[Discussion] What will be Zoro's strength by the EoS

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Shanks is a sniper because he has two proficient snipers in his crew? Logic of the day. Luffy is now secretly a swordsman, considering there are two swordsman in his crew.
When did I ever say sniper? A gun user and a sniper are not the same thing at all but I wouldn't expect someone who uses reductionary argument tactics to understand or acknowledge that. Also Shanks has 1 sniper we know of, Yasopp, Roo and Beckman weren't shown or portrayed as snipers.
 

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He is just acting on the feeling of "I can't see a Shichibukai being > Shanks" I am sure he is Shanks fan U_U
Everybody is a Shanks fan but I don't care that much about him.

If Oda draws a battle where he loses then so be it, but the logic that Mihawk can defeat any strong opponent who has a sword in overall combat simply because of his title is ridiculous. As if there's only one method of fighting for someone who carries a sword. Kizaru uses a sword, Mihawk would beat him in a sword fight but when Kizaru stopped using his DF sword and used his DF in conjunction with his hands and feet then he'd beat Mihawks sword skills. If Kiado picked up a sword Mihawk would wreck him but as soon as Kaido stops fighting with the sword he could win.
 

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Everybody is a Shanks fan but I don't care that much about him.

If Oda draws a battle where he loses then so be it, but the logic that Mihawk can defeat any strong opponent who has a sword in overall combat simply because of his title is ridiculous. As if there's only one method of fighting for someone who carries a sword. Kizaru uses a sword, Mihawk would beat him in a sword fight but when Kizaru stopped using his DF sword and used his DF in conjunction with his hands and feet then he'd beat Mihawks sword skills. If Kiado picked up a sword Mihawk would wreck him but as soon as Kaido stops fighting with the sword he could win.

No you're trying to outdo the fact that Mihawk >>> Any swordsman U_U

Vista was exactly like Issho using DF with the swords. Mihawk simply slashed them off. As long as you're primary a swordsman Mihawk > You U_U...


Tell me another point in the Manga where shanks engaged an attack without drawing his sword? :|
 

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When did I ever say sniper? A gun user and a sniper are not the same thing at all but I wouldn't expect someone who uses reductionary argument tactics to understand or acknowledge that. Also Shanks has 1 sniper we know of, Yasopp, Roo and Beckman weren't shown or portrayed as snipers.
Shooter/Sniper Or however you call it; The point still stands. Saying Shanks is proficient at using gun just because he happened to have multiple people who prefer to use gun is beyond ridiculous. That aside, you're fooling yourself if you seriously believe changing fighting style would actually change the result. Swordsmanship is still his art of expertise, which means, the best of his attacks lies within his swordsmanship. So, if he can't pull a victory with his strongest fighting form, then he's not winning with a supplementary method.

Pretentious people who disregard others opinions with absolutes piss me off. Don't entrench yourself in the idea that you're right

Regardless of whether or not I was on the right path, It's absurd to use such nonsensical logic to justify an argument.
 
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No you're trying to outdo the fact that Mihawk >>> Any swordsman U_U

Vista was exactly like Issho using DF with the swords. Mihawk simply slashed them off. As long as you're primary a swordsman Mihawk > You U_U...


Tell me another point in the Manga where shanks engaged an attack without drawing his sword? :|
What are you talking about Vista doesn't have a DF that's been mentioned. We've seen Shanks clash like what 2-3 times but I applaud your guys dedication to the "fact" that means he only fights with swords, we have no idea how Shanks fights because we've never actually seen him fight so as of now your doing as much speculation about his fighting style and abilities as I am. Who's to say for certain that the sword isn't something he uses for the average fight then when things gets serious he has a stronger style? Sabo has it now, he has his Mera Mera but if he comes across an opponent who pushes his capabilities with the MMnM he can bust out his Dragon Style.
 

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No you're trying to outdo the fact that Mihawk >>> Any swordsman U_U

Vista was exactly like Issho using DF with the swords. Mihawk simply slashed them off. As long as you're primary a swordsman Mihawk > You U_U...


Tell me another point in the Manga where shanks engaged an attack without drawing his sword? :|
Kiado is the strongest beast correct? But won't the alliance take him down?
WB was the strongest man. But other men killed him.

It's a literary discretion left up to the author not over analytical readers. Mihawk could lose to shanks in a sword fight and STILL be the WSS because Oda said so.
 

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Kiado is the strongest beast correct? But won't the alliance take him down?
WB was the strongest man. But other men killed him.
You need to learn arithimetic
Strongest "man" taken down by other "men"
Strongest "beast" taken down by the "alliance"


It's a literary discretion left up to the author not over analytical readers. Mihawk could lose to shanks in a sword fight and STILL be the WSS because Oda said so.
Well I agree it depends on the author
 
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Everybody is a Shanks fan but I don't care that much about him.

