The Yin Seal cannot reopen blocked Chakra Points

[90sKids98]

The Yin Seal may be the pinnacle of chakra control, but if their chakra points are blocked it is near useless to try and release it's power.

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The Yin Seal is the user's chakra stored in the forehead for years and releasing it in large amounts for self healing and enhanced strength.

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To do this the chakra must flow to those certain points of the body, but if the chakra point is blocked the user's chakra will not be sufficient enough to unlock those points again.

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As we've seen, in order to release the point again the user must receive chakra from another person. Otherwise the point cannot be open again just because a large amount of the same chakra is being sent to that part of the body.

 

[Melanin]

No, if their hit with while the seal is open, i'd say no but if ther seal is not open they can reopen it with Yin Seal: Realease

If a Hyūga manages to block one of Sakura's or Tsunades chakra points or a series of chakra points, they can easily unblocked them in a matter seconds, BY RELEASING THE YIN SEAL.

DATABOOK EXPLANATION: Yin Seal: Release - After focusing and storing an amount of chakra over a period of time in the Strength of a Hundred Seal on the user's forehead, the user can release any amount of chakra with this technique by dispersing the seal and forcefully pumping the stored chakra back into the user's body. After the stored chakra from the Strength of a Hundred Seal is used, if there is any leftover chakra, the user may use it to re-form the seal.

MAIN POINT: FORCEFULLY PUMPING THE STORED CHAKRA BACK INTO THE USERS BODY.

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Again, when the seal is released it FORCEFULLY pumps the chakra in the seal through out the body.

Which will reopen any chakra point that has been blocked and no the Yin Seal its self cannot be blocked by hitting the user's forehead due to it being a SEAL and not a CHAKRA POINT.

 

[Warlocks]

agreed

 

[BlacLord™]

Kurama just ran his own chakra through Naruto's tenketsu and that got things going again. The point is, it was just another source of available chakra - pretty much what the Yin Seal is.

 

[Melanin]

Kurama just ran his own chakra through Naruto's tenketsu and that got things going again. The point is, it was just another source of available chakra - pretty much what the Yin Seal is.

Exactly people forget that an outside source of chakra (kurama) already did what op said cannot be done /thread.

 

[V h o]

Supposedly yin seal doesn't need the body's chakra network to send chakra throughout the body, because the seals chakra goes through the seal and across the body to wherever it is desired/needed. So in a sense it works like its own chakra network. Although in regards to yin seal being enough to open points, I don't know and everything is theoretical concerning how it could reopen chakra points. Yin seal copying kurama chakra situation is also theoretical.

 

[90sKids98]

Kurama just ran his own chakra through Naruto's tenketsu and that got things going again. The point is, it was just another source of available chakra - pretty much what the Yin Seal is.

That other source is still the user's chakra, not someone elses

 

[Jinrou]

Kurama just ran his own chakra through Naruto's tenketsu and that got things going again. The point is, it was just another source of available chakra - pretty much what the Yin Seal is.

Except you can't say they are similar cases because the seal of Kurama was done in a way only it's chakra could leak through(partly open seal) for Naruto to use.
Yin seal is portrayed to be completely sealed and since it's ranked as a fuuinjutsu, you need chakra to be able to unseal it. Meaning if you can't channel chakra you wouldn't be able to unseal it...

At least that's the way I see it since I'm not entirely sure if fuuinjutsu needs chakra to be used or not.

 

[Exaar]

Kurama just ran his own chakra through Naruto's tenketsu and that got things going again. The point is, it was just another source of available chakra - pretty much what the Yin Seal is.

It's different though.

Kurama was unaffected by gentle fist and his chakra is completely independent from naruto. Thus allowing Kurama to be able to control his chakra and give it to naruto in the first place.

Yin seal isn't a living thing unlike kurama so yin seal cannot control nor force it's chakra through Tsunade/Sakura's chakra points like kurama was able to because the chakra in the seal is completely dependent on the users ability to control their chakra.

 

[Melanin]

This thread is only liked by fans boys and I hate labels buts this debate is old.

Just to get straight to the point OP: Sakura > Hinata & she doesn't need her sealed solo.

 

[Melanin]

It's different though.

Kurama was unaffected by gentle fist and his chakra is completely independent from Naruto

The Yin Seals chakra us independent from the user until it's released and attached to the users chakra network. The only commonality it has with the user is the chakra inside if the seal (since it's their own) but when the seal is formed and unreleased it's a completely separate source of chakra with correlation with the body.

Thus allowing Kurama to be able to control his chakra and give it to naruto in the first place.

