Why can't anyone accept this logic?!?!?

[InfiniteMugen]

I'd hate to see the mess our literal 2 filler defenders would get themselves into in a bleach forum... They act as if naruto is the only anime people call fillers on, bleach is king on that sh t

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Except we aren't complaining 123 is? He is the one who keeps bringing it up. We don't say anything about it until those who accept the filler material as canon start complaining about why we don't want to acept fillers as canon. The very purpose of fillers is to "fill" in what the manga didn't cover with material otherwise not in the manga. This includes made up characters that, if you notice, are never ever present in the manga at anytime. This can create plot holes or even rewrite certain events and facts that are in the manga.

This is why we do t all accept fillers as canon.

Just for the record, i dont accept all fillers as canon, although some have served to 'wrap up' the story, which are the fillers that i think are acceptable. I guess that then makes the whole thing subjective.

Aside from a few minor things (i.e. Indras MS, Hagoromos Susanoo, etc) the Kaguya and SO6P backstory have been quite good and i personally think it would be acceptable to take it as canon. It is a shame Kishi ran out of time and wasnt able to provide us with SO6P backstory himself; as he had hyped the character throughout the manga. I always said... the time he spent going on about "Rin... Rin... RIN" could have been used instead to give us Hagoromos hackstory.

So 'fillers' filling in these things (including Itachi, Kakashi, and Uchiha Clan backstories, as well as the backstory of Hanabi Hyuuga) in my opinion have been fair and are things Kishi actually should have done himself.

That aside. There have been some absolutely ridiculous fillers. Ninja Ostrich, Voyage to Turtle Island, Road to TenTen; not to mention the upcoming episode: "An 'S' Ranked Mission".... An 'S' Ranked Mission?? WTF NOBODY CARES ABOUT SOME FODDER S RANKED MISSION. GET BACK TO CANON! KMT

So yeah... dont get me wrong. I would like to return to Canon. But i personally enjoyed the recent 'Fill-In' Fill-er

 

[davidou]

Because we just wanna get back to the story that we finished years ago to be animated already. If sp wants to pull apart every detail and fact in the manga then fine but just do it after the f cking vote2 fight. This is like those news stations that troll the best stories at the beginning but make you wait for the end to see it. EVERYBODY wants to see vote2, not everyone wants to see random fillers trying to tie in a backstory that is contradictory to the manga. If they just did vote 2 first, and then fillers later, everyone would
Be fine as people that like fillers can still watch them, and the rest of us can just see the fight we've been waiting years to see

You can't accept this logic because you want to see vote 2?
Funny logic.

OT:There is nothing in the manga that refutes the hypothesis that Ashura created rasengan.Given that nobody except Madara knows the existence of Ashura and Indra at Minato's time, it's almost certain that their jutsu were also forgotten, making humanity believe that Minato created a jutsu.

 

[Phact]

Not quite. It was never stated Minato created FTG only that it was a technique he was shown using until Tobirama showed up. Much like Orochimaru using Edo Tensei back in part one to revive the 1st and 2nd then we learned Edo Temsei was created by Tobiramaz. Same applies to FTG.

But I agree with the rest.

@123fire:

Why do you keep trying to make filler material into canon? It's not a plot hole it just never happened conon wise. This is why they don't overlap. Minato created Rasengan after he witnessed Kurama's bijuudama. He model Rasengan after it. It's his tech like Kakashi's Raikiri was created by himself. Hagoromo used a lightning tech similar to Chidori to smash that Boulder in the filler, does that mean he created Chidori even though he was never a ninja or practiced ninjutsu? :sdo:

We knew that Orichimaru improved the Edo Tensei. But in Minato's case, it was implied that he invented his own jutsu. Kishi got lazy and instead of giving Tobirama another space/time jutsu, he gave him FTG. It doesn't even make sense for Tobirama to have a teleportaion technique. He died in a very stupid way. If he originally had FTG, he could have transported Saru, Danzo, and the girl to safety in cluding himself. Or, he could've drew the attention of the 20 assassins and teleported away when his life got endangered. So, FTG was not part of his original arsenal but an asspull.

