

The 9 bijuu do give birth to six paths senjutsu when merged, but thats only one way of obtaining RSM. Hagoromo can give it directly.

The RSM given to Naruto merged with his bijuu power(Kyuubi eyes). All other bijuus merged with his bijuu kyuubi also.
 
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You just proved him right. He powers up his frog Sage Mode with the Six Paths in his body. Thats why his latest BM have no pigmentation. In essence its RSM with just Kurama.

And btw Hago gifted him with Six Paths Senjutsu. Not the bijuus. Its just stronger with the 9 bijius fused with it, which once fused brings about rikuodo senjutsu themselves.

Hamura, Hagoromo, Toneri, and Ashura all had RSM without having the juubi or bijuus.
Wrong, Ashura had Juubi chakra which is why he had BM which can only be used with bijuu chakra

Hagoromo and Hamura inherited Kaguya's chakra which is Juubi chakra because Kaguya is the Juubi

Madara had Sage Mode with Hagoromo's chakra but needed he Juubi to awaken Six Path Senjutsu


Naruto is able to use normal SM which proved that SM alone doesn't produce RSM chakra


Moral of the story : Six Path Senjutsu is Juubi chakra therefore requires having the 9 bijuu


Naruto used BSM enhanced by Hagoromo's chakra just like Madara had Hashi's Sage mode enhanced by Sage chakra, neither of them were able to produce Si Path Senutsu without the 9 bijuu because they weren't born with Juubi chakra or Kaguya's chakra like Otustsuki
 

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Wrong, Ashura had Juubi chakra which is why he had BM which can only be used with bijuu chakra

Hagoromo and Hamura inherited Kaguya's chakra which is Juubi chakra because Kaguya is the Juubi

Madara had Sage Mode with Hagoromo's chakra but needed he Juubi to awaken Six Path Senjutsu


Naruto is able to use normal SM which proved that SM alone doesn't produce RSM chakra


Moral of the story : Six Path Senjutsu is Juubi chakra therefore requires having the 9 bijuu


Naruto used BSM enhanced by Hagoromo's chakra just like Madara had Hashi's Sage mode enhanced by Sage chakra, neither of them were able to produce Si Path Senutsu without the 9 bijuu because they weren't born with Juubi chakra or Kaguya's chakra like Otustsuki
So you agree that Six Paths powers up his Senjutsu. But denies it being RSM with just Kyuubi.

Sir the databook clearly states RSM being a divine state granted by Hagoromos SIX PATHS POWER. Not the juubi.

Ashura doesnt have Juubi chakra, nor does Indra. They have powerful chakra and links to the juubi of course. But their chakra signature is NOT that of the juubi or its bijuu components. So no juubi chakra is not recquired. Toneri also has no juubi chakra.

Six Paths Senjutsu is granted by Six Paths. The goudodama Naruto uses comes from the 9bijuu and generate more Rikudou senjutsu for him. But the basic is this.
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Ths Six Paths Power is merged with his innate Frog Senjustu and Kyuubi Chakra. This is but one form of his RSm which comes in stages as shown in the databook.

He also used it in gaiden.
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And fyi Juubi Chakra equates to Six Paths. Which intantly proves me right. Only Six Paths is need for Six Paths Senjutsu. Six Paths is the high tier chakra Chakra diety's use.

Also Madara never had a SM buffed by Six Paths the chakra in his head released Six Paths and gave birth to Rinnegan. Thats it.
 
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That's RSM without the cloak and it's powered by the chakra of all the bijuu which is why he can use their KKG
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This is what RSM cloak looks like, note how the TSB activate automatically
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When Madara is referring to Six Path Senjutsu the panel zooms on Naruto's back
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Because the symbol on his back is the same symbol all the other Six Path Senjutsu users have along with TSB
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No thats RSM powered with only kurama chakra without cloak, hence the kurama sage eyes without pigmentation. Naruto simply channelled son's power for his attack. Hence the "Son lend me your chakra" :sigar:
 

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What is that scan trying to prove? Wrong page?
How can it mean "nothing? Physical energy is produced by the body, hashirama dna enhances it as said in the scan i posted.
Madara and obito's shows those strength enhancements as well(Obito crushing rocks, madara blocking bm naruto's attack). I don't know if it does enhance speed but it might play a role.
Physical energy =chakra and stamina.. That's it.
 

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Lol. That means absolutely nothing.. We all know Hashirama's DNA didn't enhance no one physical strength or speed..
You both right. Physical energy does equate to life energy and stamina as well as boosting literal physical traits.