When the seal is released it act's into the body as a third party.

[mYin seal isn't a living thing unlike kurama so yin seal cannot control nor force it's chakra through Tsunade/Sakura's chakra points like kurama was able to because the chakra in the seal is completely dependent on the users ability to control their chakra.

Like I've previously stated, if the seal is already open and Gentel Fist lands in in favor of it being unblockable but if the seal is not open (meaning it's in a state of rest) then yes releasing their seal forcefully pumps chakra back into their body.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

So wait, and serious question(and it's gonna sound stupid) what if they're hit right on that yin seal on the forehead(if that's even what you guys are talking about, if not I'll be on my way as that's the only question I had) then they wouldn't be able to release the seal would they?

 

[Exaar]

The Yin Seals chakra us independent from the user until it's released and attached to the users chakra network. The only commonality it has with the user is the chakra inside if the seal (since it's their own) but when the seal is formed and unreleased it's a completely separate source of chakra with correlation with the body.

It's still different.

Separate source of chakra dependent on the user to control and mold the chakra. Unlike Kurama's chakra for naruto.

When the seal is released it act's into the body as a third party.

Unless the chakra in the yin seal has the ability to control and mold it's self independently, it makes no difference.

Like I've previously stated, if the seal is already open and Gentel Fist lands in in favor of it being unblockable but if the seal is not open (meaning it's in a state of rest) then yes releasing their seal forcefully pumps chakra back into their body.

blocking points makes it impossible to control chakra. If you cannot control chakra you cannot use it to reopen points. They shouldn't even be able to activate the seal since they cannot control their chakra and it's a perfectly safe assumption that the seals needs chakra to be activated to release the stored chakra in the first place.

Regardless of if it pushes chakra through their body, It should not travel around their bodies faster or with more force than chakra naturally does, Which is not strong enough to reopen the chakra points.
Unless they control said chakra and force it though said chakra points, Which they cannot do because their points are blocked.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Exactly people forget that an outside source of chakra (kurama) already did what op said cannot be done /thread.

Im suprised they didn't use the filler where Kurama was effected by Himawari's Gentle Fist touch, even though it wasn't apparent in the manga.

 

[Nick01]

Agreed, only die hard Sakura faps will disagree and make some fanfic excuse like they always do.

Btw Sakura stands no chance against Hinata. She is out of her league.

 

[Melanin]

It's still different.

Separate source of chakra dependent on the user to control and mold the chakra. Unlike Kurama's chakra for naruto.

It's not diffrent at all but the same.

Kurama (an outside source of chakra) forcibly reopened what was blocked, the manga/DB literally says that the Yin Seal: Release forcibly renters the users body. I mean u expect you to fight with me to death about the topic becuase it involves Sakura and her abitiles to reopen a chakra point makes a fight against a Hyuga is instantly high-diff but the facts are in my side.

Unless the chakra in the yin seal has the ability to control and mold it's self independently.

Byakugou is an independent justu that only depends on a conscious effort, last time I checked Gentel Fist stop one from thinking (and the mental command required is so minscule that it's obsolete). When it's released, it's regenative abilities & the functions of Yin Seal: Release spfically take no concious effort in order to function properly so with that: Afrer the seal is released, the chakra within the seal will move about independently and forcibly pump chakra back into the users body.

blocking points makes it impossible to control chakra

The Yin Seal isn't a point my friend and the user doesn't have to control the chakra within it to produce any Jutsu becuase once it is initiated the seal does the rest. And the chakra that is being pumped back into the users body is t under their control until it's been pumped forcibly.

Regardless of if it pushes chakra through their body, It should not travel around their bodies faster or with more force than chakra naturally does, Which is not strong enough to reopen the chakra points.

It's not about how fast it moves friend, it's the force behind it and the DB/explanation by Tsunade says that the chakra is FORCIBLY PUMPED back into the users body. Now you go off on a tribal rant about "how great the force isn't" but it again it doesn't matter what you say becuase we have a feat (that's also a testament to its speed). When Tsunade preformed Yin Seal: Relase in front of Orochimaru her wounds were healed instantly by the chakra that was pumped into her body (instantly is fast) but to get back on point: forcibly means what ever force it takes. The DB never stated how weak or strong it was so that's trival and won't help your argument!

I got scans btw, let me know.

Off the discussion; the Hinata Vs Sakura thing has been done!

Sakura is faster, smarter, more agile, has stronger ninjutsu and all that can be found in the databook and manga. Hinata would stand a chance if she could produce the feats of Neji or even beat him but she cannot

 

[Icelerate]

@Rasta post all relevant databook entries here.

