Ashura reincarnates

[Uchiha boii]

Ive been thinking about this and all of them were in need of help bar hashirama some people may get salty but hear me out ashura himself needed rsm his father and all the disciples of ninshu just to match an ms indra ? While hashi on the other hand had always been better than madara and even with ems and the kyuubi hashi matched him amd DECISIVELY defeated him with his own strength moving on to naruto he was always inferior to sasuke and even admitted to himself and his peers that without the kyubbi (an outside source) naruto could not stand up to sasukes power with ms in the end 9bijuu plus the eyes equaled 9 bijuus plus the body (vote2) but even here naruto didnt decisively claim victory they were both in the same condition missing an arm thats not a victory its a stalemate so this all brings me to ask what the hell was so special about hashirama?? He was the only ashura reincarnate who didn't use other sources of power even ashura himself didn't do this

Ashura vs Indra stalemate
Sasuke vs naruto stalemate
Madara vs hashi hashi solos?

I dont get it what am i missing here

 

[90sKids98]

Hashirama was a god, simple as that

 

[Styles]

Hashirama didn't really beat Madara. Hashirama used a Mokuton bunshin but Madara also used Izanagi you can say Hashirama won but also a somewhat draw.

But as history goes in Naruto.

Indra = Ashura.
Hashirama > Madara.
Naruto = Sasuke.

 

[DHOH]

Mokuton was the huge difference.. Hashirama is on a hole other level just because of Mokuton.

 

[Uchiha boii]

Hashirama didn't really beat Madara. Hashirama used a Mokuton bunshin but Madara also used Izanagi you can say Hashirama won but also a somewhat draw.

But as history goes in Naruto.

Indra = Ashura.
Hashirama > Madara.
Naruto = Sasuke.

Now that you mention it i see what you mean but still hashi walked away while madara was lying down sasuke vs naruto didnt end like that at vote 2 and I believe ashura And indra had their bodies destroyed in the battle either way i feel like ashura and naruto were not as powerful as hashirama

 

[lndra]

Hashi solos lol

 

[Ricardo]

Put this in perspective.

Hashirama and Madara fought till they ran out of chakra. The fight was sorted out in taijutsu. Hashirama technically didn't beat Madara.
Madara had the upper hand, he was going to give Hashirama the finishing blow but it was a wood bunshin instead. Hashirama went for the finishing blow but Madara had izanagi so Hashirama was put in a genjutsu.

Ashura and Indra's fight ended with both of them dying. They turned to ash. Naruto and Sasuke were out of chakra when they used their chidori and rasengan and their arms got blown off, Ashura and Indra did the same but they most likely went all in with a single blow.

Naruto and Sasuke fought till they ran out of chakra, they finished the fight with taijutsu and a classic chidori-rasengan blow.

 

[DHOH]

No not really.. The only reason Hashirama and Madara fight ended the way it did because Hashirama dint want to kill Madarad in the beginning of the fight.. Hashirama definitely could've won with SS.

 

[SenseiSama]

Never use filler as a reference because it's not canon, in the manga Hagoromo made it clear Ashura awakened the same level of power as Indra through hard training, in other words Six Path Senjutsu was his own natural power and wasn't given to him.

 

[Uchiha boii]

Put this in perspective.

Hashirama and Madara fought till they ran out of chakra. The fight was sorted out in taijutsu. Hashirama technically didn't beat Madara.
Madara had the upper hand, he was going to give Hashirama the finishing blow but it was a wood bunshin instead. Hashirama went for the finishing blow but Madara had izanagi so Hashirama was put in a genjutsu.

Ashura and Indra's fight ended with both of them dying. They turned to ash. Naruto and Sasuke were out of chakra when they used their chidori and rasengan and their arms got blown off, Ashura and Indra did the same but they most likely went all in with a single blow.

Naruto and Sasuke fought till they ran out of chakra, they finished the fight with taijutsu and a classic chidori-rasengan blow.

So basically your saying they all were stalemates? But even so madara states multiple times only hashi can stop me he tells his dad hashi is stronger and so on and so forth while indra on the other hand was always supeior to ashura in everything as was sasuke to naruto it seems like hashi was just meant to stand out

 

[Uchiha boii]

Never use filler as a reference because it's not canon, in the manga Hagoromo made it clear Ashura awakened the same level of power as Indra through hard training, in other words Six Path Senjutsu was his own natural power and wasn't given to him.

I didn't quote the anime the manga states indra was a genius and ashura was good for nothing and it states hagaromo only shared his power with ashura in the past meaning yes he did get a handout

 

[Sasuke The Solo God]

I didn't quote the anime the manga states indra was a genius and ashura was good for nothing and it states hagaromo only shared his power with ashura in the past meaning yes he did get a handout

Wrong.

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[SenseiSama]

I didn't quote the anime the manga states indra was a genius and ashura was good for nothing and it states hagaromo only shared his power with ashura in the past meaning yes he did get a handout

Wrong, the manga states Indra was a genius at birth and Ashura was a good for nothing when he was kid, when he grew up his power bloomed through hard training and he awakened equal power as Indra

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If Ashura was given a hand out after his power bloomed he would've been superior to Indra and not his equal and therefore would've won the fight which isn't the case

 

[Uchiha boii]

Wrong.

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Lol theirs another scan that says he was a good for nothing and the scan you show supports what im saying look at all the people behind him indra is solo

 

[rollin]

Ashura awakened his own bodily chakra eventually
The proof is Hashi

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Ive been thinking about this and all of them were in need of help bar hashirama some people may get salty but hear me out ashura himself needed rsm his father

pretty much stopped reading here...nice use of ****ing fanfic...also nice use of fanfic AGAIN with that naruto quote:

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[SenseiSama]

Lol theirs another scan that says he was a good for nothing and the scan you show supports what im saying look at all the people behind him indra is solo

Use some logic , Hagoromo was comparing Ashura's initial power to Indra's, as children Indra was strong while Ashura was weak and relied on co-operation to perform the same feats as his older bro.

But as they grew up Ashura's power bloomed through hard training and he awakened RSM which gave him equal power to Indra meaning he no longer needed to rely on co-operation.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Now that you mention it i see what you mean but still hashi walked away while madara was lying down sasuke vs naruto didnt end like that at vote 2 and I believe ashura And indra had their bodies destroyed in the battle either way i feel like ashura and naruto were not as powerful as hashirama

wtf? Naruto and Ashura neg Hashirama. Madara is just weaker than Indra and Sasuke.

 

[Styles]

Now that you mention it i see what you mean but still hashi walked away while madara was lying down sasuke vs naruto didnt end like that at vote 2 and I believe ashura And indra had their bodies destroyed in the battle either way i feel like ashura and naruto were not as powerful as hashirama

The thing is though is that Madara used Izanagi once he was stabbed but instead of doing it like Danzo does he did a time lapse Izanagi because he already did what he wanted by getting Hashirama's DNA.

 

[V h o]

Hashirama was simply stronger. You don't have to parallel Ashura completely to transmigrant, but have his ideology of peace through love or cooperation. Same with Indra, peace through might. All of the transmigrants followed their ideology.