Proof of ems giving new powers?

[InfiniteMugen]

Just this, has it ever been shown that ems grants you any new powers other than a better susanoo?? And of course the ability to spam ms techs all day

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Nope but NonSenseSama might disagree because of Yin-Yang.

 

[SenseiSama]

I think it was originally intended to be that way, Sasuke was shown with Yata mirror and Itachi said Madara got a new technique

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[InfiniteMugen]

I think it was originally intended to be that way, Sasuke was shown with Yata mirror and Itachi said Madara got a new technique

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Couldn't that "new" tech just as easily been his ps? I really have nothing on the yata, we've only seen 2 of that version susanoo and they both have shields, I'd like to say it's just a shield he's holding but I have no proof of it being yata or not being yata, although personally I think it being yata is a stretch, getting itachis eyes doesn't necessarily mean he got itachis spirit weapons, and if he did, where's the sword?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Furthermore, itachi used these things EVERY TIME he used susanoo pretty much, you really honestly think sasuke would of acquired both with no mention of it what so ever by ANYBODY, and never using it not even one time?

 

[SenseiSama]

Couldn't that "new" tech just as easily been his ps? I really have nothing on the yata, we've only seen 2 of that version susanoo and they both have shields, I'd like to say it's just a shield he's holding but I have no proof of it being yata or not being yata, although personally I think it being yata is a stretch, getting itachis eyes doesn't necessarily mean he got itachis spirit weapons, and if he did, where's the sword?

Nah, Susanoo is awakened with normal MS so it wouldn't be cosidered a new technique. And the avatar doesn't have a shield it only has weapons, the shape doesn't look like the crossbow Sasuke uses for his arrows so I assume it was originally meant to be Yata mirror but Kishi decided it was too OP

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Nah, Susanoo is awakened with normal MS so i wouldn't be cosidered a new technique. And the avatar doesn't have a shield it only has weapons, the shape doesn't look like the crossbow Sasuke uses for his arrows so I assume it was originally meant to be Yata mirror but Kishi decided it was too OP

Wouldn't that make mads ems power ps even more then? Iirc they make a point to show madara show up with his new eyes and his new susanoo to fight hashi

 

[InfiniteMugen]

You can also say sasuke is further proof that mads ems power is ps, sasukes ps didn't show up until he got the rikudo power up, the only one we see him use with ems is the v1? like itachi, and that ugly ass legged one he combines with senjutsu that he uses against the juubi

 

[SenseiSama]

Wouldn't that make mads ems power ps even more then? Iirc they make a point to show madara show up with his new eyes and his new susanoo to fight hashi

But PS isn't a new technique because it's still Susanoo which is considered the 3rd power. PS is a result of EMS enhancing all Sharingan abilities but it's still the 3rd power MS users awaken not a 4th one.

And the Hashi vs Madara fight was shown hundreds of chapter later, the Madara scan was made when Kishit first introduced EMS.

At the time "new technique" could've been a reference to his brother's MS ability, if Sasuke had EMS the new technique he would get would be Tsukuyomi.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

But PS isn't a new technique because it's still Susanoo which is considered the 3rd power. PS is a result of EMS enhancing all Sharingan abilities but it's still the 3rd power MS users awaken.

If this is the case then why didn't sasuke have ps before the rikudo power up?

 

[SZiaee]

Rikudou chakra gives PS to the user :
Proofs :
1- Chapter 589 page 2 : Madara stated :"Too bad hashirama is not anymore ...." means that he has a new ability and wanted to show it to Hashirama .
2- Chapter 689 page 5 : Kakashi stated :"With Rikudou power my eyes are even stronger" (when using PS)
3- Sasuke , Madara , Itachi and Shisui never used PS without Rikudou ... Even at dangerous positions (eg :Shisui vs Danzo ) .... Even EMS Sasuke and EMS Madara didn't show PS .

 

[SenseiSama]

If this is the case then why didn't sasuke have ps before the rikudo power up?

Because his eyes went blind before he could, PS requires stronger chakra which Uchiha don't have but it's still an MS ability not an EMS one. Indra and Kakashi had PS with normal MS because they had Rikudou chakra.

 

[SZiaee]

Because his eyes went blind before he could, PS requires stronger chakra which Uchiha don't have but it's still an MS ability not an EMS one. Indra and Kakashi had PS with normal MS because they had Rikudou chakra.

I don't think so ,
Mangekyou + Rikudou chakra ==> PS
MS users without rikudou can't use PS ... Re-read my comment above .

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Because his eyes went blind before he could, PS requires stronger chakra which Uchiha don't have but it's still an MS ability not an EMS one. Indra and Kakashi had PS with normal MS because they had Rikudou chakra.

That still doesn't answer why mads had one with ems and sasuke didn't. And if you say it's cause mads had hashis dna, the fight he used ps in was before he tyson'd hashi

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You gain nothing but eternal light. That's why it's called eternal mangekyo and not new powers mangekyo. It's not as special as people think it is.

 

[SenseiSama]

That still doesn't answer why mads had one with ems and sasuke didn't. And if you say it's cause mads had hashis dna, the fight he used ps in was before he tyson'd hashi

It was implied one of his abilities was to see through clones. And Mads is the first Uchiha with MS, maybe he just had Mangekyo's raw power but without any of the special abilities the later generations had.

I don't think so ,
Mangekyou + Rikudou chakra ==> PS
MS users without rikudou can't use PS ... Re-read my comment above .

Which is why it's a Mangekyo ability not an EMS ability, PS requires stronger chakra Uchiha don't have with their original eyes. When they get EMS the chakra potency is closer to the chakra Indra had.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

It was implied one of his abilities was to see through clones. And Mads is the first Uchiha with MS, maybe he just had Mangekyo's raw power but without any of the special abilities the later generations had.



Which is why it's a Mangekyo ability not an EMS ability, PS requires stronger chakra Uchiha don't have with their original eyes. When they get EMS the chakra potency is closer to the chakra Indra had.

This COULD be the case as madara was probably the first non ootsutsuki to awaken an ms. Honestly though after reading your stuff and mine I think we just found a kishi mistake to be honest

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Otherwise It really makes no sense for mads as a transmigrant to have a ps with just ems and sasuke as a transmigrant not have ps with just ems

 

[Holy God]

There either is no new technique (Itachi didn't know much about Madara anyways) or it's just Perfect Susano'o, which is highly unlikely since the only reason why no one gets to use it with a Mangekyou Sharingan is because they go blind before perfecting it. It's hard to determine when we don't even know Madara's own two Mangekyou techniques.

 

[Illuminater]

Didn't you read the manga? It just makes you more proficient with the mangekyo sharingan