 

[Exaar]

It's not diffrent at all but the same.

Kurama (an outside source of chakra) forcibly reopened what was blocked, the manga/DB literally says that the Yin Seal: Release forcibly renters the users body. I mean u expect you to fight with me to death about the topic becuase it involves Sakura and her abitiles to reopen a chakra point makes a fight against a Hyuga is instantly high-diff but the facts are in my side.

They're the same as in they are both a second source of chakra but One is dependent on the user, The other can be controlled and molded completely independently of the users will.
Basically naruto's second source of chakra is alive, Tsunades is just normal chakra. One can control it's self, The other cannot.

Also it's not just sakura i'm arguing against, it's tsunade also, a chakra i actually like and one of the only females worth a damn in the manga.

Byakugou is an independent justu that only depends on a conscious effort, last time I checked Gentel Fist stop one from thinking (and the mental command required is so minscule that it's obsolete). When it's released, it's regenative abilities & the functions of Yin Seal: Release spfically take no concious effort in order to function properly so with that: Afrer the seal is released, the chakra within the seal will move about independently and forcibly pump chakra back into the users body.

The chakra in her seal is just chakra, It has zero special qualities. Let alone it being automatic and taking no concious effort to heal.

Unless you can find said statements of it not being a concious effort or being automatic.

The Yin Seal isn't a point my friend and the user doesn't have to control the chakra within it to produce any Jutsu becuase once it is initiated the seal does the rest. And the chakra that is being pumped back into the users body is t under their control until it's been pumped forcibly.

Baseless.
All Tsunade/Sakura do is seal chakra into The seal, Their Normal everyday chakra. It follows the rules and requires the user to mold and control it to use.

The seal automatically Molds and control's chakra now?

It's not about how fast it moves friend, it's the force behind it and the DB/explanation by Tsunade says that the chakra is FORCIBLY PUMPED back into the users body. Now you go off on a tribal rant about "how great the force isn't" but it again it doesn't matter what you say becuase we have a feat (that's also a testament to its speed). When Tsunade preformed Yin Seal: Relase in front of Orochimaru her wounds were healed instantly by the chakra that was pumped into her body (instantly is fast) but to get back on point: forcibly means what ever force it takes. The DB never stated how weak or strong it was so that's trival and won't help your argument!

@ Bold, Scan?.

Databook also never stated it "forcibly pumps chakra around the body" either.

I got scans btw, let me know.

Post them then instead of holding them back.

Off the discussion; the Hinata Vs Sakura thing has been done!

Wasn't even about Hinata. It is about gentle fist in general. You're the one who brought her up, Not me.

@Rasta post all relevant databook entries here.

Yin seal

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Yin Seal: Release* (陰封印・解, Infuuin: Kai)
Fuuinjutsu, S-rank, Supplementary
User: Tsunade

Unravelling the key to using the “Genesis Rebirth”**!!

“Genesis Rebirth,” the ultimate medical technique. However, using this technique requires such an enormous amount of chakra, that it is beyond any shinobi to mould it in an instant. Tsunade, using the chakra stock kept in the seal on her forehead, has cleared this prerequisite. With “Yin Seal: Release,” the seal is released, becoming the source for the body regeneration technique.

[picture of Tsunade releasing the Yin Seal]
↑The moment it is unsealed, a pattern appears on the forehead.

[picture of Shizune preventing Tsunade from releasing the Yin Seal]
←Releasing the seal is the greatest danger signal.

*Kai (解) literally means “untie,” “unravel”.
**Genesis Rebirth (創造再生, Souzou Saisei).

Byakugo

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Databook 4: Ninpō Sōzō Saisei — Byakugō no Jutsu

“For several years using the highest most precise chakra control, a fixed amount is stored in the Byakugou seal. The chakra is usually put to use to regenerate the body through the Ninjutsu technique “Sousou Saisei”, the combination results in the ultimate regeneration Jutsu.

The seal was able to regenerate the body, despite Tsunade chakra quantity being less, than the enormous chakra quantity of Shodai Hokage (i’m pretty sure, but this the gist of the line, but this was especially tricky).

When Ninpo “Sousou Saisei” is used at the same time as “Byakugou no Jutsu”, it becomes possible to use it (Sousou Saisei) over a long period of time. When ones life is effected by grave wounds pushed to the point where they’d normally die, ones body is instantly returned to an unwounded condition. Than it just talks about the rules of medical ninjutsu where broken with the completion of such a marvelous Ninjutsu as this.