If Oda draws a battle where he loses then so be it, but the logic that Mihawk can defeat any strong opponent who has a sword in overall combat simply because of his title is ridiculous. As if there's only one method of fighting for someone who carries a sword. Kizaru uses a sword, Mihawk would beat him in a sword fight but when Kizaru stopped using his DF sword and used his DF in conjunction with his hands and feet then he'd beat Mihawks sword skills. If Kiado picked up a sword Mihawk would wreck him but as soon as Kaido stops fighting with the sword he could win.
If I could rep you more I would, the fact that Shanks would get beat by the WSS just because he carries / uses a sword is ridiculous, it's not like he's a 1 trick pony like Mihawk where we're pretty sure all he uses is his sword, which fair enough he might beat Shanks purely in a sword fight after losing his arm, but for some reason people think that that's exactly how the fight would go between them, as if Shanks has no other means of fighting which is ridiculous.


No you're trying to outdo the fact that Mihawk >>> Any swordsman U_U

Vista was exactly like Issho using DF with the swords. Mihawk simply slashed them off. As long as you're primary a swordsman Mihawk > You U_U...


Tell me another point in the Manga where shanks engaged an attack without drawing his sword? :|
The very first time we see his badassary... He fends of the sea beast with just a look, soon to be conquerors.. If he was such a fabled who was able to go toe to toe with Mihawk who soon gained the title of WSS, then why would he not use his sword as a range attack? Surely he'd be bale to, the first time we see Mihawk he's able to cut that huge ship in half with ease, Shanks surely would have been able to do the same back then... But of course Oda did it for the sake of setting up the story between Luffy and Shanks, because at the end of the day it's him that decides and he decided that Shanks had to lose an arm just so that Mihawk could be the WSS
 

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Similar to Silver Rayleigh in his prime.

Concerning Shanks or Mihawk, they might be valuable in entirely different view. While Shanks may be better against many opponents who would overpower Mihawk by sheer numbers, the latter may be more proficient in a duel, thus making him the "strongest swordsman". That´s how I always perceived it, anyway.

There was a theory that Shanks´ haki influences time and perception, as well as constantly damages (based on a game I presume?). Hell, if he can individually target people to be slower, of course his power grows in a team, unlike Mihawk´s, who is more poised and comfortable in his position of a loner.
 

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If I could rep you more I would, the fact that Shanks would get beat by the WSS just because he carries / uses a sword is ridiculous, it's not like he's a 1 trick pony like Mihawk where we're pretty sure all he uses is his sword, which fair enough he might beat Shanks purely in a sword fight after losing his arm, but for some reason people think that that's exactly how the fight would go between them, as if Shanks has no other means of fighting which is ridiculous.



The very first time we see his badassary... He fends of the sea beast with just a look, soon to be conquerors.. If he was such a fabled who was able to go toe to toe with Mihawk who soon gained the title of WSS, then why would he not use his sword as a range attack? Surely he'd be bale to, the first time we see Mihawk he's able to cut that huge ship in half with ease, Shanks surely would have been able to do the same back then... But of course Oda did it for the sake of setting up the story between Luffy and Shanks, because at the end of the day it's him that decides and he decided that Shanks had to lose an arm just so that Mihawk could be the WSS
It's simple, you guys just have a feeling that Shanks packs more than just a Sword... NOTHING MORE, I said it NOTHING MORE. Since you have no disproof against Mihawk > any swordsman. You're feeling Shanks can't be just a swordsman only with nothing to prove that he is not a swordsman only :|
 

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If I could rep you more I would, the fact that Shanks would get beat by the WSS just because he carries / uses a sword is ridiculous, it's not like he's a 1 trick pony like Mihawk where we're pretty sure all he uses is his sword, which fair enough he might beat Shanks purely in a sword fight after losing his arm, but for some reason people think that that's exactly how the fight would go between them, as if Shanks has no other means of fighting which is ridiculous.



The very first time we see his badassary... He fends of the sea beast with just a look, soon to be conquerors.. If he was such a fabled who was able to go toe to toe with Mihawk who soon gained the title of WSS, then why would he not use his sword as a range attack? Surely he'd be bale to, the first time we see Mihawk he's able to cut that huge ship in half with ease, Shanks surely would have been able to do the same back then... But of course Oda did it for the sake of setting up the story between Luffy and Shanks, because at the end of the day it's him that decides and he decided that Shanks had to lose an arm just so that Mihawk could be the WSS
Shanks is a swordsman at the end of the day. He can have all the tricks and usages as he wants, he's still portrayed as a swordsman, and that makes him weaker than Mihawk until proven otherwise. No wonder is saying that Shanks fights using ONLY his sword, but it is his primary means of combat. Therefore, he falls into the category of swordsmen which Mihawk is at the top of.
 