 

[V h o]

It's a retcon then, and that in itself is a sin.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Kishi has said Minato/Tobirama created the respective ninjutsus and that's LAW. SP are just being morons with poor attention to detail. Dude if Indra actually did create shadow clone don't you think it would've widely used by the time Tobirama was around, instead of it not existing until Tobirama invented it.

 

[Guntah]

Ok ashura created rasengan , it was said in the manga minato did . ?

Dude, shut the f*ck up, you're just embarassing yourself further.

I didn't even read the second line, but whatever follows this cannot be good.

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[Natsu Shazneel]

I'd hate to see the mess our literal 2 filler defenders would get themselves into in a bleach forum... They act as if naruto is the only anime people call fillers on, bleach is king on that sh t

Bleach's fillers were better because of fanservice.

 

[chaos control]

I haven't been watching the fillers lately... I can't believe SP's stupidity.
Why is Minato's character continuously getting destroyed?
1. He was the one who invented FTG. Now that is Tobirama's Jutsu.
2. He was supposed to be extremely intelligent. Tobirama called him an idiot, lol.
3. He made the Rasengan, but now that honor goes to Ashura.

Sooner or later someone else is going to take the credit for making the Soulreaper seal.
In my opinion, this is Minato's fault. Ninja should patent their new techniques so SP doesn't steal it.

To add insult to injury , Minato did not create the reaper death seal. The Uzumaki clan created it and they even created a mask that could summon the reaper as well. Minato is just the first character that we saw use it. Poor Minato if you really think about it. Minato kind of had a habbit of being outclassed. Think about it:

1. Minato took 3 years to develop rasengan and he never even succeeded in adding a nature to it. Yet Naruto learns it in a week , Boruto learns it in what I believe is even less time. What's more , Naruto quickly and easily derives a way to add a nature to it , and Boruto even adds a nature unconsciously! Jiraiya , Kakashi and Konohamaru also learn rasengan in much less time than it took Minato. The final nail in the coffin is when filler takes the glory of inventing rasengan away from Minato and gives it to Ashura (and has Ashura be better at it than Minato).

2. Minato was by far surpassed by Naruto in the realm of senjutsu. Madara brushed him off like an ant.
3. FTG used to be thought to have been invented by Minato , but then the war came and the credit was given to Tobirama.
4. Naruto was much better at using KCM and BM than Minato.
5. Reaper death seal turned out to not have been invented by Minato.

Poor Minato. At least his FTG still is said to surpass Tobirama's , so that's good.

 

[Sasuke The Solo God]

Filler is filler.

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

Can we just accept that sp got lazy and just made the fight into A reboot of all the other transmigrant fights

 

[123fire]

Dude, shut the f*ck up, you're just embarassing yourself further.

I didn't even read the second line, but whatever follows this cannot be good.

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You didn't comtinue reading my thread ? I know why because you know im right and you're wrong . Its not hard to use common sense

 

[InfiniteMugen]

You can't accept this logic because you want to see vote 2?
Funny logic.

OT:There is nothing in the manga that refutes the hypothesis that Ashura created rasengan.Given that nobody except Madara knows the existence of Ashura and Indra at Minato's time, it's almost certain that their jutsu were also forgotten, making humanity believe that Minato created a jutsu.

I wasn't necessarily answering the thread, just trying to give the guy some insight on why some people are just straight tired of filler. As far as my post being concerned with the thread title your right there

Edit: and besides, by op's logic, saying ashura is throwing around a rasengan when it was just a big blue ball with two lighter colored balls inside is like saying the 3rd raikage is throwing around chidoris :sdo:

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Logic

1. Minato gained the idea of the rasengan from the bijuus (according to the manga) but filler Asura never met the bijuus Hagormoo created. SO Asura knowing how to make a spiral ball of chakra is not happening.