Release the chakra stored in ones forehead. Wounds completely recover, while at the same time ones own power rises*, however cell division quickens, which shortens ones life span.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Kurama just ran his own chakra through Naruto's tenketsu and that got things going again. The point is, it was just another source of available chakra - pretty much what the Yin Seal is.

Kurama is living chakra conscience / will and mind of its own it can leave his body form arms and grab stuff at will these are two different creatures and two different seals

 

[Melanin]

They're the same as in they are both a second source of chakra but One is dependent on the user, The other can be controlled and molded completely independently of the users will.
Basically naruto's second source of chakra is alive, Tsunades is just normal chakra. One can control it's self, The other cannot.

Naruto molded at brung out kurama chakra on his own. Using that powerful chakra to force its way through the closed points and throughout the body. And to make you better understand its similar to tsunade releasing her chakra back to her body from her forehead. It Didn't take naruto chakra to get chakra from another source and send it throughout. Then once he received the chakra thats when he then started using that released chakra to help in battle. Like when tsunade then uses the released chakra after its spread throughout and then uses that chakra to help in battle.

Also it's not just sakura i'm arguing against, it's tsunade also, a chakra i actually like and one of the only females worth a damn in the manga.

Which is why I'll counter your post with Tsunades feats.

The chakra in her seal is just chakra, It has zero special qualities.

The "special quality" is the fact the their chakra is stored away and when released it dispurses back into their body at a great force but this holds no merit in this conversation.

Let alone it being automatic and taking no concious effort to heal.

When the The strength of one technique is activated no concious effort is required to instantly regenerate the seals technique does it automatically. The only mental effort put forth is releasing the seal, that's common since.

find said statements of it not being a concious effort or being automatic.

The Strength Of 100 Tech is INSTANT.

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For several years using the highest most precise chakra control, a fixed amount is stored in the Byakugou seal. The chakra is usually put to use to regenerate the body through the Ninjutsu technique "Sousou Saisei", the combination results in the ultimate regeneration Jutsu.

The seal was able to regenerate the body, despite Tsunade chakra quantity being less than the enormous chakra quantity of Shodai Hokage.

When Ninpo "Sousou Saisei" is used at the same time as "Byakugou no Jutsu", it becomes possible to use it (Sousou Saisei) over a long period of time. When ones life is effected by grave wounds pushed to the point where they'd normally die, ones body is instantly returned to an unwounded condition.

Release the chakra stored in ones forehead. Wounds completely recover, while at the same time ones own power rises*, however cell division quickens, which shortens ones life span.

Baseless

Are you implying that it takes chakra to release chakra?

All Tsunade/Sakura do is seal chakra into The seal, Their Normal everyday chakra. It follows the rules and requires the user to mold and control it to use.

They do not have to mold any chakra from their seal when it's released to excute regenration, the chakra released stimulates proteins on their own instantly. The strength of one hundred tech is a instant healing tech. And your not understanding the seal itself. The chakra in it is not connected to the users body in any way unless it released to function a Jutsu, it holds no correlation to their chakra network unless it's released.

The seal automatically Molds and control's chakra now?

It's regenative ability takes no hand seals or mental command due to it being instant.

@ Bold, Scan?.

Databook also never stated it "forcibly pumps chakra around the body" either.

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Spoiler: Databook 2 - Infuuin: Kai
Yin Seal: Release* (陰封印・解, Infuuin: Kai)
Fuuinjutsu, S-rank, Supplementary
User: Tsunade

Unravelling the key to using the "Genesis Rebirth"**!!

"Genesis Rebirth," the ultimate medical technique. However, using this technique requires such an enormous amount of chakra, that it is beyond any shinobi to mould it in an instant. Tsunade, using the chakra stock kept in the seal on her forehead, has cleared this prerequisite. With "Yin Seal: Release," the seal is released, becoming the source for the body regeneration technique.

[picture of Tsunade releasing the Yin Seal]
↑The moment it is unsealed, a pattern appears on the forehead.

[picture of Shizune preventing Tsunade from releasing the Yin Seal]
←Releasing the seal is the greatest danger signal.

*Kai (解) literally means "untie," "unravel". I though "release" would fit better in the name.
**Genesis Rebirth (創造再生, Souzou Saisei).

If she cannot not control the "enormous" about of chakra she's releasing into her body but it releases into her body anyway (without her control) it's doing its own or being forced. Force (1) make a way through or into by physical strength; break open by force. (2) drive or push into a specified position or state using physical strength or against resistance. (3) make (someone) do something against their will.

Post them then instead of holding them back.

Done!

Wasn't even about Hinata. It is about gentle fist in general. You're the one who brought her up, Not me.

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