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Just randomly carrying a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. It's the people with "swordsmanship" as their "primary fighting style" are those who're regarded as swordsman. How long will the delegation of Shanks keep deliberately ignoring this? Why do you guys persistently keep spouting that " Just carrying a sword does't make one a swordsman" BS; When none of us said anything remotely closer it? What you need to realize is (that) Shanks perfectly fits the criterion for a swordsman in OP. That's along with the fact that he once rivaled the current holder of " The worlds strongest swordsman" title makes the point of him being a swordsman completely obvious. You're nothing but a cynic, If you're seriously trying to make excuses as to why Shanks can't be a swordsman. Shanks may or may not be a swordsman in your conventional sense and it's possible that he's a devils fruit user. But, the information given so far concerning his character clearly insinuates that he's a swordsman.
 

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Just randomly carrying a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. It's the people with "swordsmanship" as their "primary fighting style" are those who're regarded as swordsman. How long will the delegation of Shanks keep deliberately ignoring this? Why do you guys persistently keep spouting that " Just carrying a sword does't make one a swordsman" BS; When none of us said anything remotely closer it? What you need to realize is (that) Shanks perfectly fits the criterion for a swordsman in OP. That's along with the fact that he once rivaled the current holder of " The worlds strongest swordsman" title makes the point of him being a swordsman completely obvious. You're nothing but a cynic, If you're seriously trying to make excuses as to why Shanks can't be a swordsman. Shanks may or may not be a swordsman in your conventional sense and it's possible that he's a devils fruit user. But, the information given so far concerning his character clearly insinuates that he's a swordsman.
The fact that Kaku was a martial artist, assassin, DF user, and swordsman all at once should be enough to settle this nonsense.
 

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Shanks is a swordsman at the end of the day. He can have all the tricks and usages as he wants, he's still portrayed as a swordsman, and that makes him weaker than Mihawk until proven otherwise. No wonder is saying that Shanks fights using ONLY his sword, but it is his primary means of combat. Therefore, he falls into the category of swordsmen which Mihawk is at the top of.
The fact that Kaku was a martial artist, assassin, DF user, and swordsman all at once should be enough to settle this nonsense.
No one's saying Shanks isn't a swordsman or that he wouldn't lose in a swordfight against Mihawk, I'm saying there's a chance he can overcome Mihawks' sword abilities with another style of fighting whether it be hands or gun or haki and win the fight while losing the swordfight. If Mihawk is an S in swords and Shanks is an A but Shanks is an S in hands and Mihawk is a B then Shanks could still pull off a victory in the fight. There's multiple forms of fighting it's not impossible to have a fighting style that focuses on taking on armed opponents while being unarmed.

My point is unless the opponent ONLY uses swords like Mihawk and Zoro then the title WSS doesn't = a guaranteed victory in the fight just because the opponent uses swords as they may have more techniques that can overcome swords.

Just randomly carrying a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. It's the people with "swordsmanship" as their "primary fighting style" are those who're regarded as swordsman. How long will the delegation of Shanks keep deliberately ignoring this? Why do you guys persistently keep spouting that " Just carrying a sword does't make one a swordsman" BS; When none of us said anything remotely closer it? What you need to realize is (that) Shanks perfectly fits the criterion for a swordsman in OP. That's along with the fact that he once rivaled the current holder of " The worlds strongest swordsman" title makes the point of him being a swordsman completely obvious. You're nothing but a cynic, If you're seriously trying to make excuses as to why Shanks can't be a swordsman. Shanks may or may not be a swordsman in your conventional sense and it's possible that he's a devils fruit user. But, the information given so far concerning his character clearly insinuates that he's a swordsman.
@bold, but we don't know what his primary fighting style is for sure we can only guess based on the few brief clashes we saw, which iirc Shanks was always defending not attacking. Also I never said he wasn't a swordsman I said that just because he's a swordsman doesn't mean he doesn't have other fighting styles he could use, and use to get a victory over swordsmen including Mihawk.
 

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No one's saying Shanks isn't a swordsman or that he wouldn't lose in a swordfight against Mihawk, I'm saying there's a chance he can overcome Mihawks' sword abilities with another style of fighting whether it be hands or gun or haki and win the fight while losing the swordfight. If Mihawk is an S in swords and Shanks is an A but Shanks is an S in hands and Mihawk is a B then Shanks could still pull off a victory in the fight. There's multiple forms of fighting it's not impossible to have a fighting style that focuses on taking on armed opponents while being unarmed.

My point is unless the opponent ONLY uses swords like Mihawk and Zoro then the title WSS doesn't = a guaranteed victory in the fight just because the opponent uses swords as they may have more techniques that can overcome swords.

