Ashura reincarnates

[Jiren]

Hashirama was simply stronger. You don't have to parallel Ashura completely to transmigrant, but have his ideology of peace through love or cooperation. Same with Indra, peace through might. All of the transmigrants followed their ideology.

This plus Madara already planned on losing so he could come back with more power to solo everyone including Hashirama. I give Hashi props because he's only asura reincarnate to actually perform a solo with his own abilities

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

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I dont get it what am i missing here

Well you did make this thread based on filler so I understand why you don't get it....

 

[Holy God]

Madara could have won their last fight but intended on losing in order to get away with his DNA. There's no denying though that before gaining Perfect Susano'o he could not compare and always either lost or tied. Hagoromo most likely had a hand in this when you consider that he told Naruto and Sasuke that "this time" he'd give power to both of the transmigrants, instead of just leaving it to Ashura to stop Indra.

 

[123fire]

Never use filler as a reference because it's not canon, in the manga Hagoromo made it clear Ashura awakened the same level of power as Indra through hard training, in other words Six Path Senjutsu was his own natural power and wasn't given to him.

You do know they fought more than one time as said by Hagoromo in the episode right? Maybe the other times ashura had equal powers?

See how you aren't careful and spit nonsense? She think slowly don't go to conclusions this fast...

 

[Jokule67]

Naruto never said he was weaker than MS Sasuke.

He said "power isnt enough to beat Sasuke, Inside him is..." he sensed the brothers grudge tying them together. He sensed Indra inside him, and Sasuke sensed Asura inside him so he ran to get EMS while Naruto ran to tame the kyuubi.

 

[Jokule67]

Madara could have won their last fight but intended on losing in order to get away with his DNA. There's no denying though that before gaining Perfect Susano'o he could not compare and always either lost or tied. Hagoromo most likely had a hand in this when you consider that he told Naruto and Sasuke that "this time" he'd give power to both of the transmigrants, instead of just leaving it to Ashura to stop Indra.

Hago had no part in the history of transmigrants b4 Naruto/Sasuke.

Plus what made Madara equal to Hashi was his Kyuubi Summoning and Izanagi, not PS. Perfect Susano'o just made him a threat, but Hashi can counter with Wood Golem easily

 

[V h o]

Hago had no part in the history of transmigrants b4 Naruto/Sasuke.

Plus what made Madara equal to Hashi was his Kyuubi Summoning and Izanagi, not PS. Perfect Susano'o just made him a threat, but Hashi can counter with Wood Golem easily

Madz wasn't equal even with kurama, he retreated after losing his summon even.

 

[wanderingcactus]

Ive been thinking about this and all of them were in need of help bar hashirama some people may get salty but hear me out ashura himself needed rsm his father and all the disciples of ninshu just to match an ms indra ? While hashi on the other hand had always been better than madara and even with ems and the kyuubi hashi matched him amd DECISIVELY defeated him with his own strength moving on to naruto he was always inferior to sasuke and even admitted to himself and his peers that without the kyubbi (an outside source) naruto could not stand up to sasukes power with ms in the end 9bijuu plus the eyes equaled 9 bijuus plus the body (vote2) but even here naruto didnt decisively claim victory they were both in the same condition missing an arm thats not a victory its a stalemate so this all brings me to ask what the hell was so special about hashirama?? He was the only ashura reincarnate who didn't use other sources of power even ashura himself didn't do this

Ashura vs Indra stalemate
Sasuke vs naruto stalemate
Madara vs hashi hashi solos?

I dont get it what am i missing here

eh.. youre not far from the truth really.

So the whole ordeal is basically Mind V Body right?

intangible v physical.

So the reason why we perceive Ashura was inferior to Indra was that because he needed help, which he did at first.

That's because the body (symbolically speaking) needs to grow and mature. So Indra is superior to Ashura.

Indra reached his peak way waaay earlier than Ashura hence he is the talented son.

but in the end, when both finally reached their peak, it was a stalemate.

There are times where they would transmigrate as well and the winner is inconclusive as we dont have any background info about them.

only 2 other significant generations.

Hashirama v Madara.

Sasuke v Naruto.

Hashirama's generation we can simply conclude that he won. but not by a lot.

So we can safely say that there are some cases that Indra's transmigrant also win in some generations and other Ashura would win.

The reason why Naruto and Sasuke is pegged as a "draw" is because that was the final one.

the one which Indra and Ashura started and needed to end. basically a parallel in which needed an alternate ending.

Although I would say Sasuke was suppose to win that one. Naruto certainly had a HUGE disadvantage but managed to pull though with Kurama. If he hadn't, he surely wouldve lost as Sasuke has no handicap.

Naruto is extremely talented and could by far wouldve surpassed Hashirama but instead hindered by Kurama and so any help that he received was rejected by Kurama.

EX: Ma and Pa's senjutu boost. Therefore any help received by Naruto is stricly denied by Kurama.

Thats why Sasuke couldve easily won.

If kurama was out of the picture, Naruto wouldve utilized his latent powers such as chakra chains and such.

So without that huge handicap, Naruto wouldve won. With Kurama still opposing, Naruto wouldve failed.

Kurama cooperating, stalemate.

Thats the reason why its

Indra = Ashura
Hashirama > Madara
Naruto = Sasuke