2. If Indra created shadow clones, it would be a Uchiha technique but it's not. Meaning a senju Tobirama created it.

3. Just because they lived in different time periods, doesn't mean that they are not aware of the techniques from way back then.
Otherwise nobody would know about the legends of the rinnegan but the Uchihas and nobody would know about the sage of six paths.

 

[123fire]

Logic

1. Minato gained the idea of the rasengan from the bijuus (according to the manga) but filler Asura never met the bijuus Hagormoo created. SO Asura knowing how to make a spiral ball of chakra is not happening.

2. If Indra created shadow clones, it would be a Uchiha technique but it's not. Meaning a senju Tobirama created it.

3. Just because they lived in different time periods, doesn't mean that they are not aware of the techniques from way back then.
Otherwise nobody would know about the legends of the rinnegan but the Uchihas and nobody would know about the sage of six paths.

*facepalms*

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

How about the logic that its not canon.

 

[davidou]

I wasn't necessarily answering the thread, just trying to give the guy some insight on why some people are just straight tired of filler. As far as my post being concerned with the thread title your right there

Edit: and besides, by op's logic, saying ashura is throwing around a rasengan when it was just a big blue ball with two lighter colored balls inside is like saying the 3rd raikage is throwing around chidoris :sdo:

How can you deny that the fillers made Ashura use rasengans?
A big blue ball of standard chakra rotating is a rasengan.

3rd raikage's jutsu is a very advanced version of chidori.

 

[Guntah]

You didn't comtinue reading my thread ? I know why because you know im right and you're wrong . Its not hard to use common sense

Alright, I read it, so let me get this straight:

Ashura, without ever actually having any confirmed experience with the Bijuu and little to no talent in Ninshu, not only studied the in dept workings of the Bijuudama bur replicated it, something that took Minato three full years and was never once mentioned before Ashura used it.

....really, dude?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

How can you deny that the fillers made Ashura use rasengans?
A big blue ball of standard chakra rotating is a rasengan.

Besides the fact that he throws it? And that no rasengan has had 2 other lil balls in it? And it's filler? But honestly speaking, look at my above example, the 3rd raikage had his 4 finger hell stab or whatever, I'll be damned if that doesn't work and look a lot like a chidori, he was around before kakashis time, yet kakashi still created chidori right? Even then are they using ninjutsu yet? Isn't it still ninshuu to them?(ashura and Indra) I could be totally wrong on this last point as I'm not even sure

Edit: and to be completely honest, I think sp just did it to beat it in the viewers that naruto is ashuras transmigrant

 

[davidou]

Alright, I read it, so let me get this straight:

Ashura, without ever actually having any confirmed experience with the Bijuu and little to no talent in Ninshu, not only studied the in dept workings of the Bijuudama bur replicated it, something that took Minato three full years and was never once mentioned before Ashura used it.

....really, dude?

What if it is the opposite? Ashura teached some bijuus the only jutsu that he created alone, the rasengan, and it resulted in the creation of the bijuudama that Minato studied, allowing Minato to discover Ashura's heritage: the rasengan.

Besides the fact that he throws it? And that no rasengan has had 2 other lil balls in it? And it's filler? But honestly speaking, look at my above example, the 3rd raikage had his 4 finger hell stab or whatever, I'll be damned if that doesn't work and look a lot like a chidori, he was around before kakashis time, yet kakashi still created chidori right? Even then are they using ninjutsu yet? Isn't it still ninshuu to them?(ashura and Indra) I could be totally wrong on this last point as I'm not even sure

Edit: and to be completely honest, I think sp just did it to beat it in the viewers that naruto is ashuras transmigrant

It's filler so it's not a rasengan?Funny logic.

3rd raikage's jutsu is a very advanced version of chidori, chidori is just a dense ball of lighting release.
Who did say that Kakashi created that kamikaze jutsu without the help of the sharingan?