Hashirama is prime proof of this. His every cells is loaded with physical energy. Naruto only reaches Hashi's feats while using Kurumas chakra.

Normally Naruto does not compare.
 

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Kishi drew and designed the RSM Naruto used in Gaiden with normal non fiery hair and Sage Mode with no pogmention aka RSM eyes.
Irrelevant. If hr can't call upon the Biju's Chakra - Youton: Rasenshuriken for example - then it's not RSM.

Hamura, Toneri, Hagoromo, and Ashura all had Six Paths Senjutsu without tailed beasts. Six Paths Senjutsu is a divine state gifted by SIX PATHS CHAKRA aka Hagoromos chakra in Narutos case.
Hagoromo obtained it by , which is why Truth Seeker Ball and his cloak changed; prior to that, . .

Hagoromo didnt give Naruto any bijuu.
He made them physically manifest inside Naruto, thus utilising their Chakra's for RSM and KKG. Why is this hard to understand?

The 9 bijuu do give birth to six paths senjutsu when merged, but thats only one way of obtaining RSM. Hagoromo can give it directly.
Addressed.

The RSM given to Naruto merged with his bijuu power(Kyuubi eyes). All other bijuus merged with his bijuu kyuubi also.
Irrelevant.
 

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Irrelevant. If hr can't call upon the Biju's Chakra - Youton: Rasenshuriken for example - then it's not RSM.



Hagoromo obtained it by , which is why Truth Seeker Ball and his cloak changed; prior to that, . .



He made them physically manifest inside Naruto, thus utilising their Chakra's for RSM and KKG. Why is this hard to understand?



Addressed.



Irrelevant.
You just said Hago passed it to Asura lol. He did the same to Naruto.

Hamura was never a juubi jin, nor was Toneri, and Hago had TSB and RSM staff BEFORE becoming Juubi Jin.

You say alot of irrelevant things that arent even true bro try again.

You dont need 9 bijuus for RSM. You call Kishi DRAWINGS irrelevant. Are you retarded? Go read post #49 and dont message me back.

Truth Seeker Balls come when a person is OVERFLOWING with Six Paths Senjutsu. 9 bijuus merging can cause this great upset and sprout TSB.

Naruto was in RSM in base form before. Tsb only came when he manifested bijuu chakra which brought about the overflow and his Ultimate RSM form.

He can still use RSM just like Sasuke can use his Rinnegan. He can mix match his forms and has done it many times.
 
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Ok so I looked through a bit and didn't find what I was looking for so I'll ask, if the pic that Michael showed that the databook says is rsm is rsm then is the form he used to fight kaguya and at vote2 for a bit just him in rsm using his bsm with the 9 tailed beast chakra?
 

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Naruto is currently fueling all his modes with six path senjutsu hence the fact he has no eye pigments in his BSM /RSM forms currently naruto has not accessed his tsb or other bijuu power since vote 2 so hes using six paths senjutsu to fuel kurama so its a BRSM a mix almost
 
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Ok so I looked through a bit and didn't find what I was looking for so I'll ask, if the pic that Michael showed that the databook says is rsm is rsm then is the form he used to fight kaguya and at vote2 for a bit just him in rsm using his bsm with the 9 tailed beast chakra?
that is correct...ignore all the other bullshit fanfic posted by senseless-sama and the dragon *****
 
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Lol,95% OF THE NB MEMBERSjust can't seem to comprehend,simple manga and databook facts. Ir's simple naruto hasn't shown rsm since vote two. If you think what he used in gaiden and boruto movie was rsm,you're just simple minded and don't possess the ability to think critically and look beneath the surface.
 

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Where are we getting the idea that Naruto & Sasuke have Hagoromo's chakra at all when Sasuke's Chidori is blue instead of black?

The only time they had Hagoromo's chakra was when they possessed the Sun & Moon seals and the chakra in the seals was released upon using Six Paths CT. The seals then returned to Hagoromo.
Actually they have rikudou chakra but in a different way. Sasuke's possesses rikudou chakra in his dojutsu,while naruto's body possesses rikudou chakra when he's in his rsm mode.
 

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Rikudou Sage Mode is the form Naruto accesses when he uses Hagoromo's power. He fuses that with either the Tailed Beasts, or Kurama's power.

It's really that simple. The reason why Naruto's form changes depends on what power he channels with Rikudou Senjutsu.
It's sad that even when simplified to a childs comprehensive level, people here still don't understand. XD
 
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