If Mihawk is an S in swords, Shanks is an A in swords, Shanks is an S in hands, and Mihawk is a B in hands, then Mihawk's title means his S in swords in higher than Shanks' S in hands.



@bold, but we don't know what his primary fighting style is for sure we can only guess based on the few brief clashes we saw, which iirc Shanks was always defending not attacking. Also I never said he wasn't a swordsman I said that just because he's a swordsman doesn't mean he doesn't have other fighting styles he could use, and use to get a victory over swordsmen including Mihawk.
Nope. Mihawk being the World's Strongest Swordsman doesn't mean he's the best at swordsmanship. It means of every person in the category of swordsman, he's the overall strongest one. And that includes Shanks. So while Shanks might have a martial art or a DF ability or a Haki trick that he can use better than a sword, for all intents and purposes so far in the series, he's a swordsman, and that makes him weaker than Mihawk overall.
 

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What was Shanks' first reaction to block akainu's strongest punch: draw his SWORD
What was Shanks' first reaction to seeing Mihawk: draw his SWORD
What was Shanks's first reaction to Whitebeard's attack: draw his SWORD :|
Two defenses and his sword rival(who just so happens to only use a sword) as I said we don't know his fighting style. We can presume based on evidence but we don't know anything until it happens. Shanks used his sword for defense true, but the only offense we've seen from him(way back in chapter 1) was him running off that sea beast with his haki. That's all I'm saying, is it likely Shanks' primary is his sword absolutely, Is it possible he ONLY uses a sword, sure it's possible but we don't and can't know as a fact like your acting.
 

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Two defenses and his sword rival(who just so happens to only use a sword) as I said we don't know his fighting style. We can presume based on evidence but we don't know anything until it happens. Shanks used his sword for defense true, but the only offense we've seen from him(way back in chapter 1) was him running off that sea beast with his haki. That's all I'm saying, is it likely Shanks' primary is his sword absolutely, Is it possible he ONLY uses a sword, sure it's possible but we don't and can't know as a fact like your acting.
Defensive??? This is hypocritical, if you see Haki on Shanks and assume he is more than a swordsman why say Mihawk is only a Sword's man when he scared the Humandrills in the same manner Shanks scared the Sea king?

I am not saying Shanks uses only a sword but I am removing this "fanboyism" of "Shanks might have more than a sword" thing you guys have yet we have never seen him with anything else like Mihawk :|.
Why are you concluding Mihawk is uses a sword only and not shanks?
 

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Defensive??? This is hypocritical, if you see Haki on Shanks and assume he is more than a swordsman why say Mihawk is only a Sword's man when he scared the Humandrills in the same manner Shanks scared the Sea king?

I am not saying Shanks uses only a sword but I am removing this "fanboyism" of "Shanks might have more than a sword" thing you guys have yet we have never seen him with anything else like Mihawk :|.
Why are you concluding Mihawk is uses a sword only and not shanks?
Because Mihawk has never shown CoQ Haki and I'm of the mind that it will be able to be used in a physical matter to some degree. Mihawk's personality also seems to have him more honor bound than Shanks in the sense I could see Shanks abandoning his primary weapon if it meant he could get an edge whereas I couldn't see Mihawk dropping his sword for anything similar to how I couldn't see Zoro using anything other than a sword(or some form of stick in a sword manner) Mihawk seems more stuck in his ways whereas Shanks seems flexible which leads me to believe he doesn't solely rely on his sword.

Also Mihawk running off the Humandrills isn't the same. He had fought them previously so when he ran them off it wasn't CoQ haki but him asserting his dominance over them from the fight before more than likely. I suppose we can't say one way or the other as fact but there wasn't any CoQ animation in the anime iirc.
 

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@bold, but we don't know what his primary fighting style is for sure we can only guess based on the few brief clashes we saw, which iirc Shanks was always defending not attacking. Also I never said he wasn't a swordsman I said that just because he's a swordsman doesn't mean he doesn't have other fighting styles he could use, and use to get a victory over swordsmen including Mihawk.
I can agree that we can't be certain about swordsmanship being his primary fighting style until when we get to learn more about Shanks. But it's rather obvious and logical to presume that his art of expertise lies within his swordsmanship, given the portrayal he received so far in the series. Strictly talking from what we know of him, Shanks can't be anything other than a swordsman. And it's completely irrelevant whether he has other other modes of fighting; He'd be beneath Mihawk as long as his most preferable fighting mode is swordsmanship.



The fact that Kaku was a martial artist, assassin, DF user, and swordsman all at once should be enough to settle this nonsense.

What more, they're under the impression that suddenly changing the choice of weapon in the middle of a fight (Sword to Gun for example)can actually turn the table around. Like someone who can counter a mounting range slash of Mach 20 couldn't stop a projectile of Mach 2 speed.:yeah:
 
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